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[SpiritFoxMY]

You can only get Flight Instruments, Heat Resistant Parts and Weapons Parts at tier 5+ and Radio Parts at tier 8+

 

Premiums do NOT increase material drop rates

 

What DOES increase drop chances are the kind of targets you kill. I believe blindfold mentioned this in passing a long time ago but there is no specific chart for it.

 

Also, winning is also key because you only get materials if you win

[Four_Leaf_Tayback]

SpiritFoxMY, on 24 October 2020 - 11:28 PM, said:

 

Also, winning is also key because you only get materials if you win

 

Damn you and damn the horse you rode in on.  

[MarkoPollo42]

CorvusCorvax, on 24 October 2020 - 04:00 PM, said:

Maybe instead of flapping your yap, you should just shut up and learn from those folks that know more than you?

 

Just a suggestion.

 

There is no need to be nasty to me for admitting I could have misinterpreted on this. I take a strong viewpoint/stand on a game function that is in direct opposition to your viewpoint on it and now you want to persecute me forever on every topic. That's bad form.

 

Then a few posts down I read this:

CorvusCorvas

I have no idea.  I made a surmise because it seems that premium planes generate "more" of everything...

 

So now even you say you are not sure about this too. So I'm not right/wrong yet and neither are you. Just please stop with the personal persecution of everything I post on. Thank you.

 

I guess the only way to answer this (we won't get any response from the devs... why are they so cold and silent?) is for some one to fly a tier 8 (or 9 or 10) premium plane and count/log the parts received in 100 wins. Then do the same flying the same tier non-premium plane of the same type/class and record the total parts to get hard numbers.  The total XP earned will also need to be counted so the results can be averaged for apples to apples comparison of the results as we know higher personal xp scored = more parts won.

 

I can't do that myself as I don't have any high tier premium planes. Maybe some one like Captain Underpants could be asked to do this?

 

 

 

 

 

[qu33kKC]

Four_Leaf_Tayback, on 25 October 2020 - 04:22 AM, said:

Thanks for the help.  Lately I have been slumming it in T4 trying to get that extra hangar space and for token missions.  That's probably why I have not been getting Flight Instruments.  

 

Wow, I used to think T4 was a breeze, but most of my battles involve T5 planes, so that has sucked big time.  Need to complete these dang missions.  

 

There's been a LOT of humans at tier V this month, which means flying Tier IV gets you downtiered a lot.  This can mean suffering.

[Captain_Underpants53]

MarkoPollo42, on 25 October 2020 - 06:05 AM, said:

 

There is no need to be nasty to me for admitting I could have misinterpreted on this. I take a strong viewpoint/stand on a game function that is in direct opposition to your viewpoint on it and now you want to persecute me forever on every topic. That's bad form.

 

Then a few posts down I read this:

 

So now even you say you are not sure about this too. So I'm not right/wrong yet and neither are you. Just please stop with the personal persecution of everything I post on. Thank you.

 

I guess the only way to answer this (we won't get any response from the devs... why are they so cold and silent?) is for some one to fly a tier 8 (or 9 or 10) premium plane and count/log the parts received in 100 wins. Then do the same flying the same tier non-premium plane of the same type/class and record the total parts to get hard numbers.  The total XP earned will also need to be counted so the results can be averaged for apples to apples comparison of the results as we know higher personal xp scored = more parts won.

 

I can't do that myself as I don't have any high tier premium planes. Maybe some one like Captain Underpants could be asked to do this?

 

 

 

 

 

No.  I am content that Premium planes do not give more parts.

[wylleEcoyote]

I didnt have a problem with having enough flight instruments until i began to fly more MultiRoles and less Heavies.
Maybe you should fly more Heavies, OP?  

When it comes to materials and their drop rates there are a few things to keep in mind. 

Thing one: win consistently or you get bupkis. 
I shouldn't have to spell this out for y'all.  but at the same time
so many mid-tier turn fighter players that still have a sub 50% winrate while pulling down 14k points per game exist that it is practically a meme.  

Thing Two: Win big. The more you score the more chances you get to have a material drop. 
Pulled down 20k points in a low tier game last week and wound up with both 8 frame and 8 mech from one battle. 16 (!) parts from one game

Thing Three: Some things just have different rarities than others. 
presuming you are flying in tier 8 and win you have access to all types of mats. Lets presume you did well and earned 7 mats.  Odds are that 4 of them are gonna be frames or mech parts while the other 3 mats will be one, some, or none of, the other options.  
Flight Instruments, Heat Resistant Parts and Weapons Parts and Radio Parts

Theory one: You are what you eat. 
 I cant prove this with hard data  but I am a firm believer that doing a particular type of thing (killing/damaging/fire starting/causing crits) to a particular kind of in game object (Lights/MR/Heavies/Bombers/Attackers/ADA/Ground Targets/Bomber Flights) will decrease the rarity of particular types of materials. 
but i lack any hard data about
1) what you need to do,
2) whom you need to do it to
3) what you get when you do it
4) whether or not the conditions are location specific or even
4) how many times you need to do it in a battle and whether or not that count resets with each new sortie?   

SO i really can not say things like 

Spoiler

 every third heavy fighter you kill is worth one weapon part 

or
killing two Spit/Yak/Zero gets you one frame and Killing 2 MiG/'stang/109 will get you one engine part.

or

every 4th bomber/attacker kill guarantees a flight instrument but only when capturing or defending a zone
 ... Unless you are a heavy which gets credit for killing bombers and attackers anywhere on the map

BUT I CAN SAY 
That if you are in fact running out of a particular piece of equipment compared to other stuff. You may need to fly different kinds of planes to get them.
Half of the planes in my hanger are fighters.  and they are mostly energy fighters at that. so of course I have no mech parts. 
Spitfire and other turn fighter mains seem to never have enough airframe pieces.   
Either one of these problems can be addressed by flying in tier 1-4 (also knocks out tokens)

For the past few months I have been on a bit of a Multi-Role kick (finishing up ze germans and moving through the Thud line)  which means doing alot of uprated engines and boosters. Thus I am recently hitting a similar flight instrument shortage, as well. 
At the same time my Heavy flying time has dropped off a lot. I firmly think there is a correlation.     

 

Edited by wylleEcoyote, 25 October 2020 - 04:36 PM.

[CorvusCorvax]

MarkoPollo42, on 24 October 2020 - 05:54 PM, said:

 

This is an unhelpful reply. We don't care if you have an excess of them.

 

A little bit of a review for you, kiddo - this was your first reply to me.  Who is this "we" that you're talking about?  If you mean "you", then you should write "I", not "we".  You're only speaking for yourself.  So, YOU decided to engage here.  It would have been better for you to just keep your mouth shut and learn something.

 

MarkoPollo42, on 25 October 2020 - 11:05 AM, said:

 

There is no need to be nasty to me for admitting I could have misinterpreted on this. I take a strong viewpoint/stand on a game function that is in direct opposition to your viewpoint on it and now you want to persecute me forever on every topic. That's bad form.

 

Then a few posts down I read this:

 

So now even you say you are not sure about this too. So I'm not right/wrong yet and neither are you. Just please stop with the personal persecution of everything I post on. Thank you.

 

I guess the only way to answer this (we won't get any response from the devs... why are they so cold and silent?) is for some one to fly a tier 8 (or 9 or 10) premium plane and count/log the parts received in 100 wins. Then do the same flying the same tier non-premium plane of the same type/class and record the total parts to get hard numbers.  The total XP earned will also need to be counted so the results can be averaged for apples to apples comparison of the results as we know higher personal xp scored = more parts won.

 

I can't do that myself as I don't have any high tier premium planes. Maybe some one like Captain Underpants could be asked to do this?

 

 

 

 

 

You seem to have a habit of speaking first, and thinking later.  Here is the salient difference between your approach and mine - I threw out a question, because I didn't know the answer.  I phrased it as such, and that I didn't already know the answer - because that is 100% true.  I *now* know the answer, because I didn't ASSume up front.

 

.You, OTOH, often make claims of fact that are patently untrue.  Your lack of skill at the game and your lack of ability to communicate effectively hurts you both in-game, and in-forum.  You're not be persecuted, and you're not a victim.  If you don't want engagement, don't reply to posts.  Just like in-game, if you don't want to get shot down, don't attack that human.

No, I was NEVER sure about the materials drops, and it was clear from my first post.  Only an idiot would misread what I wrote as anything but a surmise. 

If you don't want sharp replies to your posts, then act like it.  I doubt you will learn anything from this, but I will not relent on calling you out for spreading misinformation and acting like a idiot in the forums.

 

Edited by CorvusCorvax, 25 October 2020 - 04:49 PM.

[CorvusCorvax]

Captain_Underpants53, on 25 October 2020 - 02:50 PM, said:

No.  I am content that Premium planes do not give more parts.

Same here.

 

[Captain_Underpants53]

CorvusCorvax, on 25 October 2020 - 11:49 AM, said:

 

A little bit of a review for you, kiddo - this was your first reply to me.  Who is this "we" that you're talking about?  If you mean "you", then you should write "I", not "we".  You're only speaking for yourself.  So, YOU decided to engage here.  It would have been better for you to just keep your mouth shut and learn something.

 

You seem to have a habit of speaking first, and thinking later.  Here is the salient difference between your approach and mine - I threw out a question, because I didn't know the answer.  I phrased it as such, and that I didn't already know the answer - because that is 100% true.  I *now* know the answer, because I didn't ASSume up front.

 

.You, OTOH, often make claims of fact that are patently untrue.  Your lack of skill at the game and your lack of ability to communicate effectively hurts you both in-game, and in-forum.  You're not be persecuted, and you're not a victim.  If you don't want engagement, don't reply to posts.  Just like in-game, if you don't want to get shot down, don't attack that human.

No, I was NEVER sure about the materials drops, and it was clear from my first post.  Only an idiot would misread what I wrote as anything but a surmise. 

If you don't want sharp replies to your posts, then act like it.  I doubt you will learn anything from this, but I will not relent on calling you out for spreading misinformation and acting like a idiot in the forums.

 

Who says it's an act?

[losttwo]

I realize now why I get more materials fr0m premium planes than any others.

I always get OP bots when I fly premium planes and my bots roflmao stomp the other team.

[CorvusCorvax]

losttwo, on 25 October 2020 - 06:11 PM, said:

I realize now why I get more materials fr0m premium planes than any others.

I always get OP bots when I fly premium planes and my bots roflmao stomp the other team.

I literally laughed out loud.

[blindfoId]

Captain_Underpants53, on 25 October 2020 - 12:24 AM, said:

I do fly a lot and while I really don't know for sure, I have a hunch that Premium planes do NOT deliver more parts in a victory.  Maybe blindfold would elucidate on this question?

 

Premium planes do not deliver more parts, you are right.

 

SpiritFoxMY, on 25 October 2020 - 08:28 AM, said:

 

What DOES increase drop chances are the kind of targets you kill. I believe blindfold mentioned this in passing a long time ago but there is no specific chart for it.

 

 

Different targets drop different materials, so yes, the kind of target is important. Another factor is the tier. 

There are also two additional principles:

1. The more HP has a target the higher chances are for getting materials. For example, bombers and heavy fighters or armored ground targets. There's a slight chance to get 2 or even 3 parts for destroying one target. 
2. There's a higher chance to gain materials for killing players/bots aircraft than for destroying ADAs and Bomber Flights.

Actually, I made a chart long ago, here's the link.

[losttwo]

Thank you very much  blindfold

[Captain_Underpants53]

[hoom]

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 Actually, I made a chart long ago, here's the link.

 

So best chance of getting Flight Instruments is flying Period II & killing Heavies/MR/Fighters?

Or a Bomber & hit those Special targets as much as possible?

[losttwo]

Or raise your skirt and show a little more leg 

[BigBadWolf]

Hmm

Edited by BigBadWolf, 27 October 2020 - 06:55 PM.

[trikke]

hoom, on 26 October 2020 - 06:54 PM, said:

 

So best chance of getting Flight Instruments is flying Period II & killing Heavies/MR/Fighters?

Or a Bomber & hit those Special targets as much as possible?

 

i saw 'Special Targets' on that list        i don't think i've ever seen anything labed as a (air quotes) Special Target before      what is that?      a whale?

 

crap, i need heavy flight instruments too        i shoot bombers and GAs all day and i get no flight instruments       

 

way too much like work to shoot LFs and MRs        what a big gyp, Wally!        

[Captain_Underpants53]

trikke, on 30 October 2020 - 05:16 PM, said:

 

i saw 'Special Targets' on that list        i don't think i've ever seen anything labed as a (air quotes) Special Target before      what is that?      a whale?

 

crap, i need heavy flight instruments too        i shoot bombers and GAs all day and i get no flight instruments       

 

way too much like work to shoot LFs and MRs        what a big gyp, Wally!        

Special Targets are the big main buildings on the CC, Mine, Military, and airbase/airfields.  Cornucopia of parts I call 'em!

[hoom]

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 i don't think i've ever seen anything labed as a (air quotes) Special Target before      what is that?

 Confused me too but Its clarified later in that thread: per captain togs togs togs undies its the central bigger target on those cap types.

Normal Garrisons don't have them.