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Silence6966 #1 Posted 22 May 2020 - 05:02 PM

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I always wondered why they decided to make tier 1 interwar planes, some of the coolest planes to fly would be ww1 planes, sopwith camels, fokker dr1, spad, se5a, bleriots, the first gotha bombers, etc,is it because the russians didn't have any? anyway I think they should reshuffle the tiers, and add ww1 planes as tier 1 planes, some of the middle tiers could be rejigged and would make planes we already have better as they would be flying against planes they would be more suited to flying against. add a few planes like the italian and french (yes they had some pretty nice planes, maybe in an all euro line. ) and bring back bomber escort and attrition game modes, make them choices and not force people, you would see within a week if those game modes are popular enough to keep.

start making weekly events, giving out planes that you cannot buy but can only earn in the event, have monthly events where you do something similiar, make them predicated on overall performance, encourage team play, have special things you can only get if you fly in flights. etc.
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American-F2a1, P36c, P-38f, XP55,
British-Bulldog, venom,Spitfire1,SpitfireV ,SpitfireXIV,Vampire, Attacker, Hurricane1, Tornado, Typhoon, Tempest,
Japanese- Type91,KI431,KI45  KI 61, KI102,
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losttwo #2 Posted 22 May 2020 - 06:00 PM

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I agree that Wargaming should have a " PRE " tier set of planes

Every since I started this game in CB I wanted a Sopwith Camel and other WW1 planes.

Many people have suggested it several times.

 

The problem with many of our suggestions is that they do not fit the WARGAMING dot NET vision of

what they want for a warplanes game.

 

That is the key to the entire " visionary " of suggestions for THEIR game.

 

When is the last time you say a person with a Masters in Mechanical Engineering perform brain surgery at a hospital.

 

The company already has special events for various things.

Christmas events and summer events and ....well...just look in the achievement and medal section and see what you are missing.

 

SOme of what you mention WG has and will continue doing.

Other things you have mentioned just doesn't fit their vision of the game.

 



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View Postlosttwo, on 22 May 2020 - 11:00 AM, said:

I agree that Wargaming should have a " PRE " tier set of planes

Every since I started this game in CB I wanted a Sopwith Camel and other WW1 planes.

Many people have suggested it several times.

 

The problem with many of our suggestions is that they do not fit the WARGAMING dot NET vision of

what they want for a warplanes game.

 

That is the key to the entire " visionary " of suggestions for THEIR game.

 

When is the last time you say a person with a Masters in Mechanical Engineering perform brain surgery at a hospital.

 

The company already has special events for various things.

Christmas events and summer events and ....well...just look in the achievement and medal section and see what you are missing.

 

SOme of what you mention WG has and will continue doing.

Other things you have mentioned just doesn't fit their vision of the game.

 

yeah im pretty certain they didnt start with ww1 planes as tier 1 because the russians didnt actually have any. its too bad because it would add some serious fun to the game.

I think one issue with this game is that the "era" are not well thought out or defined, and some planes are anachronistic. it also doesnt take into account the actual fights. for instance, the bf109 is a tier four but in reality it was fighting mainly against planes that would be tier 2 and 3 early in the war. the ju87 was also used mainly as a gournd attacker later but early on was actually competitive with the what we see in game as tier 2- and 3 planes because it was heavily armored and had solid guns. I dont know how they would do it, but making the game more realistic that way might be fun, the germans early on had huge advantages in science and their aircraft were pretty far ahead of most countries, it wasnt until midway through that the allies started to keep up.


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Germans-Ar-67, spitv DB605, BF109B, BF109E, BF110e, ME410, BF109z,ME209A,MEP1092
American-F2a1, P36c, P-38f, XP55,
British-Bulldog, venom,Spitfire1,SpitfireV ,SpitfireXIV,Vampire, Attacker, Hurricane1, Tornado, Typhoon, Tempest,
Japanese- Type91,KI431,KI45  KI 61, KI102,
Israeli-S199 best plane ever
international-b-534,

But Corvus says I only fly vampires and spitfires and Corvus knows everything.

Silence6966 #4 Posted 22 May 2020 - 06:46 PM

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as for events, it would be nice if they had more events that were more than just X3 for the weekend stuff, I do like when they encourage people to fly axis or allies, that would be a great game mode. and maybe allow us to choose to be up or downtiered, if you are a lower tier, give you some sort of exp bonus especially if you do well. you dont need to penalise guys but reward the guys who do well
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Russian- I-16e, I-17,Yak7m82, Yak3rd, la5, I210, I220 Yak3, yak1m, yak 15, 
Germans-Ar-67, spitv DB605, BF109B, BF109E, BF110e, ME410, BF109z,ME209A,MEP1092
American-F2a1, P36c, P-38f, XP55,
British-Bulldog, venom,Spitfire1,SpitfireV ,SpitfireXIV,Vampire, Attacker, Hurricane1, Tornado, Typhoon, Tempest,
Japanese- Type91,KI431,KI45  KI 61, KI102,
Israeli-S199 best plane ever
international-b-534,

But Corvus says I only fly vampires and spitfires and Corvus knows everything.

crzyhawk #5 Posted 22 May 2020 - 06:59 PM

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We Americans didn't really have much in the line of WW1 aircraft either.  I think they did it the right way more or less, although I think they'd have been better off making 1945 the cut off rather than Korean war stuff.  You know there was no way the Russians were going to leave out their precious MiG-15 though.

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Silence6966 #6 Posted 22 May 2020 - 07:24 PM

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the americans used mostly french planes, the spad and se5, but if each country was just given a single tier 1 fighter that would have been enough and make tier 2 the interwar stuff, anyway , maybe they can do some sort of add on like another flying game did lol but yeah you knew they had to have their mig. lol
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Russian- I-16e, I-17,Yak7m82, Yak3rd, la5, I210, I220 Yak3, yak1m, yak 15, 
Germans-Ar-67, spitv DB605, BF109B, BF109E, BF110e, ME410, BF109z,ME209A,MEP1092
American-F2a1, P36c, P-38f, XP55,
British-Bulldog, venom,Spitfire1,SpitfireV ,SpitfireXIV,Vampire, Attacker, Hurricane1, Tornado, Typhoon, Tempest,
Japanese- Type91,KI431,KI45  KI 61, KI102,
Israeli-S199 best plane ever
international-b-534,

But Corvus says I only fly vampires and spitfires and Corvus knows everything.

LMG #7 Posted 22 May 2020 - 08:33 PM

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I think I recall them saying that WWI planes were far too slow, even for the smallest maps in the game. A quick google search shows that the fastest plane in WWI was Ansaldo SVA at 230 km/h (142 mph). The slowest tier 1 plane goes at 260 km/h, and those already have a painful time flying around in the low tier map pool.

 

Even the TSh-2 flies at 240 km/h when stock :sceptic:


Edited by LMG, 22 May 2020 - 08:34 PM.

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 yeah im pretty certain they didnt start with ww1 planes as tier 1 because the russians didnt actually have any.

 Yeah I'm pretty certain that you are pig ignorant on that.

 

Pre-WWI Russian civil aviation was very active & at the start of WWI Russia had the 2nd biggest airforce, with a bunch of domestic designs.

 

Russian industry/development was pretty weak during the war so most of what they actually flew in terms of fighters was foreign imports & license-built foreign designs like SPADs, Sopwith & Niewports (similar to USA & even England flew a bunch of French types)

They even had a Sopwith triplane which still exists


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prob not enough people left to do a whole reshuffle of all the lines       

 

WG, just give us absolutely identical T1s in different nation colors, and let us organize our own events 


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it is always interesting when someone cannot be bothered to read but posts a strong opinion, almost always one that is wrong.
Hoom instead of mouthing off, try reading, thinking and then posting. I literally said the Russians did not have any ww1 planes of their own, and then you called me pig ignorant and repeated what I said basically, .  the context is that the russians would not have a tier 1 plane of their own design, hence my post. I believe the earliest russian designs came post ww1 in the interwar years. you claim they had the second largest airforce full of their own designs in ww1, I call, [edited]and ask that you source such a grandiose claim. the truth is I know far more about military aviation than you do. I have probably forgotten more than you ever knew. so next time, like I said, read, think then post, in that order especially before calling someone else ignorant.

Edited by Silence6966, 22 May 2020 - 10:21 PM.

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Russian- I-16e, I-17,Yak7m82, Yak3rd, la5, I210, I220 Yak3, yak1m, yak 15, 
Germans-Ar-67, spitv DB605, BF109B, BF109E, BF110e, ME410, BF109z,ME209A,MEP1092
American-F2a1, P36c, P-38f, XP55,
British-Bulldog, venom,Spitfire1,SpitfireV ,SpitfireXIV,Vampire, Attacker, Hurricane1, Tornado, Typhoon, Tempest,
Japanese- Type91,KI431,KI45  KI 61, KI102,
Israeli-S199 best plane ever
international-b-534,

But Corvus says I only fly vampires and spitfires and Corvus knows everything.

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Nothing quite like someone too full of himself to have an open mind.

 

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hoom #12 Posted 22 May 2020 - 11:57 PM

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Yup, pig ignorant.

 

You can start with reading this

And you can read up on this guy https://en.wikipedia.../Pyotr_Nesterov

Ever heard of Sikorsky?

This http://wio.ru/ww1a.htm has a bunch of pics of Russian WWI Airforce including domestic designs

Also https://www.military...ry-aircraft.asp


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View Posthoom, on 22 May 2020 - 11:57 PM, said:

Yup, pig ignorant.

 

You can start with reading this

And you can read up on this guy https://en.wikipedia.../Pyotr_Nesterov

Ever heard of Sikorsky?

This http://wio.ru/ww1a.htm has a bunch of pics of Russian WWI Airforce including domestic designs

Also https://www.military...ry-aircraft.asp


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Silence6966 #15 Posted 23 May 2020 - 06:02 AM

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Hoom, the only ignorant person here is you, Try reading this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Russian_Air_Service pay close attention to the part where they say they had very few russian designs in service, and of those designs, only 2 were even armed, the bulk of the russian airforce being unarmed french planes. if you want to try and come off as knowledgeable, its good to actually know what you are talking about.
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Russian- I-16e, I-17,Yak7m82, Yak3rd, la5, I210, I220 Yak3, yak1m, yak 15, 
Germans-Ar-67, spitv DB605, BF109B, BF109E, BF110e, ME410, BF109z,ME209A,MEP1092
American-F2a1, P36c, P-38f, XP55,
British-Bulldog, venom,Spitfire1,SpitfireV ,SpitfireXIV,Vampire, Attacker, Hurricane1, Tornado, Typhoon, Tempest,
Japanese- Type91,KI431,KI45  KI 61, KI102,
Israeli-S199 best plane ever
international-b-534,

But Corvus says I only fly vampires and spitfires and Corvus knows everything.

Silence6966 #16 Posted 23 May 2020 - 06:04 AM

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View PostCaptain_Underpants53, on 22 May 2020 - 04:49 PM, said:

Nothing quite like someone too full of himself to have an open mind.

 

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yeah you would think Hoom would know better


If at first you don't succeed, give up loser, you suck. or man up, get better and win

Russian- I-16e, I-17,Yak7m82, Yak3rd, la5, I210, I220 Yak3, yak1m, yak 15, 
Germans-Ar-67, spitv DB605, BF109B, BF109E, BF110e, ME410, BF109z,ME209A,MEP1092
American-F2a1, P36c, P-38f, XP55,
British-Bulldog, venom,Spitfire1,SpitfireV ,SpitfireXIV,Vampire, Attacker, Hurricane1, Tornado, Typhoon, Tempest,
Japanese- Type91,KI431,KI45  KI 61, KI102,
Israeli-S199 best plane ever
international-b-534,

But Corvus says I only fly vampires and spitfires and Corvus knows everything.

Captain_Underpants53 #17 Posted 23 May 2020 - 06:34 AM

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View PostSilence6966, on 23 May 2020 - 01:04 AM, said:

yeah you would think Hoom would know better


As Corvus would say, 'the ultimate in irony'. 

 

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  yeah im pretty certain they didnt start with ww1 planes as tier 1 because the russians didnt actually have any.

Is an ignorant claim of NONE.

 

I provided evidence they had some, infact had one of the biggest airforces at the start of the war and pioneered aspects of aerial combat in WWI.

Even if the domestic designs wouldn't be suitable clearly they had import/license-built planes equivalent to other nations.

 

Aside from that:

I don't believe WWI aircraft are appropriate mainly because WoT & WoWS both start with inter-war designs, no reason for WoWP to change that precedent.

But also because of the flight-model: they'd feel like they're barely moving & even the smallest maps would be a chore to get around.


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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Russian_Air_Service

 

Let me just put this here and see what happens



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View Postlosttwo, on 23 May 2020 - 03:50 AM, said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Russian_Air_Service

 

Let me just put this here and see what happens


LOL, like facts will change his opinions which, of course, are much truer to his fantasies than mere facts.

 

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