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ItsSubmersible #21 Posted 11 January 2022 - 04:39 PM

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Forgot all about the 5 stages of learning WOWP!  Looks like I'm still plodding along at stage 2. Practice,Practice,Practice. No shortcuts for experience.



1973_Z1 #22 Posted 11 January 2022 - 05:41 PM

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View PostDru83, on 11 January 2022 - 03:43 AM, said:

 

PS I love reading books and the more details you give and the more questions you ask, the more we can help you. Breaking it up into paragraphs definitely helps though.

 

Thank you for this, very good information for us less experienced participants. Thanks to the rest of you too.



1973_Z1 #23 Posted 11 January 2022 - 07:25 PM

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And since I have fighters this means I should go to the most important target first and concentrate on downing defensive fighters since I can't so much ground damage? After the first target is taken head directly to the next most important target and destroy defensive planes and ground attack bombers until we have control? Should I ever go after the high flying bombers or leave them to the planes made to go after them? I was having some fun lately going up after them and shooting rockets at them. I did get a defensive fighter with a rocket, it made me chuckle.

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View Post1973_Z1, on 11 January 2022 - 02:25 PM, said:

And since I have fighters this means I should go to the most important target first and concentrate on downing defensive fighters since I can't so much ground damage? After the first target is taken head directly to the next most important target and destroy defensive planes and ground attack bombers until we have control? Should I ever go after the high flying bombers or leave them to the planes made to go after them? I was having some fun lately going up after them and shooting rockets at them. I did get a defensive fighter with a rocket, it made me chuckle.

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View Post1973_Z1, on 11 January 2022 - 07:25 PM, said:

And since I have fighters this means I should go to the most important target first and concentrate on downing defensive fighters since I can't so much ground damage? After the first target is taken head directly to the next most important target and destroy defensive planes and ground attack bombers until we have control? Should I ever go after the high flying bombers or leave them to the planes made to go after them? I was having some fun lately going up after them and shooting rockets at them. I did get a defensive fighter with a rocket, it made me chuckle.

Going after high flying bombers is a risky thing. It takes time to get up there, you won't be as fast or maneuverable up there, and you'll be out of boost from climbing up there. A nearby enemy heavy could easily make short work of you, and you might even be too slow at that altitude to catch a bomber. However, sometimes you're the only one around who can defend against the enemy bombers. Bot bombers usually fly at altitudes low enough that you'll have a decent shot at them. Bot bomber patterns are predictable and you can often intercept them just after they turn to re-enter a cap for a second bomb run. Most human bomber pilots will either be so high that you don't stand a chance or will be racing through the cap at top speed so you only get a short, limited chance to attack them. Many times, it's a better idea to go flip the cap next door than to try to stop the enemy bombers. The one time I do like to go after enemy bombers is when the cap is still neutral. Sometimes the bot bombers will be un-escorted, or fly ahead of their escort and you can kill them to flip the cap. This is especially something a heavy pilot or maybe a high altitude light fighter pilot (mustang, 109, Mig-3) will do when the enemy has a mine close to their base.



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killing bombers is a job for heavies.  Light fighters *generally* aren't suited to the task, and probably have something better to be doing towards winning the game.

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View Postqu33kKC, on 13 January 2022 - 09:13 PM, said:

killing bombers is a job for heavies.  Light fighters *generally* aren't suited to the task, and probably have something better to be doing towards winning the game.

The truth.

 

Yes, some light fighters can be pressed into that duty, but it's not ideal.  One LF that is suited to bomber-killing is the Ta-183.  But I would consider that the exception, and not the rule.



1973_Z1 #28 Posted 17 January 2022 - 09:12 AM

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I have a few more rookie questions. What happens to all the stuff that gets picked up off the battle field when your team wins? What are you supposed to do with all the stuff that gets accumulated while playing? I have never figured out what I actually have and what it's good for. How do you know which target is best to attack and capture first? Also I have been flying the game more like you fellows suggested. I fly to the target that I first see defensive aircraft appearing and shoot my rockets at all the ground targets I can and then start shooting down defenders. After the target is captured I fly to the next and try to help capture it. Of course there is lots of red planes there by then and it's time to dogfight. If we get the air cleared I look to see which sector needs help and fly there. It seems that the blue teams I am on have been winning more when I fly this way but my personal score doesn't seem to get as high as when I fly like a rouge zipperhead and the team loses. I've been scoring in the top 3 more and at least getting the single chevron. I do have 5 rocket kills so I am a rocket ace, which means nothing but it was fun! I have right at 1000 kills so I think I'm doing ok with basic flying so now I have to keep working on learning more and flying smarter teamwise. I'm still doing all my flying without using any team communication or radar changes or wingmen or anything so this is a disadvantage, because if I take my eyes off the windshield and start trying to punch keyboard buttons I get blasted. I do need to work on this. Seven kills in a battle is the best dogfighting score I think I've had in tier VII and VIII but I still have trouble scoring more than 5 or 6 thousand points. I'm having a pretty good time getting shot down by you guys and I have only quit one battle early because my cat knocked over some things in the kitchen and I had to go see what was up. I have stayed to the end in battles that my team scored nothing but I don't see any reason to bail out early. Oh, and seeing as how none of you is my grammar teacher, live with it. :-)

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View Post1973_Z1, on 17 January 2022 - 10:12 AM, said:

... Oh, and seeing as how none of you is my grammar teacher, live with it. :-)

What is your mother tongue?


I have no idea about this game and just shoot down as many red and white planes as possible.


1973_Z1 #30 Posted 17 January 2022 - 10:38 AM

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Biped.

Edited by 1973_Z1, 17 January 2022 - 10:39 AM.


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@Z1:  the materials are used up during Improvement and Calibration of your equipment.  This is generally only worth doing once the plane in question is Specialized.  Until then, just save it up, you'll likely need it at some point.

 

Most important sectors to capture do depend somewhat on what sort of plane you're flying*.  Mining Plants give the most points, Military (missile) bases have the most impact on capturing other sectors, followed by Command Centers.  Airfields help shorten the distance to the action by allowing respawns there.  Garrisons are probably the least important, but better a sector captured than fiddling around with one you can't flip.  There are some good basic information on these topics on the website, and some comprehensive analysis on the forums, if you dig deep enough.

 

*edit*  A Light Fighter can't do anything about a Plant unless there are enemy planes there, for example, and a bomber can't capture a Forward Airfield alone, as there aren't enough capture points available in ground targets.  Size of map, number of sectors and what type of plane will all factor into the "best" place to go.  Experience will help out.


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View Post1973_Z1, on 17 January 2022 - 04:12 AM, said:

Also I have been flying the game more like you fellows suggested
Seven kills in a battle is the best dogfighting score I think I've had in tier VII and VIII but I still have trouble scoring more than 5 or 6 thousand points.

 


Edited by 12_inch_Hawk, 17 January 2022 - 08:01 PM.


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No you haven't.  The first piece of advice you were given was to play low tier.  You were given that advice by multiple people.  Playing a tier beyond your ability is how you make people mad.  Not listening is how you make people mad.  You should not be in tier 7 and 8.  When I saw you in battle, I felt bad for the guy trying to play his tier 8 against me and my wing man.  He ended up with you on his team in your tier 7 F4U corsair with no equipment and no pilot skills.  You have been told so you should know better.  At this point you are just griefing people on your team intentionally.

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I don't know what griefing means. What I meant by playing more like suggested is instead of just flying around and shooting at other planes I'm trying to capture and defend. 

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View Post12_inch_Hawk, on 17 January 2022 - 08:12 PM, said:

No you haven't.  The first piece of advice you were given was to play low tier.  You were given that advice by multiple people.  Playing a tier beyond your ability is how you make people mad.  Not listening is how you make people mad.  You should not be in tier 7 and 8.  When I saw you in battle, I felt bad for the guy trying to play his tier 8 against me and my wing man.  He ended up with you on his team in your tier 7 F4U corsair with no equipment and no pilot skills.  You have been told so you should know better.  At this point you are just griefing people on your team intentionally.

 

You know, I came here to fly planes and have some fun and I asked for a little advice. I'm sure it takes a while to figure out all the cool stuff available to use in battle and I'm sure you know them all. I'm changing the way I fly and if it's not fast enough for you that's too bad, I don't need to be scolded like a little kid by you. It's been said before that this is a game, nothing more and if you get this excited by others playing "your" game than you might need some kind of help. I'm still going to fly to have fun and I will get better and if I don't, so what. I'm a 65 year old retired guy and I have lot's of enjoyable things to do besides this game so I won't ever get as serious about it as some. I put some cash into this game and I think this game belongs to all of us, whatever our skill level. I've read a lot of posts just for fun and I think you come out as a little dickens, to put it nicely. 



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View Post1973_Z1, on 17 January 2022 - 05:00 PM, said:

 

You know, I came here to fly planes and have some fun and I asked for a little advice. I'm sure it takes a while to figure out all the cool stuff available to use in battle and I'm sure you know them all. I'm changing the way I fly and if it's not fast enough for you that's too bad, I don't need to be scolded like a little kid by you. It's been said before that this is a game, nothing more and if you get this excited by others playing "your" game than you might need some kind of help. I'm still going to fly to have fun and I will get better and if I don't, so what. I'm a 65 year old retired guy and I have lot's of enjoyable things to do besides this game so I won't ever get as serious about it as some. I put some cash into this game and I think this game belongs to all of us, whatever our skill level. I've read a lot of posts just for fun and I think you come out as a little dickens, to put it nicely. 

That is where you are wrong.  It has nothing to do with how fast you learn.  Take your time, learn at your own pace.  I don't expect you to learn it all at once because there is a lot to learn.  That is the whole reason people told you to play low tier so you could learn.  You aren't learning anything by playing high tier.  If you aren't going to take the advice you are given there is no point giving it in the first place.

 

 



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View Post1973_Z1, on 17 January 2022 - 10:00 PM, said:

 

You know, I came here to fly planes and have some fun and I asked for a little advice. I'm sure it takes a while to figure out all the cool stuff available to use in battle and I'm sure you know them all. I'm changing the way I fly and if it's not fast enough for you that's too bad, I don't need to be scolded like a little kid by you. It's been said before that this is a game, nothing more and if you get this excited by others playing "your" game than you might need some kind of help. I'm still going to fly to have fun and I will get better and if I don't, so what. I'm a 65 year old retired guy and I have lot's of enjoyable things to do besides this game so I won't ever get as serious about it as some. I put some cash into this game and I think this game belongs to all of us, whatever our skill level. I've read a lot of posts just for fun and I think you come out as a little dickens, to put it nicely. 

You mean, sort of a 4.5_inch_hawk?

 

LOL, sometimes.

 

But he's not wrong, in this case.  One of the biggest mistakes that newbs make is climbing the tiers too fast.  You get in over you head, and you're a detriment to your team.  

 

By all means, have fun.  But remember that there are others playing who are also trying to have fun, and your fun shouldn't be at their expense.

 

Of course, it could well be that you dont give a crap about anyone but yourself.  That's fair,  just give folks a heads up.  Then they can take appropriate action for their own fun, right?

 

And yes, reading a long wall of text is tiresome.  You'll get less helpful responses if you dont consider your audience.  Again, totally your call.  Don't be too surprised if folks just skip on by your posts because of it.



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View Post12_inch_Hawk, on 17 January 2022 - 04:22 PM, said:

 It has nothing to do with how fast you learn.  Take your time, learn at your own pace.  I don't expect you to learn it all at once because there is a lot to learn.  

 

That. Hawk can come across a little harsh, but he is just straight forward.

 

There is a learning curve to this 3D game, and it has to do with more than factual knowledge.  THIS game's learning, more importantly, comes with flying, flying, flying, and developing a muscle memory and a brain reaction memory that only comes with MANY battles. You think, "I will try this tactic this time," and come away with a loss because nothing here works every time. You have to keep at it. What you must do is apply what you learn here, what you learn as you fly, and put it to use over and over again.  At some point you will say, "AAAaaaahhhh! I get it now!!"  You will have a little swagger to your flying, and then get just HOSED again. Heh.  Just laugh and get at it again.

 

You came here asking questions and that is GREAT, you are on the right track.  Just be patient with yourself and you will do better and better.  Learn to fly a category of a plane the right way in lower tiers, whether you win or not, and you will see your scores go up and your enjoyment increase.  Basically, learn how to boom and zoom in a heavy, turn and burn in a light fighter, concentrate on ground targets in your GAAs, learn how the heck to fly a multi (I still am not getting them, really). Learn which heavies you simply do not turn in (the ever dangerous FW 57), and which ones you can do a little turning in.  Develop the automatic paying attention to your radar (OMG do that) and also develop a freakin' rear view mirror. (The "freakin'" was for me as I am still not doing that as well as I should.) Learn how to stay high in some planes, when to go low and dirty in others.

 

Keep an eye on when you can CAP CAP CAP. That is a KEY. (ABC = Always BE Cappin'.)

 

See? It's really several learning curves all at the same time. You will do FINE if you just L2P Git Gud while being patient with yourself.

 

Looking forward to seeing you in the skies!

 

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View Post1973_Z1, on 10 January 2022 - 05:26 PM, said:

I just started playing this about two weeks ago. I've thought about it for a while because I've always liked flying. I got the free package and started flying, trying to shoot guys down, I thought this was the object. Now that I have read a few posts it seems in my view that most battles are just a bunch of what you fellows call "bots" and there isn't too many "humans" in the game and I am not supposed to spend my time dog-fighting because if I do than the one or two "humans" that pretty much live in the game are not going to win the battle and that makes me a jerk-off and them mad. It seems also that there are varying views of how to win the battles because the "bots" don't listen and the one or two "humans" that ended up in the battle are less skilled and stupider than you so the battle is lost. I just came here to fly around and shoot guys down, it doesn't really matter to me if my side wins or not as long as I fly my fighter good and get some kills. I am trying to learn how to do this but it seems a little complicated to me seeing as how all the planes in a flight don't always do what they are supposed to according to the guys here with a lot of experience. I have tried lately to attack the mining plants and bomber bases but all that happens is I shoot up all my rockets, destroy a few ground targets, not be able to clear the whole place myself and get swarmed by defense aircraft and blasted down because I don't get any help, not the most fun in my book, I would rather go try to shoot down some opponents. Why don't you guys give me the non-flying idiot version of the basic rules of the attack so I know a little better what to do. I earned all my planes with free points except the F4U-4, I bought $29 worth of gold and converted it so I could pay the research fees, but at tier VII or whatever it is I'm flying in now it seems me and my Corsair are a little out classed, it doesn't fly the best at altitude and I get out turned by just about everyone. I am flying using a mouse and I find that I depart the aircraft quite often when maneuvering because of the "sweep" action needed to get full range. Sometimes when trying to maneuver out of danger the aircraft ends up stalled and departs, then by the time it recovers I'm dead. I bought an extreme 3D Pro and when I used it I could maneuver so hard the wings shudder and I never depart because the control inputs are all correct. The problem for me with the stick is getting used to coordinating the wrist-turn rudder but I was getting better when the trigger switch quit so I'm back to the mouse. There is a lot to this game I don't know about. I just thought I'd let you guys know what I got from reading the posts and trying to fly here in battle. By the way, if I was in one of your flights and I cost you the battle I apologize, I suck.

 

1. It is not a race to climb tiers. Start at tier 1 and do not climb tiers until you win more than you lose.

2. Each plane class has a role to play in winning a battle. Learn these and you will be able to contribute to the victory. As a rule,  leave the plants to the ground attack aircraft and bombers to cap. You can often defend plants AFTER they have been capped. You can help with a command center, garrisons, and airfields/airbases.

3. DO NOT RUSH THE MIDDLE TARGET unless it's a command center. If any other type of sector is in the middle THEN IGNORE IT until it's the only thing left.

4. There are some stupid asymmetrical maps where what you do to win is dependent on which side of the stupid map you occupy. 

There is much more to learn about 3 dimensional air combat but this should help keep people from getting angry with you. 


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View Post1973_Z1, on 17 January 2022 - 09:38 PM, said:

I don't know what griefing means. What I meant by playing more like suggested is instead of just flying around and shooting at other planes I'm trying to capture and defend. 

 

Griefing is deliberately being a Richard in a game.  Team-killing and that sort of thing*.  What 12_Inch is saying is that you playing above your skill set is detrimental to your team.  This is true, but I wouldn't call it griefing, fwiw.  All things considered, fly at lower tiers until you "get gud" and both you and your team will be the better for it.

 

*look up Claus Kellermans WITBAH series for some WoT examples. . . . .*

 

 






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