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MARS_REVENANT #21 Posted 04 October 2022 - 03:17 AM

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View PostThe_real_Gouldy, on 03 October 2022 - 09:55 PM, said:

 

Only thing I'm upset about is our prime minister went bungee jumping with his kids.

The upsetting part was he survived.

 

Where were you between Jan 28 and Feb 7th?


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Ace_BOTlistic_Cosmo #22 Posted 04 October 2022 - 03:18 AM

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View PostTeamTerrence, on 03 October 2022 - 10:14 PM, said:

 

You are just jealous that i can turn around and admire something solid that i just dropped in the can

 

Something you haven't been able to do in decades

do you even know how to use soap?



Ace_BOTlistic_Cosmo #23 Posted 04 October 2022 - 03:18 AM

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View PostMARS_REVENANT, on 03 October 2022 - 10:17 PM, said:

 

Were were you between Jan 28 and Feb 7th?

here's an H

 

Edited by MARS_REVENANT, Today, 10:28 PM.

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Edited by Ace_BOTlistic_Cosmo, 04 October 2022 - 03:31 AM.


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View PostAce_BOTlistic_Cosmo, on 03 October 2022 - 10:18 PM, said:

here's an H

 

I already got one

 


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The_real_Gouldy #25 Posted 04 October 2022 - 03:32 AM

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View PostMARS_REVENANT, on 03 October 2022 - 11:17 PM, said:

 

Where were you between Jan 28 and Feb 7th?

 

I don't answer questions.



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View PostAce_BOTlistic_Cosmo, on 03 October 2022 - 10:18 PM, said:

do you even know how to use soap?

 



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View PostThe_real_Gouldy, on 03 October 2022 - 05:35 PM, said:

 

You are mistaken sir.

 

It's funny that you think this what's happening. 


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The_real_Gouldy #28 Posted 04 October 2022 - 04:51 AM

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View PostCorvusCorvax, on 04 October 2022 - 12:16 AM, said:

It's funny that you think this what's happening. 

 

What's really funny is you can't help yourself.



jack_wdw #29 Posted 04 October 2022 - 09:28 AM

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influx of players doesn't mean MM will start behaving better.
At EU, recently there has been a great influx of humans, due to CIS-transfers.

MM seems now even more off the hook than before.
The matchups can be more crazy than ever.
It seems as MM is just dividing humans per side, without even taking notice of plane class. (already knew that skill and specialization were no valid mm-parameters)
It can now generate matchups of 3 human bombers vs 3 human multiroles...
 
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View PostThe_real_Gouldy, on 03 October 2022 - 08:51 PM, said:

 

What's really funny is you can't help yourself.

Your shortcomings have nothing to do with me.


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GonerNL #31 Posted 04 October 2022 - 02:59 PM

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Skill-based MM is asking for the impossible ; they can not  even have MM do plane-type matchmaking. Only PvE and PvP ...

For MM a GA equals a bomber, so you can end up in a battle with 2 or 3 human bombers on one team and 3 GA bots on the other. Defeat guaranteed. 

Some for fighters ; 3 heavies on one team and 3 multiroles/lights on the other. Waste of time to even start.

Or a combination ; one team with bombers AND heavies and the other team GA/lights. You can not even take out the bombers.


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View PostGonerNL, on 04 October 2022 - 09:59 AM, said:

Skill-based MM is asking for the impossible ; they can not  even have MM do plane-type matchmaking. Only PvE and PvP ...

For MM a GA equals a bomber, so you can end up in a battle with 2 or 3 human bombers on one team and 3 GA bots on the other. Defeat guaranteed. 

Some for fighters ; 3 heavies on one team and 3 multiroles/lights on the other. Waste of time to even start.

Or a combination ; one team with bombers AND heavies and the other team GA/lights. You can not even take out the bombers.

You do realize that if the map has an Airbase with a wrench, you can cap it and change to any plane in that tier level. :ohmy:

So, if you feel you're at a definite disadvantage, you along with any number of your team members can switch things around to even things out

You might even consider switching planes to put the advantage back in your favor...:great:

Spend a little less time blaming the MM  and and spend that time learning & understanding the game along with some of its simple rules. :honoring:


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View PostGonerNL, on 04 October 2022 - 06:59 AM, said:

Skill-based MM is asking for the impossible ; they can not  even have MM do plane-type matchmaking. Only PvE and PvP ...

For MM a GA equals a bomber, so you can end up in a battle with 2 or 3 human bombers on one team and 3 GA bots on the other. Defeat guaranteed. 

Some for fighters ; 3 heavies on one team and 3 multiroles/lights on the other. Waste of time to even start.

Or a combination ; one team with bombers AND heavies and the other team GA/lights. You can not even take out the bombers.

When the goal is to get the most amount of humans in the least amount of time, you're going to get some stupid results.  With no account for specialization, or time in game, you get battles where you get SpiritFox, 12_inch_hawk and I in the battle on the same side, with predictable results.  Each of the three of us score less than 9000 PP, and the battle is over in 5-6 minutes.

 

Not even worth the effort.


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Panoptic #34 Posted 04 October 2022 - 04:30 PM

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MM is fine. Leave it alone.

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View Postcobra_marksman, on 03 October 2022 - 05:35 PM, said:

The game in itself due to its complexity, now sends players in all different directions chasing missions along with trying to complete weekly & monthly events.

There were times thru my own ignorance, i would blame.... the MM, -- the players, -- the Bots -- & then, maybe the game itself. :hiding:

Only to come to the conclusion, that it was really ..."   none of the above ". :facepalm:

They at times try to fill everyone's expectations in one simple flying game, and most of the time it works.

With the introduction of Bots & Events you no longer can think of this game in terms of " win & losses " 

In case you missed it, they did modify the Daily missions & removed most of the " Must win requirements "

Even the events are not tied to the must win also, as to allow players to accomplish them without putting pressure on the players, or the game,... to complete them.

So, if you are locked on a " Must Win " scenario for all battles, grab a wingman so that you Both know what you are exactly looking to accomplish. :great:

Try enjoying the game for what it was intended to accomplish.......... Fun & Enjoyment:) :teethhappy: :D

 

View PostPanoptic, on 04 October 2022 - 04:30 PM, said:

MM is fine. Leave it alone.

These in my opinion are the best 2 responses to this topic.Respect gentlemen :honoring:



Ace_BOTlistic_Cosmo #36 Posted 05 October 2022 - 12:06 AM

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View PostPanoptic, on 04 October 2022 - 11:30 AM, said:

MM is fine. Leave it alone.

lol, let's not rune it fer the 40 marksmen

:facepalm:

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tbph, the road we're on leads to a swamp

the game we are playing will be dead

as long as we keep racing down this path

this game sucks

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it's not fun

 



khorender_1 #37 Posted 05 October 2022 - 02:29 PM

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View PostItsSubmersible, on 04 October 2022 - 02:16 AM, said:

WOW's is testing cross server MM in next release. If it works out maybe wowp can borrow some of the tech.

When it comes to NA maybe all of their titles will be like that, low pop for their NA communities.



Panoptic #38 Posted 05 October 2022 - 02:45 PM

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View PostAce_BOTlistic_Cosmo, on 04 October 2022 - 05:06 PM, said:

lol, let's not rune it fer the 40 marksmen

:facepalm:

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tbph, the road we're on leads to a swamp

the game we are playing will be dead

as long as we keep racing down this path

this game sucks

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it's not fun

 


I don’t disagree that the game can use some help.

 

Eliminating random MM is not it. By definition that would introduce biases in MM.

 

Why would anyone want a biased MM?

 

I can see that if a player totally sucks at the game and believes he or she deserves free wins for clicking the battle button.


I won’t support any company that operates that way and applaud WG for not watering down their games by handing out participation medals.

 

What might help is capital investment in the game by advertising, graphics upgrade, tech tree expansion etc. but that is entirely up to WG.



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View PostPanoptic, on 05 October 2022 - 02:45 PM, said:


... he or she deserves free wins for clicking the battle button.

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So I learned on this forum not to get upset with the MM.


But a better MM would not equate to free wins in my opinion, there would still be deserved defeats, only the unfair team lineup right at the start of the game would decrease.



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They are working on the Matchmaker according to this message on EU Forum today

 


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