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Lose_dudes #1 Posted 23 February 2021 - 06:58 PM

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Never underestimate the turnfighting ability of an I-215 loaded with Aerodynamics Expert and Lightweight Power unit.

The Yak multiroles are not, in the words of a certain forumer 'basically just giant sniping platforms'. It is an extremely capable and powerful plane. Sure, the guns have long range, but it always comes down to turnfighting. As I said before, the yak multiroles have just enough maneuverability to match most other planes in the same tier. At the same time, the long gun range means no one-- not even heavy fighters can escape. It also has decent survivability for its class, and can take on quite a beating and a few fires. It's kind of a surprise that not that many humans fly them.


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well get your frequent flyer miles up and catch up

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View Postlosttwo, on 23 February 2021 - 07:12 PM, said:

well get your frequent flyer miles up and catch up

? wdym

I have 15 hrs on the I-215 and I got it last month


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trikke #4 Posted 23 February 2021 - 09:54 PM

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i loved the 3T but i never fly it anymore         6.2 kills per sortie in just a few battles         

 

hmmm     i do have that 8 skill unused La-5 pilot...     let me think about this for a while

 

edit:   but it's not a multirole, sorry

 

edit: edit:  it's low and slow    nvrmind


Edited by trikke, 23 February 2021 - 10:03 PM.

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There is no Soviet MRF that intimidates me, unless it's flown by a top-10 pilot.

Stopping at the Su-9 is perfectly acceptable in this line.  There is a good reason you don't see KAIM flying them in his videos.

 



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View PostCorvusCorvax, on 23 February 2021 - 09:58 PM, said:

There is no Soviet MRF that intimidates me, unless it's flown by a top-10 pilot.

Stopping at the Su-9 is perfectly acceptable in this line.  There is a good reason you don't see KAIM flying them in his videos.

 

You have no Idea what you're missing out on.

Then again, we don't need that many I-215s. I'm perfectly happy dominating by myself.


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View PostLose_dudes, on 23 February 2021 - 10:01 PM, said:

You have no Idea what you're missing out on.

Then again, we don't need that many I-215s. I'm perfectly happy dominating by myself.


Sure I do.  The playstyle is pretty much the same from T8-T10, and after grinding the Yak-7, the Yak-9 and the Yak-9U to get to the Su-9, let's just say that if it ever comes to choice of MRF to fly a T8, T would rather fly the Me-109TL than the Su-9.

I have seen *one single person* who was any good at the high-tier Soviet MRF, and it just so happens he rules the sky in everything else, so...  Maybe when the planes get rebalanced, I'll think about moving on.  Until then, I'd rather play the Britsih line, or the USN line, or the Republic line, or the German line, or the Japanese line...



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I've been enjoying the I-211 since I got to Marksman 2 and bought the top guns.  Makes things go *POOF*

 

 


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View PostCorvusCorvax, on 23 February 2021 - 04:58 PM, said:

There is no Soviet MRF that intimidates me, unless it's flown by a top-10 pilot.

Stopping at the Su-9 is perfectly acceptable in this line.  There is a good reason you don't see KAIM flying them in his videos.

 

I'm more intimidated by bots in VVS MRF than I am the overwhelming majority of human pilots.


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View Posttrikke, on 24 February 2021 - 09:54 AM, said:

edit:   but it's not a multirole, sorry

 

edit: edit:  it's low and slow    nvrmind

But you enjoy the Tu-1 right?

I-215 is basically Tu-1 but at T10: better turn & can get up to decent speeds, no 2ndaries or turret, less altitude.

Same server pause 'Uh, did those twin 57mm really do that much damage? Checking...  oh, yes. Yes they certainly did!' <enemy goes pop>

 

Edit: I took it out for a recorded spin

Haven't played it for months & this is a raw 5pt pilot with ADE & Engine Guru1, equipment is mostly Ultimate but uncalibrated.

On the other hand, an all-bot enemy team & pretty much perfect map for the I-215 to do its thing.


Edited by hoom, 24 February 2021 - 09:26 AM.

C'est magnifique, mais ce n'est pas le SerB.

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View Posthoom, on 24 February 2021 - 03:23 PM, said:

But you enjoy the Tu-1 right?

I-215 is basically Tu-1 but at T10: better turn & can get up to decent speeds, no 2ndaries or turret, less altitude.

Same server pause 'Uh, did those twin 57mm really do that much damage? Checking...  oh, yes. Yes they certainly did!' <enemy goes pop>

 

Not really.

 

The I-215 lacks a couple of really critical aspects of the Tu-1:

 

1. Reliable secondaries (that have identical ballistics to the derps). This is actually pretty big because it means you're not dependent on landing the big shots to actually kill things. Even when you miss with the big guns, you're still chipping away at their HP so much so that once you DO connect, you can just vape them

 

2. Relative HP. The Tu-1 is a CHONKY BOI. Its basically a copy/paste of the Tu-2 which means you get a bomber healthpool to play with on top of the turrets. That's quite important because the Tu-1 can eat a TON of shots before going down. Far more than the I-215 can. That gives it a lot of endurance over the tier 10.

 

3. Relative altitude. The I-215 has a really low optimal ceiling compared to the Tu-1, meaning it struggles to get up to where the fight is. Now granted your gun range is so wild that you don't really need that kind of altitude but it does mean that you're extremely dependent on being a good shot at range compared to the Tu-1 which can just charge up to its target and erase it without really bothering about aiming.

4. Boost length. The I-215 lacks the strategic mobility of the Tu-1 because of a much smaller boost pool. Again, the Tu-1 has a ginormous boost pool relative even to other Heavies:because its a copy/paste of the Tu-2, it actually has bomber boost which isn't as fast but is extremely long-lasting. 

All of this means that you simply cannot fly the I-215 in the same way you do the Tu-1. The I-215 DOES have a couple of other things going for it but it isn't a tier 10 Tu-1.


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View Posthoom, on 24 February 2021 - 07:23 AM, said:

But you enjoy the Tu-1 right?

I-215 is basically Tu-1 but at T10: better turn & can get up to decent speeds, no 2ndaries or turret, less altitude.

Same server pause 'Uh, did those twin 57mm really do that much damage? Checking...  oh, yes. Yes they certainly did!' <enemy goes pop>

 

Edit: I took it out for a recorded spin

Haven't played it for months & this is a raw 5pt pilot with ADE & Engine Guru1, equipment is mostly Ultimate but uncalibrated.

On the other hand, an all-bot enemy team & pretty much perfect map for the I-215 to do its thing.

Got my 57s to do 675dps with the special gun slot thingy.


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View Postcrzyhawk, on 24 February 2021 - 05:25 AM, said:

I'm more intimidated by bots in VVS MRF than I am the overwhelming majority of human pilots.


+1 for the hard truth.

 



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 The I-215 lacks a couple of really critical aspects of the Tu-1:

 These are detail differences.

Point twin chin-mounted big chonky guns in general direction of enemy way over there, big chonky guns go brrroom... ... enemy go pop.


C'est magnifique, mais ce n'est pas le SerB.

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View Posthoom, on 25 February 2021 - 07:47 AM, said:

 These are detail differences.

Point twin chin-mounted big chonky guns in general direction of enemy way over there, big chonky guns go brrroom... ... enemy go pop.



Attention to detail is what separates good pilots from poor pilots.



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View PostCorvusCorvax, on 25 February 2021 - 08:36 AM, said:



Attention to detail is what separates good pilots from poor pilots.

 

"And often, the living from the dead".     Got that from a Grampa Pettibones column in an issue of Naval Aviation Safety News (or something like that) years ago when I was in the Navy.   The actual quote, if I remember it, was "Attention to detail is what separates men from boys, and often, the living from the dead".



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Derps are not about refined detail, they're about the sheer overwhelming power of big chonky guns lobbing large shells in the general direction of enemies and said enemies taking ludicrous amounts of damage rather more often than they properly should.
C'est magnifique, mais ce n'est pas le SerB.

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View Posthoom, on 26 February 2021 - 12:46 AM, said:

Derps are not about refined detail, they're about the sheer overwhelming power of big chonky guns lobbing large shells in the general direction of enemies and said enemies taking ludicrous amounts of damage rather more often than they properly should.

 

DERPs are about gambling.  We all know how addictive and morally corruptive gambling is, but we just can't stop seeking that payoff high. 

 


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View PostCaptain_Rownd, on 26 February 2021 - 01:13 PM, said:

 

DERPs are about gambling.  We all know how addictive and morally corruptive gambling is, but we just can't stop seeking that payoff high. 

 

 

I really, really hate to ask.....but what exactly is DERP?  An acronym?

 



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View PostCorsair4790805, on 26 February 2021 - 11:17 AM, said:

 

I really, really hate to ask.....but what exactly is DERP?  An acronym?

 

 

The Big Guns.  Any gun that lobs a nuclear slow-pitch softball at the enemy.  The word "DERP" kind of evokes an inept/weak/uncoordinated/stupid action


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