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CorvusCorvax #1 Posted 26 November 2020 - 03:05 PM

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Or, you're not so new, and would like another pilot with skill points.  How about 9 skill points?  Would be shocked if I told you you could buy a 9-skill-point American pilot, right now?  It would cost you a little over US$70.

The nice thing is that it comes with a T9 premium, that, win or lose, makes a pile of silver.

My fellow veterans are groaning about me pointing this out, but hear me out on this:

 

Pilot skill points take quite a while to build up, unless you play ALL THE TIME.  The no-lifers have all kinds of pilot skill points to play with.  And once you get up to 7-8 points, the grind is horrific.  I have a couple of 11-skill pilots, a bunch of 9 and 10s, and a load of 8-skill pilots - and I've been playing this game a while.  I would LOVE to buy skill points.

But if you can be disciplined and NOT fly the T9 premium until you actually have a T9 tech tree plane, you can start using your 9-skill pilot in whatever American plane you want to run him.  Why is it important to let that plane sit in your hangar?  You don't have the skills required to fly the plane at T9 yet.  That's fine in an all-bot match - if you lose, your bot teammates don't care.  But if you have a human team mates, you'll be letting them down.  They don't deserve to lose because you had $70 in your pocket.  So, don't fly the plane, but run that pilot...

Just buy the XF-85, and then trade that pilot out into whatever plane you're grinding.  Think about how many hours you'd have to play to grind up a pilot from zero to 9 points.  Then, compare that to $70.  If you were getting paid, would you take that per-hour rate?  No?  Well, there's your answer!  ;)

 

Let's say you already HAVE the Gobling.  Well, you might still want that 9-skill American pilot.  Now life becomes more complicated.  Due to the way Wargaming does things, if you just up and buy the XF-85 (if you already have it in the hangar), you WILL NOT get the 9-point pilot!  Because it is "bonus" to the purchase.

I have spoken about this previously, so I won't type it again...

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WhoaBlackBetty #2 Posted 26 November 2020 - 03:46 PM

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I have a question I should know the answer to, but never have really noticed it before.

 

When I put a pilot into a premium plane, his/.her proficiency is 100%, but proficiency training is frozen.  This means that 100% of the pilot's skills are used, but no exp is given to the pilot unless you retrain the pilot for the aircraft?

 

 


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SpiritFoxMY #3 Posted 26 November 2020 - 03:53 PM

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View PostWhoaBlackBetty, on 26 November 2020 - 11:46 PM, said:

I have a question I should know the answer to, but never have really noticed it before.

 

When I put a pilot into a premium plane, his/.her proficiency is 100%, but proficiency training is frozen.  This means that 100% of the pilot's skills are used, but no exp is given to the pilot unless you retrain the pilot for the aircraft?

 

Not quite - it means your pilot cannot gain proficiency - so for example, if he/she is at 90% proficiency for whatever plane he/she is assigned to, you cannot get that proficiency up to 100%. All that XP is lost because until your pilot is at 100% proficiency, all XP goes into gaining proficiency.

 

However, if your pilot is already at 100% proficiency in the aircraft he/she is assigned to, then you CAN gain XP for your skills since it is not locked to proficiency. So you can theoretically fast-train a 100% proficiency pilot by moving him/her around to all of his/her nation's airplanes and getting the daily XP multiplier (stacked with a pilot/plane/fxp booster of course).

 

This is also why it might be useful to convert some Euro planes into other nations other than their original nation since it opens them up for use as additional crew trainers

 

 


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WhoaBlackBetty #4 Posted 26 November 2020 - 04:44 PM

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View PostSpiritFoxMY, on 26 November 2020 - 09:53 AM, said:

 

Not quite - it means your pilot cannot gain proficiency - so for example, if he/she is at 90% proficiency for whatever plane he/she is assigned to, you cannot get that proficiency up to 100%. All that XP is lost because until your pilot is at 100% proficiency, all XP goes into gaining proficiency.

 

However, if your pilot is already at 100% proficiency in the aircraft he/she is assigned to, then you CAN gain XP for your skills since it is not locked to proficiency. So you can theoretically fast-train a 100% proficiency pilot by moving him/her around to all of his/her nation's airplanes and getting the daily XP multiplier (stacked with a pilot/plane/fxp booster of course).

 

This is also why it might be useful to convert some Euro planes into other nations other than their original nation since it opens them up for use as additional crew trainers

 

 

 

So some kind of xp is earned, 100% or not, somewhere. Heh.

 

Yeah, about all my Euro planes have been reflagged.


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new and newer folks, you owe Corvus a beer        an excellent pilot giving you an excellent pro tip sneak-around way to grab a high skill pilot

 

just promise us not to actually fly the Goblin itself until you've reached the doorstep of high tiers           

 

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WhoaBlackBetty #6 Posted 26 November 2020 - 07:16 PM

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dityboycom would almost violently disagree with that.

De-arse your bunks! Man the planes! The Fokkers are in sight! BAM ba LAMMM!

 

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That’s how I train my pilots up.  I have a lot of RAF premiums and I just run the gauntlet.  Type 224 spit Ia venom boomerang spit vb mustang Ia mustang I vampire seafang.  You can train pilots up pretty quick doing that.  New pilots I train up in my t2-3 planes where I shouldn’t need skill points.

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View PostCorvusCorvax, on 26 November 2020 - 05:05 AM, said:

It would cost you a little over US$70.
 

 

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CorvusCorvax #9 Posted 26 November 2020 - 08:19 PM

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View Postcrzyhawk, on 26 November 2020 - 07:57 PM, said:

That’s how I train my pilots up. I have a lot of RAF premiums and I just run the gauntlet. Type 224 spit Ia venom boomerang spit vb mustang Ia mustang I vampire seafang. You can train pilots up pretty quick doing that. New pilots I train up in my t2-3 planes where I shouldn’t need skill points.


How many battles does it take to get from a 0-point pilot to a nine-point pilot?  I have a boatload of Brit premiums myself - but it still takes a while to get that guy to 9 points, right?



CorvusCorvax #10 Posted 26 November 2020 - 08:21 PM

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View PostCaptain_Rownd, on 26 November 2020 - 08:18 PM, said:

 

  Do not spend $70 on pixels 


It's even worse than that - they are not even pixels - they are only skill points. 



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If you want to build skill points for your pilots then quit your job and play 24 hours a day 7 days a week.

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View PostCorvusCorvax, on 26 November 2020 - 03:19 PM, said:


How many battles does it take to get from a 0-point pilot to a nine-point pilot?  I have a boatload of Brit premiums myself - but it still takes a while to get that guy to 9 points, right?

I don’t have many nine pointers so I’d have to say a lot. Usually I just grind them to about 6 points.  


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View Postcrzyhawk, on 26 November 2020 - 09:48 PM, said:

I don’t have many nine pointers so I’d have to say a lot. Usually I just grind them to about 6 points.  


Even with 5x weekends, and stuff like Bomber Escort, and using boosters, getting from 8 to 9 is not trivial.

One weekend, with the help of my clan mates, and many, many boosters, I ground a Japanese pilot from 6 points to 8 points.  It was grueling.  I lost a whole weekend.  Well, I got to play WoWP, but the Japanese planes are not my favorites...



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View PostCorvusCorvax, on 26 November 2020 - 05:59 PM, said:


Even with 5x weekends, and stuff like Bomber Escort, and using boosters, getting from 8 to 9 is not trivial.

One weekend, with the help of my clan mates, and many, many boosters, I ground a Japanese pilot from 6 points to 8 points.  It was grueling.  I lost a whole weekend.  Well, I got to play WoWP, but the Japanese planes are not my favorites...

I don't disagree.  I have a couple of 9 pointers, but not many.  I think my highest is my Spit Ia special pilot at 12 or 13....so a lot of time he's down a few points.


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I will say my efforts to train Mary Loveheart in t2's and 3's is pretty rough.  Doing well is easy, but those low tier planes only provide so much pilot exp.

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Scrawnybeaver #16 Posted 29 November 2020 - 03:12 PM

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$105 Cdn for a pilot is way too much and I don't really want the Goblin in the long term.    In any case, it will make no difference to my game.  The pilot I really need to train is myself and that is free.  Not that I am doing a great job of it.  

 

I got a couple of 7 skill pilots, one almost at 8.  Not too bad considering how long and how much I played.   

 

My philosophy about pilot training is to train one or maybe two crews for every nation and use them in every planes I get for that nation.  It does not really take that long to retrain a crew member to a new plane and they can use their skills meanwhile.  This way, all skill points go to those crews so they build their skills quite quickly.  I can only fly one plane at the time anyway.



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View PostScrawnybeaver, on 29 November 2020 - 09:12 AM, said:

 The pilot I really need to train is myself and that is free. 

 

BOOM.

 

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View PostCorvusCorvax, on 26 November 2020 - 10:05 AM, said:

...Would be shocked if I told you you could buy a 9-skill-point American pilot, right now?  It would cost you a little over US$70...

 

WoWP is free-to-play and pay-to-win (or at least pay to advance faster) so NO, I am not shocked or even a little surprised that one of the premium planes comes with a 9 point skilled pilot.



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View PostFruit_Loops_, on 09 December 2020 - 01:55 AM, said:

 

WoWP is free-to-play and pay-to-win

No, it isn't.



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View PostScrawnybeaver, on 29 November 2020 - 11:12 AM, said:

  The pilot I really need to train is myself and that is free.  

 

that is a little gem        so true


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