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wyvernslayer #1 Posted 22 July 2020 - 01:00 AM

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So i did a game in my Tier 3 Russian Bomber the SB.  Captured 2 sectors, destroyed 3 ground targets and did 9,854 damage to ground targets got 80 capture points.  I'm in the process of trying to get it to spec status gothe turret kills trying to get the capture points. 

 

Then ran a game in my Tier 3 Russian GAA TSh-3 captured 3 sectors, destroyed 10 ground targets and did 13,317 damage to ground targets got 170 capture points.  I'm also trying to get this plane to spec status 

 

After that I ran a game in my Tier 2 American Multi P-26 captured 3 sectors, killed 14 targets (no way to know if these were over sectors or not) did no ground damage or ground targets got 560 capture points.

 

Should Bombers and GAA possible be getting more capture points since they are doing their bit to capture points?  going this way i need 10800 capture points in my SB at 80 points a game I need to run about 135 games seems a lot for a tier 3



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It varies from day to day whether the GAA are favored by the RNG or the bombers.  But there is one thing common to both.  Their capture points ALWAYS come over a cap, where they count.

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Aircraft are often worth more capture points than ground targets. I think it's 40 for ADAs and 60 for players/bots? Someone correct me if I'm wrong :unsure:

For comparison, the smallest ground targets are worth 15-20 points (tents and AA emplacements), while the largest ones are worth 80 (central ground targets of the Mining Plant and Military Base)


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View Postwyvernslayer, on 21 July 2020 - 03:00 PM, said:

 

 

Should Bombers and GAA possible be getting more capture points since they are doing their bit to capture points?   

 

Ground targets don't manouver, and most of them don't shoot back.  

 

 


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Part of the problem for GAA and bomber pilots in addition is you have to destroy complete targets finish them off before the zone is captured and this can be a race against lights/MRs/heavies shooting down 4 aircraft.  In addition you get heavies and MRs thinking they're being helpful and taking out the easy soft targets before you get to a zone leaving you to struggle to take down the heavy buildings needing multiple passes.  Later in a battle this becomes moot, it's only frustrating at the beginning, at at higher tier I would say it's reversed as GAAs become a lot faster and hard hitting.

 

 

 


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View Postwyvernslayer, on 22 July 2020 - 04:00 AM, said:

So i did a game in my Tier 3 Russian Bomber the SB.  Captured 2 sectors, destroyed 3 ground targets and did 9,854 damage to ground targets got 80 capture points.  I'm in the process of trying to get it to spec status gothe turret kills trying to get the capture points. 

 

Then ran a game in my Tier 3 Russian GAA TSh-3 captured 3 sectors, destroyed 10 ground targets and did 13,317 damage to ground targets got 170 capture points.  I'm also trying to get this plane to spec status 

 

After that I ran a game in my Tier 2 American Multi P-26 captured 3 sectors, killed 14 targets (no way to know if these were over sectors or not) did no ground damage or ground targets got 560 capture points.

 

Should Bombers and GAA possible be getting more capture points since they are doing their bit to capture points?  going this way i need 10800 capture points in my SB at 80 points a game I need to run about 135 games seems a lot for a tier 3

 

Please take into account that Capture Points are credited only if you destroy the last section of a ground target. So if you deal much damage but don't destroy the whole target (every section) you won't get any Capture Points. 80 Capture Points (for ground targets) is about 4-5 small ground targets, while 560 Capture Points (for planes) is about 9-14 planes. 



wyvernslayer #7 Posted 22 July 2020 - 09:11 AM

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Going back to that needing 10800 capture points for a tier 3 bomber to get to specialised its not easy to get there when 80 points seems to be all i can get 

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View Postwyvernslayer, on 22 July 2020 - 05:11 PM, said:

Going back to that needing 10800 capture points for a tier 3 bomber to get to specialised its not easy to get there when 80 points seems to be all i can get 

 

80 points is basically doing nothing though. Might want to check on your replays to see what you're doing wrong since even an SB being headhunted should be able to break 120 points per battle minimum. Like blindfold said, make sure you're properly finishing off your targets. A single bomb is rarely enough to kill a GT unless its a really small one like a light AA position 


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and light and heavy fighters get cap points for defending after capture       which seems ridiculous to me       

 

there's almost no way that a bomber will get a single cap point from defending, because your only job is to hotfoot it to the next cap

 

GAs can certainly defend and get cap points that way, too

 

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I think it's Light Fighters and Multi-roles that get points for defending.

 

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No kidding.  Not GAs?

Heavies most certainly do.    I didn't even think about MRs because I don't think about MRs
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View PostCaptain_Underpants53, on 22 July 2020 - 08:38 AM, said:

I think it's Light Fighters and Multi-roles that get points for defending.

 

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Huh?   Shooting down red makes capture/defense progress whatever you're flying. 

 

 


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View PostCaptain_Underpants53, on 22 July 2020 - 01:38 PM, said:

I think it's Light Fighters and Multi-roles that get points for defending.

 

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All classes can get capture points from any sources. Light fighters can finish off ground targets and they'll get capture points, just like how Bombers can shoot down hostile aircraft over friendly sectors for defense points. It's just that classes are set up to specialize in one or the other, and the points rewarded vary with whatever it was destroyed. And the chevron-based missions also vary with the class, so you don't have to go bomber hunting on a GAA.


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Certain GAs can be quite effective at killing (mainly) other GAs & in the lower tiers with 4 bot GAs per team you can get a constant stream of them coming at a cap  -> lots of Defense cap points.

 

I actually wound up doing a fair chunk of the last ~1/4 of Specialising B-17G by flying low defending caps since I seemed to be making more XP that way than bombing.


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I guess I was thinking of the points for defending, not capturing.
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hoom #16 Posted 23 July 2020 - 07:16 AM

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So are we.

Killing an enemy aircraft while over an unlocked Friendly cap gives you Capture points in 'When defending sectors'.

Bomber specialisation requires 'Capture points' which includes both 'When defending sectors' and 'When attacking sectors'.

 

Edit: there is also Personal points 'For defending sectors' which I believe includes damage to enemies while defending.


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Just adding @OP: you get the Capture points at the point of destroying the last sub-target in a Ground target.

 

It could be that someone did all the damage to everything in the ground target except the last 1 hitpoint (and will receive Personal Points 'For capturing sectors') but whoever gets that last damage on the last sub-target gets all the Capture points for that target.


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