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Llamallamadingdong #1 Posted 21 November 2020 - 12:51 AM

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I don't know about you folks, but I've been in matches that are extremely out of balance since Crimson started, on both sides of the fence.

Today, I've seen more than a few matches where one side MIGHT have a lower tier specialist if they are lucky, while the other has 2 or 3 specialists in the higher tier and one or two in the lower one.  The sides are in now way whatsoever even close to being balanced, the the results have definitely reflected that in the games I've been in.

Anyone else find this to be the case, or is it indeed just me?

 



Captain_Underpants53 #2 Posted 21 November 2020 - 01:13 AM

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The MM does NOT take specialization into account.  It completely ignores the issue.
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My team had no specialists

 



WhoaBlackBetty #4 Posted 21 November 2020 - 01:24 AM

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So?

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View PostWhoaBlackBetty, on 21 November 2020 - 01:24 AM, said:

So?

Was just asking if anyone had noticed the same thing.  Before the event started, most matches seemed to be balanced pretty well, with the occasional match that was way out of balance.  Since Crimson has started, it seems like a lot, if not most, of the matches are very, very unbalanced.  I've been on both sides, it's not like I'm complaining that I'm getting clubbed like a baby seal over and over again, I just wondered if anyone else had seen the same trend.

 



losttwo #6 Posted 21 November 2020 - 09:56 AM

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OMG it is 4:29 in the morning and all ready someone is getting on my nerves.

What is wrong with you people.

You can't understand a simple RANDOM algorithm that has been explained until people are blue in the face. 

 

It is very simple. It really is very simple.

 

You pick a plane and tier

You click battle

You join a queue, waiting room, ...you know, like getting in line for a ride a Disney.

 

Queue doesn't care if you are water boy, high school drop out, Master degree , BA, Doctorate, stripper, superhero, or a one armed cross dressing ex convict looking for a score.

Queue grabs your but and makes a match.

 

The only limit is ( when there are no glitches ) How many of each plane type makes an entire team.

( the only glitch I have seen is my Beau V premium is often counted as a MR ).

 

Matches are reflective ?

What, why, are you losing more than you are winning. No matter how hard you try.

Bomber Escort mode is extremely difficult because you have to multi task more.

Take out the BOMBER FLIGHT before they break through.

 

 



Captain_Rownd #7 Posted 21 November 2020 - 03:17 PM

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View PostCaptain_Underpants53, on 20 November 2020 - 03:13 PM, said:

The MM does NOT take specialization into account.  It completely ignores the issue.

 

Actually it does, though in a very strange way.  If there are 2 Spec'd planes in a 4 player battle they will almost always be placed on the same team.   (at least 95% of the time)  Since that can't be random matchmaker is obviously doing SOMETHING with Spec'd planes, but whatever that is it sure doesn't involve balancing.  

 


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Captain_Underpants53 #8 Posted 21 November 2020 - 03:23 PM

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I am just going to go with what blindfold has said repeatedly in the past, there is no consideration of Specialization in the MM.
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losttwo #9 Posted 21 November 2020 - 03:49 PM

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View PostCaptain_Rownd, on 21 November 2020 - 10:17 AM, said:

 

Actually it does, though in a very strange way.  If there are 2 Spec'd planes in a 4 player battle they will almost always be placed on the same team.   (at least 95% of the time)  Since that can't be random matchmaker is obviously doing SOMETHING with Spec'd planes, but whatever that is it sure doesn't involve balancing.  

 

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View Postlosttwo, on 21 November 2020 - 04:56 AM, said:

OMG it is 4:29 in the morning and all ready someone is getting on my nerves.

What is wrong with you people.

You can't understand a simple RANDOM algorithm that has been explained until people are blue in the face. 

 

 

Haha getting triggered because somebody asks a legitimate question on a video game forum.

 

 



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View PostThe_real_Gouldy, on 21 November 2020 - 09:54 AM, said:

 

Haha getting triggered because somebody asks a legitimate question on a video game forum.

 

 

 

When the answer has been given hundreds of times, and even by WG staff, and to the same people usually who keep asking (complaining, bishing, whinning, etc...) the question is no longer legitimate. It is irritating.

 

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Captain_Rownd #12 Posted 21 November 2020 - 10:20 PM

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View Postlosttwo, on 21 November 2020 - 05:49 AM, said:

False

 

But it's true.  I'm describing what actually happens.  I look at the team composition at the beginning of each battle, and that's the way it really is.  There has to be some unfathomable reason for it.  


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losttwo #13 Posted 22 November 2020 - 04:06 AM

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View PostCaptain_Rownd, on 21 November 2020 - 05:20 PM, said:

 

But it's true.  I'm describing what actually happens.  I look at the team composition at the beginning of each battle, and that's the way it really is.  There has to be some unfathomable reason for it.  

 

I can fly a specialized plane and be the only specialized plane in the match.

I can fly an elite plane and be the only elite plane in the match.

I fly my Beau V specialized and my team can have 2 other heavies versus 2 heavies and occasionally 4 heavies.

Spoiler
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Only in my Beau V do I get anomalous match making. Almost as if it is a Multi-Role instead of a heavy.

 

Whatever plane I choose is placed in a match and sometimes i am unfortunate to go against specialized planes.

The good news is that I am lucky enough to have another specialist on my team, sometimes not.

Been in many matches wit ha mixed bag of tricks.



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What I'm describing ONLY applies to a 4 player battle (2v2) that has 2 Specialist planes.  Not any other combination.

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losttwo #15 Posted 23 November 2020 - 01:47 AM

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View PostCaptain_Rownd, on 21 November 2020 - 11:15 PM, said:

What I'm describing ONLY applies to a 4 player battle (2v2) that has 2 Specialist planes.  Not any other combination.

Well all I can say is that our experiences are different.

If I am running a new or elite plane. then I am taking up a spot for specialized planes.

Sometimes I have specialized plane on my team and other times I do not.

Meanwhile the enemy will be a 1 in 3 chance of being specialized planes.  ( new , elite, specialized ) 

The kicker is that most players have specialized their planes. Therefore I run into matches versus 2 specialized foes more often than not,

 

It is not the match maker but the fact i chose a new or elite plane.

The match maker is only grabbing what is available in the queue.

Flying tier 4 and above gives you a higher chance of facing specialized planes then anything else.

 

Out of 100 people playing at a given time. How many do you think are flying specialized planes.

Pressing battle to enter queue at near the same time you are.

 

 



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wow, look at Nue's bot scores!        i'll bet the bots fight among each other to be on Nue's team
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View Postlosttwo, on 22 November 2020 - 03:47 PM, said:

Well all I can say is that our experiences are different..

 

 

 

  That may be so, but it would just add another layer of mystery as to what's going on to cause such a distinctly UNrandom distribution.  

 

View Postlosttwo, on 22 November 2020 - 03:47 PM, said:

 

The kicker is that most players have specialized their planes. .

 

 

 

Nah, there's just a set of players that fly a handful of sealclubbers all the time.  I bet few of their other planes are Spec'd, but they just don't fly the others very often.  Specialization is too expensive for most players once they get into the upper Tiers.  Spec will be a big problem for the game going forward (typical of WG titles), as the outcome of battles is ever more dominated by multi year veterans with big accumulated gear advantages. 

 

 

 


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View PostCaptain_Rownd, on 22 November 2020 - 10:32 PM, said:

 

  That may be so, but it would just add another layer of mystery as to what's going on to cause such a distinctly UNrandom distribution.  

Well, Randomness is like flipping a quarter. Flip it 100 times on Monday and get head 80% of the time. Tuesday it is all tail.

I only fly on Tuesday.

 

 

Nah, there's just a set of players that fly a handful of sealclubbers all the time.  I bet few of their other planes are Spec'd, but they just don't fly the others very often.  Specialization is too expensive for most players once they get into the upper Tiers.

  Spec will be a big problem for the game going forward (typical of WG titles), as the outcome of battles is ever more dominated by multi year veterans with big accumulated gear advantages. 

 

Lets not forget pilot skill advantage too. I do not have very many planes left to specialize and every pilot has at least a 7 point skill lead (accept my bombers).

 

I think I am short 8 specialist and 3 tier 10's. Otherwise I have a full carrier deck. ( not including bombers )

 

 



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View PostLlamallamadingdong, on 20 November 2020 - 08:57 PM, said:

Was just asking if anyone had noticed the same thing.  Before the event started, most matches seemed to be balanced pretty well, with the occasional match that was way out of balance.  Since Crimson has started, it seems like a lot, if not most, of the matches are very, very unbalanced.  I've been on both sides, it's not like I'm complaining that I'm getting clubbed like a baby seal over and over again, I just wondered if anyone else had seen the same trend.

 

 

The MM wasn't doing anything different in Crimson Dawn that it does in everyday battles. The odds are pretty good all the time that the battle you are in is very lopsided and 1 side will blowout the other. This is the norm for WoWP, everyone (I should think) hates it, Wg must be aware of the frequency of unbalanced battles most of the time from the number of complaints (Wg most likely hates me and my posts about this), and Wg probably either hasn't got any coding tricks up their sleeves to make the MM more intelligent at assigning planes to each side or just doesn't care about it because it would cost too much to fix (more than likely the sad reason).  






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