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Lose_dudes #1 Posted 01 March 2021 - 06:24 PM

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I see it a lot on reddit. If it is real, I'm not seeing a lot of it

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Captain_Underpants53 #2 Posted 01 March 2021 - 06:39 PM

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I wish the bot heavies wouldn't see it.
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View PostLose_dudes, on 01 March 2021 - 06:24 PM, said:

I see it a lot on reddit. If it is real, I'm not seeing a lot of it

So, you've never, not once, seen an Ef-131 or Su-10 just own it at T10?

Mobility and firepower are the meta.  HFs have both.  High tier bombers have both.

 


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View PostCorvusCorvax, on 01 March 2021 - 07:01 PM, said:

So, you've never, not once, seen an Ef-131 or Su-10 just own it at T10?

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Yes I have seen it but ya still gotta work fer it most of the time.  Even with the EF 131, the BATTLE BUTTON does not say AUTO-WIN.
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View PostLose_dudes, on 01 March 2021 - 07:25 PM, said:

Hello, I-215 fodder

No.  Too fast, and too high.  Your MRF will never catch an EF-131.  And the Su-10 is only SLIGHTLY slower.  And they play at altitudes that you'll never see.

 



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View PostCaptain_Underpants53, on 01 March 2021 - 07:37 PM, said:

Yes I have seen it but ya still gotta work fer it most of the time.  Even with the EF 131, the BATTLE BUTTON does not say AUTO-WIN.

For sure.

I mean, when I take out my XF-90, it's not like it just prints wins and parts and XP without me wiggling the mouse.



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I generally fly lower so the gunner earns his C-rats.
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View PostCaptain_Underpants53, on 01 March 2021 - 07:41 PM, said:

I generally fly lower so the gunner earns his C-rats.

For me, it depends on who and what the competition is.  ;)



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View PostCorvusCorvax, on 01 March 2021 - 02:37 PM, said:

No.  Too fast, and too high.  Your MRF will never catch an EF-131.  And the Su-10 is only SLIGHTLY slower.  And they play at altitudes that you'll never see.

 

 

Now that right there is an argument for AIM-9s if I ever saw one.

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SU-10 with special equipment is every bit as good as the EF-131. It just requires a couple more brain cells than the EF because it doesn't carry as many bombs. Either of the tier 10 bombers with a heavy is an almost guaranteed win if you have capable pilots in at least one of the aircraft. Thankfully most of the bomber mains have stopped playing or at least stopped playing at tier 10 so there's more room to have fun with LFs now.

 

 

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View PostGeorgePatton, on 02 March 2021 - 11:30 AM, said:

SU-10 with special equipment is every bit as good as the EF-131. It just requires a couple more brain cells than the EF because it doesn't carry as many bombs. Either of the tier 10 bombers with a heavy is an almost guaranteed win if you have capable pilots in at least one of the aircraft. Thankfully most of the bomber mains have stopped playing or at least stopped playing at tier 10 so there's more room to have fun with LFs now.

 

 

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Su-10 carries 8 x 500kg bombs, the EF-131 carries 4 x 1000kg bombs. The big difference is in the splash damage and reload speed - the EF-131 can take out any target up to 50 points with a single bomb and two bombs takes out an 80 pointer. The Su-10 requires 2 bombs for the 50s and 4 for the 80. And then it takes 70s to reload unspecialized compared to the EF-131's 50 seconds.

 

In other words - the EF-131 is a lot more forgiving of mistakes - your bombs are so powerful you can simply address them "to whom it may concern" and still kill something. Mess up a drop in the Su-10 and you might not even take out an Armored AA emplacement. And then if you DO need to come around for another go, the EF-131 only needs to wait 34 - 50 seconds before coming in to try again. The Su-10 takes anywhere from 55 - 70 seconds before its bombs come back basically rendering it fairly limited in capability for up to a minute during which the enemy team can easily reset the cap or steal another one.

 

OP clearly either has not encountered an experienced Bomber/Heavy team or - IMO - is sufficiently obtuse as to NOT notice them in action.


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View PostSpiritFoxMY, on 02 March 2021 - 03:53 AM, said:

 

 

OP clearly either has not encountered an experienced Bomber/Heavy team or - IMO - is sufficiently obtuse as to NOT notice them in action.

I don't know how you miss T10 bomber pilots who are scoring 20k+ PP/game.



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I don't fly at Tier X as much as some, but yeah.  A Spec EF-131 in red is almost a foregone conclusion, even if I'm in a Heavy.  I've been in plenty of games where each side has a Spec'd bomber, and they're scoring twice the points of anyone else in the game.  Dual GAA bots at high tiers can sometimes keep up, or a really good GAA human, but my $$$ is on the bomber human.

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View PostCorvusCorvax, on 01 March 2021 - 11:48 PM, said:

I don't know how you miss T10 bomber pilots who are scoring 20k+ PP/game.

 

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View PostSpiritFoxMY, on 01 March 2021 - 10:53 PM, said:

 

Su-10 carries 8 x 500kg bombs, the EF-131 carries 4 x 1000kg bombs. The big difference is in the splash damage and reload speed - the EF-131 can take out any target up to 50 points with a single bomb and two bombs takes out an 80 pointer. The Su-10 requires 2 bombs for the 50s and 4 for the 80. And then it takes 70s to reload unspecialized compared to the EF-131's 50 seconds.

 

In other words - the EF-131 is a lot more forgiving of mistakes - your bombs are so powerful you can simply address them "to whom it may concern" and still kill something. Mess up a drop in the Su-10 and you might not even take out an Armored AA emplacement. And then if you DO need to come around for another go, the EF-131 only needs to wait 34 - 50 seconds before coming in to try again. The Su-10 takes anywhere from 55 - 70 seconds before its bombs come back basically rendering it fairly limited in capability for up to a minute during which the enemy team can easily reset the cap or steal another one.

 

OP clearly either has not encountered an experienced Bomber/Heavy team or - IMO - is sufficiently obtuse as to NOT notice them in action.

 

Thanks! IDK why I thought SU-10 had less bombs. Guess that's what happens when you don't fly the EF. :teethhappy:

 

 

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View PostSpiritFoxMY, on 01 March 2021 - 10:53 PM, said:

 

Su-10 carries 8 x 500kg bombs, the EF-131 carries 4 x 1000kg bombs. The big difference is in the splash damage and reload speed - the EF-131 can take out any target up to 50 points with a single bomb and two bombs takes out an 80 pointer. The Su-10 requires 2 bombs for the 50s and 4 for the 80. And then it takes 70s to reload unspecialized compared to the EF-131's 50 seconds.

 

In other words - the EF-131 is a lot more forgiving of mistakes - your bombs are so powerful you can simply address them "to whom it may concern" and still kill something. Mess up a drop in the Su-10 and you might not even take out an Armored AA emplacement. And then if you DO need to come around for another go, the EF-131 only needs to wait 34 - 50 seconds before coming in to try again. The Su-10 takes anywhere from 55 - 70 seconds before its bombs come back basically rendering it fairly limited in capability for up to a minute during which the enemy team can easily reset the cap or steal another one.

 

OP clearly either has not encountered an experienced Bomber/Heavy team or - IMO - is sufficiently obtuse as to NOT notice them in action.

That's everything put in a nut shell, couldn't have said it any better or clearer.

Reload time has hurt the Su-10, time spent in the air not bombing is a waste of time for your team.

Being they are both tier 10 bombers and you cannot be low tiered in them, i've tried to fly both of them as much as possible, but the Su10 bombers, at time is just to slow to cap.

Thought that maybe my build as incorrect, reconfigured it several time, with almost the same result.

The problem lies in the small bombs and reload speed.


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