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[Shin204]

shiftyeyed, on 21 February 2012 - 09:14 PM, said:

Just a note, it says the most likely have, not the do

They do, it was on the show 'future weapons" on history channel...the bald guy that show casses all the current/coming weapon systems.

[k9catforce]

http://en.wikipedia....ki/Chengdu_J-20

AHHHH!!!! SCARY!!!!

JUST KIDDING! let's see how this chinese ingenuity works out...

Current military morale:

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[colonelKORNFLAKES]

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[razielkaine]

F35 is the Jsf  Right? Please don't say cancell,  Raaf  have purchased billions of dollars of these to provide our air superiority in our region.   They didn't turn up un time for when we had to retire our awesome f111 fleet and then we had to spend millions on happy super corners as ridiculously useless stop gaps:-(  what are we going to use if its cancelled, will we get our money Back?

I have always been a fan of Russian ingenuity  from the cold war onwards and their latest stealth jets kick ass.

[sonza68]

F-35 was indeed the winner of the JSF competition.

[Ariecho]

Dunewarrior, on 17 February 2012 - 03:03 AM, said:

Personally, I think they still are 10 yrs behind in engines.
That said, I saw once a shovelful of dirt thrown into a Mig21 engine with no trouble... and I was like :0 Holy shit.

True!  Russian engine technology is still obsolete, but the Russian philosophy had always been to flood the battlefield with equipment (tanks, aircraft, etc...).  So, they didn't expect any airman to survive the 500-hours the engine was supposed to last anyway.

[Artemis87]

IMO, as long as i get air support while over seas i dont care what plane it is just glad for the support XD

[aPyro_]

Lol a SU-35BM is more agile than any American aircraft to date, guaranteed 100%

The simulation clearly shows American planes losing in visual range (circle fighting basically)combat. You can't argue against it trololol

[WulfeHound]

aPyro_, on 07 March 2012 - 04:14 AM, said:

Lol a SU-35BM is more agile than any American aircraft to date, guaranteed 100%

The simulation clearly shows American planes losing in visual range (circle fighting basically)combat. You can't argue against it trololol

It's a simulation. However, the Su-35BM is a 4++ generation fighter, as said by Sukhoi. The Raptor is Gen 5, has stealth, supermanuverability, etc. Also, can the Su-35BM have the nose pointed straight up, with 0 airspeed, and hover? The F-22 can and the pilot is in full control of the plane the entire time. Also, would you risk getting hypoxia or have a plane whose brakes failed on landing?

[WulfeHound]

Also, I would like to see proof for your claim that the Su-35 is more maneuverable than any American aircraft to date. (I can think of quite a few that could out-turn it. For example, the P-26 'Peashooter', P-38 Lightning, P-51D Mustang, P-47N Thunderbolt, P-80 Shooting Star, F-86 Sabre, F-94 Starfire, F3D Skynight, F9F Panther, F6F Hellcat, P-61 Black Widow, F8F Bearcat, F7F Tigercat, and basically anything built before 1960.)

[Pathblazer]

wulfhound, on 07 March 2012 - 10:36 PM, said:

Also, I would like to see proof for your claim that the Su-35 is more maneuverable than any American aircraft to date. (I can think of quite a few that could out-turn it. For example, the P-26 'Peashooter', P-38 Lightning, P-51D Mustang, P-47N Thunderbolt, P-80 Shooting Star, F-86 Sabre, F-94 Starfire, F3D Skynight, F9F Panther, F6F Hellcat, P-61 Black Widow, F8F Bearcat, F7F Tigercat, and basically anything built before 1960.)

^This.
AMERICA! **** YEAH!

[Elios0]

i think the F-22 is doomed for the most part i see the F-35 working out well but in 10 years expect unmanned front line fighters
and for all that "supermanuverability" the Russain fighters have goodluck in a dogfight with a drone what has +/-20g limits and can do 12+g turns all day no human can do that

[Ariecho]

wulfhound, on 07 March 2012 - 10:29 PM, said:

It's a simulation. However, the Su-35BM is a 4++ generation fighter, as said by Sukhoi. The Raptor is Gen 5, has stealth, supermanuverability, etc. Also, can the Su-35BM have the nose pointed straight up, with 0 airspeed, and hover? The F-22 can and the pilot is in full control of the plane the entire time. Also, would you risk getting hypoxia or have a plane whose brakes failed on landing?

Last time I checked, it was the F-22 that had problems with oxygen supply, if I'm not mistaken.

[WulfeHound]

Ariecho, on 15 April 2012 - 02:55 PM, said:

Last time I checked, it was the F-22 that had problems with oxygen supply, if I'm not mistaken.

That's why I said 'hypoxia or failing brakes'. Raptor pilots were inhaling CO instead of oxygen from the life-support systems. So, would you rather have a stealthy aircraft that can kill you due to O₂deprivation or a plane that will kill you when the brakes fail on a wet runway and you can't stop?

[Apocalypse73]

Jetfire13, on 15 December 2011 - 06:07 PM, said:

and it wouldnt have been possible if BAE systems didnt develop the Stealth plating/coating for the F-22 http://forum.worldof...fault/smile.gif

you have to remember that the coating was orginally developed for the Stealth bomber .. and A117 ... then the raptor i believe...

[Apocalypse73]

Elios0, on 12 April 2012 - 06:56 AM, said:

i think the F-22 is doomed for the most part i see the F-35 working out well but in 10 years expect unmanned front line fighters
and for all that "supermanuverability" the Russain fighters have goodluck in a dogfight with a drone what has +/-20g limits and can do 12+g turns all day no human can do that

what you mean 10 years .. lol we use them now .. while not a average size plane .. there are still attack drones .. that are used for counter evasion and for first strike targets.

[Elios0]

i see a blend of the two
think 2 F-22s and 4 drones 2 per maned plane

think out running a BVR missile sucks wait till some one trys to deal with a stealthy drone with a gun in it >.> or the drone can have smaller heat seakers in it
ether way a drone can make 12+ g turns all day and not care

[Crag_r]

razielkaine, on 28 February 2012 - 02:04 PM, said:

F35 is the Jsf  Right? Please don't say cancell,  Raaf  have purchased billions of dollars of these to provide our air superiority in our region.   They didn't turn up un time for when we had to retire our awesome f111 fleet and then we had to spend millions on happy super corners as ridiculously useless stop gaps:-(  what are we going to use if its cancelled, will we get our money Back?

I have always been a fan of Russian ingenuity  from the cold war onwards and their latest stealth jets kick ass.

No the F-35 program will not be cancelled (just a little late), the US Navy/Marines are looking at this program for a leading ground attack role for carrier ops into the future. And it is a primarily a ground attack Aircraft we have our F-18s (A and F versions) for Air supremacy in the region, both are not useless stop gaps but have been heavily upgraded from the original to still perform well into the future.

[Heh]

wulfhound, on 07 March 2012 - 10:29 PM, said:

It's a simulation. However, the Su-35BM is a 4++ generation fighter, as said by Sukhoi. The Raptor is Gen 5, has stealth, supermanuverability, etc. Also, can the Su-35BM have the nose pointed straight up, with 0 airspeed, and hover? The F-22 can and the pilot is in full control of the plane the entire time. Also, would you risk getting hypoxia or have a plane whose brakes failed on landing?

Actually, the SU-35BM also has supermaneuverability since the original SU-35 has it. And please, you're stating the Cobra tactic, something the SU-27 could do and that the Eagle could not. The reason the Raptor can outdo the SU-27 is the high stealth (50% radar visibility, although the F-19 completely owns it in that perspective with lower radar cross-section than a DUCK and the same heat level as the background. Good thing it's hopefully slower).

But yeah, the Raptor is a viable competitor to the SU-35 atm, since one has stealth, reliability and medium range missiles and being stupidly expensive to make while one has very long range missiles, faster sprints, while keeping the same maneuverability and a cheaper cost but also losing stealth and reliability.

[Crag_r]

Heh, on 19 June 2012 - 11:23 AM, said:

Actually, the SU-35BM also has supermaneuverability since the original SU-35 has it. And please, you're stating the Cobra tactic, something the SU-27 could do and that the Eagle could not. The reason the Raptor can outdo the SU-27 is the high stealth (50% radar visibility, although the F-19 completely owns it in that perspective with lower radar cross-section than a DUCK and the same heat level as the background. Good thing it's hopefully slower).

But yeah, the Raptor is a viable competitor to the SU-35 atm, since one has stealth, reliability and medium range missiles and being stupidly expensive to make while one has very long range missiles, faster sprints, while keeping the same maneuverability and a cheaper cost but also losing stealth and reliability.

Missile range has to do with the missiles armed, not the Airframe???