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Buddha_13 #1 Posted 07 September 2022 - 03:57 AM

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Power outage all day in San Jose, California today, till now.  109 degrees!  No internet, no wifi, no A/C, no microwave, but I still had cold beer from fridge.

Sometimes we don't realize how much we're into this game until we can't access it, for better or worse.



Anciano7 #2 Posted 07 September 2022 - 09:21 AM

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south florida is not to far behind you.the humidity is unbearable

Flushmaster #3 Posted 07 September 2022 - 10:41 AM

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You could always look into moving away from an overpopulated desert with an inadequate power grid and tendency to catch fire. 

RoIand #4 Posted 07 September 2022 - 11:01 AM

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I am not familiar with California or Florida.
However, here in Germany the small rivers have also dried up and the large navigable rivers can hardly be navigated because of low water. The lakes, which are often used to supply us with drinking water, are also emptier than ever.
For some years now, we have also suddenly experienced tornadoes, which we used to know only from television. Our many forests are suddenly so dry that they are on fire, and we haven't even bought firefighting planes yet - we have to borrow them from others at the moment. 
 
It is therefore a global problem, and national solutions will only be of very limited help.
Do we really want to discuss the global climate crisis here in this forum?
 
One of your ex-presidents talked away the climate crisis and just said that if there really was global warming, there would be more land available with beach access.
I have no idea how he came up with that because another aspect of global warming is rising sea levels because the polar ice caps are melting.

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Flushmaster #5 Posted 07 September 2022 - 12:03 PM

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California is the third largest US state by area and is a "tall" shape occuppying the southern half (and then some) of the west coast but it also stretches inland a fair bit. The southern parts are largely either actual desert or generally arid to semi-arid, meaning it doesn't generally get a lot of rainfall most of the time. California, particularly the central to southern coastal area, is extremely densely populated. Water that would naturally disperse to the land as it flows down from the mountains and higher elevations that get more rain to reservoirs serving either those huge cities or to irrigate farms in near desert conditions. Climate change is definitely a major contributing factor to the wildfires that burn down large portions of the state on a yearly basis with such regularity that most news programs include them with the weather report, but tens of millions of people sucking up all the already relatively scarce water in the entire region just makes the problem worse. 

 

Then you have the seasonal "rolling blackouts" where they just shut off power to different areas in sequence because the power grid isn't up to the task of running air conditioners for tens of millions of people living in the desert. These triage blackouts have been common enough to regularly get talked about on national news since at least the late 90s when I became old enough to actually feel like paying attention to the national news on occasion. So after at least twenty five years they still haven't improved their power generating capacity to meet demand for the tens of millions of idiots that think it's a great idea to live in a desert that gets extremely hot and catches fire every single summer. 



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View PostFlushmaster, on 07 September 2022 - 01:03 PM, said:

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Great - that I can still learn something about America here on the forum. Thx :great:
 
Here in Germany our electricity infrastructure is pretty good, but electricity is getting incredibly expensive as of now, thanks to the war in Ukraine.
(Thanks to our previous governments for making us so dependent on the insane Putin). :angry:
 
We also have air conditioners so far, mainly in offices, hotels, airports and supermarkets. In private buildings, they have only been a luxury to be saved. That will probably change in the future. Instead, we have proper central heating in every house, which probably won't be used as much in the future.

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Conversely, Florida is the peninsula on the southeast corner of the continental US and also gets a lot of heat but rarely has issues with lack of moisture. Their biggest weather concerns tend to be the opposite, mainly hurricanes blowing through causing wind and flood damage as much of the state is low lying (prone to floods) and flat (no big natural wind breaks like mountains or even big hills). Florida is also a big tourism destination, known as the home of Walt Disney World and several other large theme parks as well as beaches, swamps full of alligators and snakes, and crazy people doing really weird stuff. The latter part is largely due to frequent headlines like "Florida Man Caught After Attempting to Outrun Police On Lawnmower,"  "Florida Man Who Won $2 Million Credits His Pregnant Sausage Dog" and "Hatchet Wielding Florida Man Shoots Landlord In the Face." There's a popular joke that, because of how such headlines are formatted, Florida Man is a single person who is, depending on who you ask, some kind of superhero on drugs, a humanoid cryptid (like Bigfoot but with less hair), or something in between.

 

Edit: Those are all real headlines that I got from a quick search, specifically all from the special section of Newsweek's (major US news magazine) website dedicated to Florida Man.


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View PostFlushmaster, on 07 September 2022 - 05:08 AM, said:

Conversely, Florida is the peninsula on the southeast corner of the continental US and also gets a lot of heat but rarely has issues with lack of moisture. Their biggest weather concerns tend to be the opposite, mainly hurricanes blowing through causing wind and flood damage as much of the state is low lying (prone to floods) and flat (no big natural wind breaks like mountains or even big hills). Florida is also a big tourism destination, known as the home of Walt Disney World and several other large theme parks as well as beaches, swamps full of alligators and snakes, and crazy people doing really weird stuff. The latter part is largely due to frequent headlines like "Florida Man Caught After Attempting to Outrun Police On Lawnmower,"  "Florida Man Who Won $2 Million Credits His Pregnant Sausage Dog" and "Hatchet Wielding Florida Man Shoots Landlord In the Face." There's a popular joke that, because of how such headlines are formatted, Florida Man is a single person who is, depending on who you ask, some kind of superhero on drugs, a humanoid cryptid (like Bigfoot but with less hair), or something in between.

 

Edit: Those are all real headlines that I got from a quick search, specifically all from the special section of Newsweek's (major US news magazine) website dedicated to Florida Man.

When the sea level does eventually rise, Florida will be the one state that will take the brunt of it.  IIRC, there is no part of the state over 200ft above MSL, and most all of the population lives on land below 30' above MSL.

If you take a look at what's happening to the Thwaites glacier in Antarctica, and the glacial melt in Greenland, if you want to vacation to Florida to see the beaches, or want to go to the Keys, now is the time.

For Roland, what's going on might be worse than hot summers.  If the Atlantic conveyor belt that funnels warm, southern ocean water up to the North Sea slows down or stops, nobody will need air conditioning.  The climate will resemble something more akin to Siberia in N. Germany, and something a lot like Greenland is now for the British Isles.  On the plus side, Baltic beaches will not be nearly as crowded.


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RoIand #9 Posted 07 September 2022 - 04:10 PM

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Well - in fact, there are several computer simulations by leading scientists. I am not able to decide which one is more probable.
I only know that at the World Climate Conference there is always only talk and at most a declaration of intent comes out of it.
But nothing happens, because each state has only its own island of economy in focus and no one wants to pull together to adopt something sustainable and preventive. :izmena:



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View PostRoIand, on 07 September 2022 - 08:10 AM, said:

Well - in fact, there are several computer simulations by leading scientists. I am not able to decide which one is more probable.
I only know that at the World Climate Conference there is always only talk and at most a declaration of intent comes out of it.
But nothing happens, because each state has only its own island of economy in focus and no one wants to pull together to adopt something sustainable and preventive. :izmena:

It will probably require the carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere to get to toxic levels before people actually decide to do something.about it.  AIUI, 1000ppm (1%) concentration in the atmosphere, while not acutely toxic, can lead people to have lower cognitive abilities.  IOW, people will get dumber.  That in and of itself is frightening, considering how dumb people are right now.

Maybe it's actually a good thing that Putin turned off Nordstream, right?  If W. Europe can learn to live without Russian natural gas, maybe there's hope that the carbon output will be slowed somewhat.

 


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poppavein #11 Posted 07 September 2022 - 10:43 PM

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Quite frankly, Roland, it is idiotic of your people to shut down nuclear reactors, especially when you are dependent on the Russians for energy.  You are going backwards, now there is a shortage of firewood in Europe.

 

I'll believe global warming is a crisis after the people that tell me that I need to cut back on fossil fuels stop flying all over in private planes and traveling in huge yachts, and stop buying beachfront property.  And when they get serious about nuclear energy as a replacement for fossil fuels.  The same people are mandating electric vehicles and they don't have the infrastructure to support it.

 


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View PostBuddha_13, on 07 September 2022 - 03:57 AM, said:

Power outage all day in San Jose, California today, till now.  109 degrees!  No internet, no wifi, no A/C, no microwave, but I still had cold beer from fridge.

Sometimes we don't realize how much we're into this game until we can't access it, for better or worse.

 

All over a self-imposed energy shortage.  The, "leadership", in California, (and in many countries around the world), boggles the mind.


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View PostRoIand, on 07 September 2022 - 04:10 PM, said:

Well - in fact, there are several computer simulations by leading scientists. I am not able to decide which one is more probable.
I only know that at the World Climate Conference there is always only talk and at most a declaration of intent comes out of it.
But nothing happens, because each state has only its own island of economy in focus and no one wants to pull together to adopt something sustainable and preventive. :izmena:

 

97% of scientists agree with whomever is funding them.

 

When we want to know the truth, follow the money.

 

"This climate change thing is the worst thing that's happened to science and the enlightenment since Galileo"! - Patrick Moore, PhD and co-founder of Greenpeace. What does the PhD co-founder of Greenpeace, Patrick Moore, have to say about the climate change hysteria? It's a complete hoax!

 

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https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/patrick-moore-climate-doubter/

 

 

In 2004, Wired Magazine described Moore’s shift away from Greenpeace in more cynical terms:

 

In 1986, the PhD ecologist abruptly turned his back on the environmental movement. He didn’t just retire; he joined the other side. Today, he’s a mouthpiece for some of the very interests Greenpeace was founded to counter, notably the timber and plastics industries. He argues that the Amazon rainforest is doing fine, that the Three Gorges Dam is the smartest thing China could do for its energy supply, and that opposition to genetically modified foods is tantamount to mass murder.

 

Moore is now or has been paid by several entities or causes that Greenpeace now opposes. According to the climate media blog DeSmog:

 

After he left Greenpeace, Moore began work with the Nuclear Energy Institute front group, the Clean and Safe Energy Coalition (CASEnergy). Moore stepped down from his leadership role at CASEnergy in January 2013, however [he said that he] would remain an active member.

 

Moore has worked for the mining industry, the logging industry, PVC manufacturers, the nuclear industry, and in defense of biotechnology. In October 2008, Greenpeace issued a statement distancing itself from Moore, saying he “exploits long gone ties with Greenpeace to sell himself as a speaker and pro-corporate spokesperson, usually taking positions that Greenpeace opposes.”

 

Moore has been criticized for his relations with “polluters and clear-cutters” through his consultancy. His primary income since the early 1990s has [come from] consulting and publicly speaking for a variety of corporations and lobby groups such as the Nuclear Energy Institute. As of 2014, Moore was also listed as a board member of NextEnergy, a Canadian energy services company.

 

 

In one notable media appearance, he defended the safety of glyphosate, a weed killer, by saying he could drink a quart of the product straight with no problem. When challenged to do so by the interviewer, he changed course, saying he wouldn’t because he’s “not an idiot” before abruptly ending the interview:

 

 

Moore has also long been associated with a cadre of academics who consider themselves climate skeptics. In 2015 he was a speaker at a Texas Public Policy Foundation conference that included sessions like “CO2 is the Gas of Life”, echoing the statements Moore made on “Fox and Friends” in 2019.

 

As Moore states, it is true that CO2 is a crucial building block of life that provides the raw material for plants to grow. This, in turn, provides animals with food and oxygen. However, such an observation, which you can find described in any middle-school science textbook, does not infringe upon the fundamental, physical truth that higher concentrations of CO2 in the atmosphere will warm the planet. Moore’s anti-climate-change statement on “Fox and Friends” is a bad-faith argument, and attributing such statements to a “Greenpeace co-founder” is factually inaccurate.

 

 



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View Postpoppavein, on 07 September 2022 - 11:43 PM, said:

Quite frankly, Roland, it is idiotic of your people to shut down nuclear reactors, especially when you are dependent on the Russians for energy.  You are going backwards, now there is a shortage of firewood in Europe.

 

I'll believe global warming is a crisis after the people that tell me that I need to cut back on fossil fuels stop flying all over in private planes and traveling in huge yachts, and stop buying beachfront property.  And when they get serious about nuclear energy as a replacement for fossil fuels.  The same people are mandating electric vehicles and they don't have the infrastructure to support it.

 

From today's perspective, it was certainly extremely foolish to fall back on fossil fuel energy generation and shut down our modern nuclear power plants.
Since we no longer have our own fossil fuels, we had to buy them from others.
In a free market economy, the cheapest supplier is then always chosen. 
Who could have guessed then that after almost 80 years of peace in Europe, this Putin would start another war in 2022?

The decision to abandon nuclear power did not come about by chance. In Chernobyl and Fukushima, we saw how dangerous it can be when something does not go as planned with nuclear power.
Chernobyl was kept largely secret and only came to the public's attention much later, but Fukushima was immediately given full coverage in the free world.

This led to a panic spreading among our population after Fukushima that something like this could also happen in our densely populated country. The opponents of nuclear power in society got the upper hand and politicians always decide in such a way that they will be re-elected at the next election.
Consequently, our modern nuclear power plants were gradually taken off the grid. This also saved further thought about a concept for safe nuclear waste disposal. 

We are currently experiencing a similar political turnaround in armaments policy. Until this year, everything was geared exclusively toward disarmament. Now, for a given reason, billions and billions are suddenly being invested in armament again in the Western world. 

Nothing is just black and white, everything has a global context in our time and one must always take into account the respective political general weather situation. 



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"context"

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Roland, excellent post.



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View PostWhistling_Death_, on 07 September 2022 - 09:50 PM, said:

 

97% of scientists agree with whomever is funding them.

 

 

 

This is nothing but a lie.

Anyone who knows anything about grant funding knows that major academic granting is a process that is exactly 180 degrees opposite of this.  In fact, you don't get funding if you can't support your hypothesis with SOMETHING other than your opinion.  And that "something" has to be hard data, and hard data, when looked at carefully, won't crumble.

"Follow the money" assumes some intent.  Without proof of intent, is nothing more than disinformation, propaganda, or just plain lies.  So far, I have never seen a single piece of evidence of intent from granting agencies to push some agenda, let alone proof.  The circular reasoning of "they are all in on it" isn't proof or evidence.

All anyone has to do to prove this to themselves is actually look up what is required to fund a grant request.  I have actually gone through the process, so whenever this kind of stuff comes up, I always laugh at how gullible some folks are.


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I like how they tell you to go solar but if you don't have a backup battery or generator they turn off the panels if the grid goes down instead of letting you install a switch that disconnects you from grid until it comes back up.

The power companies say its a safety measure but you can have the switch with a generator or battery.



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View PostBluegoose02, on 08 September 2022 - 09:13 AM, said:

I like how they tell you to go solar but if you don't have a backup battery or generator they turn off the panels if the grid goes down instead of letting you install a switch that disconnects you from grid until it comes back up.

The power companies say its a safety measure but you can have the switch with a generator or battery.

That's pretty weird.


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View PostCorvusCorvax, on 08 September 2022 - 09:02 AM, said:

<...> I always laugh at how gullible some folks are.

 

You're dealing with someone who strafes mining plants in a Boomerang while ignoring every airplane in the game. Gullible doesn't even begin to describe it.






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