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Poll: The best aircraft nation in game (244 members have cast votes)

Which Nation will have best planes

  1. USA (74 votes [20.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.33%

  2. USSR (65 votes [17.86%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.86%

  3. Germany (111 votes [30.49%])

    Percentage of vote: 30.49%

  4. United Kingdom (41 votes [11.26%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.26%

  5. Japan (37 votes [10.16%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.16%

  6. France (8 votes [2.20%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.20%

  7. Italia (13 votes [3.57%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.57%

  8. some other country (15 votes [4.12%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.12%

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Sajber_Deka007 #1 Posted 21 November 2011 - 04:31 PM

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Which Nation will have the best aircraft in game?I would like that everyone write their thoughts.

My personal thought is that the USSR will have some good planes like IL-2 sturmikov,Lavochkin LA-5,MIG-3,MIG-15 etc


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shnbwmn #2 Posted 21 November 2011 - 05:41 PM

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I voted USSR ... historically, the Soviet Union's jet fighters were way ahead of their time.

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@Helskga #3 Posted 21 November 2011 - 06:40 PM

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View Postshnbwmn, on 21 November 2011 - 05:41 PM, said:

I voted USSR ... historically, the Soviet Union's jet fighters were way ahead of their time.
The Germans had stuff way ahead of their time too, like the Me262. They also had the Me262 HG2 and HG3 planned which would have both been brilliant aircraft.

My vote goes to Germany. :D

@TorMazila #4 Posted 22 November 2011 - 04:39 PM

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Actually there is such thing as in-game balance -e.g. look at WoT - at any given level you can match most of your opponents of the same level - maybe not in every situation. Like you don't have a chance on anything in a head-to head vs some US T32 sitting in a window with 300mm armor of its turret being the only thing you can hit. Each country in WoT has some strong and weak points - like US have rapid rate of fire, Germany has precision and thick armor, Russians have large calibers and armor that often bounces shells...

Soviet planes weren't that great and add wartime production quality/shortage of everything to that fact - and you may end up with not very pleasant picture. After all, famous soviet ace Pokryshkin was flying P-39. Both USSR and Germany had good propaganda - but it's not propaganda that was flying - that were real planes and real people, that had to deal with tactical operation instructions and model (like soviet fighters din't just fly "somewhere there to hunt anything down" but with missions like "cover bombers/ground attack planes"), had to deal with different ideological issues (e.g. if Hartmann was a soviet pilot - he'd likely visit Siberia after being downed and getting from the other side of the frontline w/o even a scratch, or at least NKVD will attempt that), had to deal with strengths and weaknesses of their and enemy planes... Not to mention the flight experience and historical backgrounds.

USSR had really vast space (Napoleon was among the ones who has tested it first :) ), very bad roads and a lot of manpower - plus socialistic economy model - where state could manipulate with every resource available, plus FEAR of NKVD and yourneighbour, who may report on you to NKVD all around the country. While in USA you had to buy government bonds for government to order planes&vehicles from commercial manufacturers (who could sell the same planes to Hitler, e.g.) - in USSR it was way simpler, almost like in some computer strategy game.

No, Il-2 won't save you if you're lame pilot. Maybe it'll just prolong the time between you fly out and hit the ground :).

Sgt_Bones #5 Posted 22 November 2011 - 05:19 PM

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My vote goes to...........every nation that gets added!

Why? Because this is a game, and if one nation gets "better" planes than the other, then something is wrong in the balance area.

Yes, all nations planes will have differences, but in the end each tier of planes should have a general balance, some will be very manuverable, some fast, some have hard hitting weapons etc etc ad infinitum, but dammit, if one nations planes ARE really better, then we all got problems coming at us, I can already hear "OP" this and "UP" that cries from this forum!

So for me, hopefully all the nations planes will be good, but we, the pilots, will make the difference in the end!

gromstar #6 Posted 23 November 2011 - 07:11 AM

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None because all of them produced good and bad planes.

spitfiremk21 #7 Posted 14 December 2011 - 01:01 PM

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You can't get much more ahead of thier time than the H0 229. My vote goes to Germany.

@Blue_Beta #8 Posted 15 December 2011 - 05:48 PM

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Germany and Italy will have the best tier from 1 to 7 (i think) then will be the american planes (the f84 and f86 are better than mig15 or me262)

@EvolGrinZ #9 Posted 15 December 2011 - 06:21 PM

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USSR planes will rule, because the developers are Russian too... :P

LOL, but seriously. ALL Nations will have strong planes and weak planes, just like the tanks in WoT.



Mowie #10 Posted 15 December 2011 - 08:47 PM

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View PostEvolGrinZ, on 15 December 2011 - 06:21 PM, said:

LOL, but seriously. ALL Nations will have strong planes and weak planes, just like the tanks in WoT.

This!

In real life it was the same as well. All nations produced excellent aircraft and also produced down right crap as well.

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xthetenth #11 Posted 15 December 2011 - 10:02 PM

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View Postspitfiremk21, on 14 December 2011 - 01:01 PM, said:

You can't get much more ahead of thier time than the H0 229. My vote goes to Germany.

Yeah, being about 40 years before the perfection of fly by wire made it possible to safely control a flying wing jet is really ahead of its time. I'd go for the US. Its prewar aircraft were okay, but as the war got going, the US aviation industry consistently delivered excellent planes in all categories.

dktank #12 Posted 18 December 2011 - 02:52 PM

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My vote goes to US, based on mid tiers. In my opinion they had some of the best piston engine fighters mid-end war (the F4U corsair, whole cat series, p-47, p-38), and will have enough of them to be loved.
In my opinion the various bf-109s, La-5s and such won't be too much of a competition for them.
Of course, in late tiers i can't argue against the better jet aircraft made by the Germans and the USSR.

Based on WoT's tier distribution, I think the USA will have the best aircraft in the popular tiers, and because of that be regarded as the best nation (although experienced players in high tiers may disagree).

DerJager #13 Posted 07 January 2012 - 08:12 PM

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Germany probably will (if they do things right). Really not much of a contest when the Germans had the 109K, the 262, and the Ta-152.
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View PostDerJager, on 07 January 2012 - 08:12 PM, said:

Germany probably will (if they do things right). Really not much of a contest when the Germans had the 109K, the 262, and the Ta-152.
The Ta-152 took how long to make work and even then they built it with the Rolls-Royce Nene. The HeS 011 wasn't going to work for a long time (in fact the Soviet Union never got it to work, that's why they turned to derivatives of the Nene as well), and all those lovely performance estimates depended on Germany being able to get a nice powerful new engine that was conceptually flawed (The Soviet Union reverse engineered the Nene how fast even though building something is much easier than reverse engineering it?). Even then it took about five years to get the thing's first flight with all the problems Tank and co. had. North American took less than a year from the flight of the FJ-1 Fury to fly a Sabre, and did as good a job in 1947 as Tank was able to in 1950. Even with Germany's backing, I don't see that design team suddenly shaving 60% of the development time off. It's almost all the same guys with the resources to eventually get it flown, and even then it was a terrible plane because the Germans didn't get some of the issues with swept wings in stalls that came up when tolerances were below a certain level, which the US could manage. Tip stall sucks horribly when it's asymmetric. That's one of the reasons for the wing fences on so many Soviet designs.

DerJager #15 Posted 08 January 2012 - 05:41 AM

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The Ta 152H-1 (the only production variant) was produced with the Jumo 213E engine, just so ya know  ;).

Oh and one more thing, the Ta-152 never had swept wings, or even used a jet engine. Why you brought up swept wings, and a bunch of post war stuff, god only knows. But fact remains that the Germans were ahead in both tank and aircraft design in WWII.

The 262 was far ahead of anything the allies had. Soviet jet fighters just used inefficent ram jets (an engine so primitve, its closer related to a rocket motor than an actual turbofan  :P ), and the allied jets were just a bit lack luster.
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xthetenth #16 Posted 08 January 2012 - 07:30 AM

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This is what happens when I post tired. Bleary eyes mean I read 152 and thought 183, I should've noticed that. Sorry. Those are all really good planes but the Allies generally had equivalents to them. The Germans were willing to press new designs into service sooner than the Allies, especially the US, and debug them in the field. The only one that was unequalled for a while was the Me 262 and the P-80 got out really really fast. But that's not the main issue.

If they do their jobs right, nobody will have the best aircraft, it'll all be equal. Why should a game that doesn't include the many difficulties Germany faced accurately portray its advantages? I'm utterly sick of talk like that from the WoT forums, so my thoughts on the subject may be colored somewhat, but don't you think that aircraft should be matched up as their capabilities indicate rather than trying to ape some of history and utterly ignoring other bits?

DerJager #17 Posted 08 January 2012 - 08:02 PM

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Actually, only the USA had a counter for the Ta-152, and nobody had a counter for the 262.

USA had the P-47. RU didn't have anything to match the 152 at alt, and all england had was the Spitfire Mk XIV, which is a closer match for the 109K.

The allied jets weren't upto par with the 262, by any strech of the imagination. 425mph is still almost 100mph slower than the 262.

And those advantages should be portrayed because those advantages are what makes the aircraft unique. If we want everything to be perfectly even, then there is less than no point to making more than one set of aircraft, and using contries. Only purpose it would serve is to give the haters fresh ammunition.
Kommando Nowotny, the first opperational jet squadron, the most notorious 262 squadron among allied pilots, and the origional Kommandos.

<S> Walter Nowotny, Hans-Joachim Marseille, Otto Kittel, and all the fallen aces of Germany.

DerJager #18 Posted 09 January 2012 - 02:03 AM

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Anyway, missed the second part of your second point.

I'm of the opinion that if a tank or aircraft is OP or UP for its tier, then its tier should be whats changed, not its stats. And if its OP in the previous tier, and UP  in the next tier, then find a different variant of the plane, and model that one.

None of this "hey look, my T-34/85 has a 100mm gun on it!" crap.
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xthetenth #19 Posted 09 January 2012 - 03:00 AM

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Yeah, I was working on the assumption that he was asking about the best aircraft ingame, IE for their tiers.

@Hohenstaufen #20 Posted 09 January 2012 - 09:43 AM

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Germany without a doubt. The Germans produced the most sophisticated and advanced airplanes across the board from low to high tiers. Bf109 and Fw190 are arguably the most potent fighters of WW2 with the british designes being the only able to match them. Germans were always one step further in terms of technology AND design.