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Well, it's official, I hate the FW-190. This plane sucks so hard

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CorvusCorvax #1 Posted 04 May 2020 - 09:25 PM

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What really sucks is that I actually carried in this battle - after not having played this plane in months.  4 tokens.  Missed Marseilles by 3 seconds.  But much more importantly - German PP for the free pilot.  23k more PP and the pilot is mine!

Too bad this particular MRF sucks so much.  LOL, just LOL.



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Historical highflying multiroles (i.e. Jugs and Fw 190s) got neutered hard by being deprived of altitude and not gaining anything in return (no, no maneuvering penalty for ordnance does not count because they're already bad on that front and you wouldn't be turning with them most times anyhow)

 

The Fw 190 today is a heavy that can't boost as hard as a heavy can while not having much more maneuverability than them......



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View Postpyantoryng, on 04 May 2020 - 09:37 PM, said:

Historical highflying multiroles (i.e. Jugs and Fw 190s) got neutered hard by being deprived of altitude and not gaining anything in return (no, no maneuvering penalty for ordnance does not count because they're already bad on that front and you wouldn't be turning with them most times anyhow)

 

The Fw 190 today is a heavy that can't boost as hard as a heavy can while not having much more maneuverability than them......


I find that playing it just like a heavy pays off big.  Turn in the vertical.  Use the roll rate to keep guns on-target.  Turn in the horizontal ONLY if going after stuff you absolutely know can't turn with you.  The guns just erase stuff lighter than HFs and bombers.  The FW-190 is the cure for inbound GAA.  Bot bombers are too stupid to fly high enough to get away from them, and sometimes humans fly their bombers too low, too.


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I agree with your title.

It is a horrible GAA and works better as a fighter:B



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I'm not good with it, but I admit to enjoying it.  If things don't pay attention, they just...melt.

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Well I have to say part of the reason is that the enemy T6 performs poorly and obviously their top performer (the T5s) can't effectively stop you...

 

I still want to try Fw 190 but just don't dare to do that....



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View Postvcharng, on 05 May 2020 - 11:03 AM, said:

Well I have to say part of the reason is that the enemy T6 performs poorly and obviously their top performer (the T5s) can't effectively stop you...

 

I still want to try Fw 190 but just don't dare to do that....

 

Do you ever look at something and not think of a way to diminish an achievement? Maybe the reason the T6 performed so poorly because Corvus stomped his shitfire-flying face in?

 

I mean, a guy gets a good result and all you say is "well its because their tier 6 was bad and the other T5s couldn't touch you". Dude. The P-40 is a serious threat to an A-5 if the A-5 isn't flown properly. The Beaufighter isn't a slouch. 

 

People don't haul in 15k+ wins without doing SOMETHING right. And usually because the other guy did something wrong. If the other team did everything right they wouldn't have lost, would they?


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View PostSpiritFoxMY, on 05 May 2020 - 06:16 AM, said:

 

Do you ever look at something and not think of a way to diminish an achievement? Maybe the reason the T6 performed so poorly because Corvus stomped his shitfire-flying face in?

 

I mean, a guy gets a good result and all you say is "well its because their tier 6 was bad and the other T5s couldn't touch you". Dude. The P-40 is a serious threat to an A-5 if the A-5 isn't flown properly. The Beaufighter isn't a slouch. 

 

People don't haul in 15k+ wins without doing SOMETHING right. And usually because the other guy did something wrong. If the other team did everything right they wouldn't have lost, would they?

Actually, I usually get 15k+ PP wins on games that I nearly lost.

When flying planes I'm most familiar with, I often win my games too soon and thus have pretty bad PP.

 

Take a look at the outcome. 800:726, Kozedub (or whatever it is spelled) medal, these are all signs of a prolonged match.

17k PP with only 3rd class badge (three chevrons) is also alarming. He probably had to deviate from some of the MRs supposed jobs to win this (such as engaging outside a cap).

 

From my experience fighting with and against Corvus, he should've been able to win the game sooner if he was flying a different plane.

 

That's why I said this example doesn't really assure me to try to Fw line.



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View PostCorvusCorvax, on 04 May 2020 - 11:56 AM, said:

The guns just erase stuff lighter than HFs and bombers. .

 

If you can manage to hit them before they go wizzing by, lol.  Then it's afterburners and GTFO while they chew on your tail for a while.

 


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On a similar note, couple of days back I had to commiserate with the P-51H driver, who, saddled with such a miserable plane, was barely able to scrape 21k points on the other side of the match.  :great::teethhappy:

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View PostSpiritFoxMY, on 05 May 2020 - 06:16 AM, said:

 

 Maybe the reason the T6 performed so poorly because Corvus stomped his shitfire-flying face in?

 


Shot him down twice while he was spinning in the central garrison.  Twice.  Saved the sector from getting flipped.  Twice.

 

That battle turned right after squall line because As I was leaving the central garrison to flip the NE CC, I met three bots relatively low on health, and spent 20 seconds upsetting team balance.

 

The key to this battle (and anytime you play the FW planes) was to fly within the parameters of the aircraft, take shots where they existed, and GTFO when they didn't.  Indeed, several of the shootdowns happened outside of zones.  When you're in transit, and you're flying against a current of red bots and humans, you have to sometimes change the odds, so you can get where you're going.

 

The GREAT thing about this plane is the powerful guns - you have the guns of a HF, and they are quite accurate.  Because my team was lackluster, I spent a bunch of time transiting zones, and also met way too many reds in between.  Better to take five seconds to shoot them down then try and drag them into a zone and then do something with them once you're there.  Keeping the blue side of the map blue was just about all I could do until squall line.  Then things opened up, and I was able to actually get superiority for a whole 30 seconds before they re-took a garrison.  By then, we had a 2:1 advantage in airplanes, and the bombers weren't going to change the outcome.  Taking the stubborn NW CC (with the dang red ADA dragging me through the flak) was the key to that.

If I had been shot down at any time, we would have lost, because I needed every single second of that battle to try and do something.

 

The poor guy in the P-40 fell to my guns in the last 30 seconds while he was chasing after a blue bot MRF.  It was pretty much over by then, and I should have let him go, but I was thinking of the Marseilles...

The whole battle, while my guys were kind of sucking, I was running around trying to put out fires.  But it is an example of what this plane can do - IF you fly it within its parameters.  When I selected it, I told myself I was going to fly it the correct way, and damn the results.  Win or lose, fly the plane to maximize the strengths and minimize the weaknesses. 

 

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View Postvcharng, on 05 May 2020 - 01:39 AM, said:

Actually, I usually get 15k+ PP wins on games that I nearly lost.

When flying planes I'm most familiar with, I often win my games too soon and thus have pretty bad PP.

 

 

As you get better with those planes you can purposely drag out matches to get more points or complete missions faster.  Instead of just being about winning it becomes about how much can you drag it out and still win.  It does backfire from time to time when you get too cocky but that's how you test your limits to know how far you can drag it out next time.  It is a very fine balancing act.  



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View Post12_inch_Hawk, on 05 May 2020 - 03:21 PM, said:

 

As you get better with those planes you can purposely drag out matches to get more points or complete missions faster.  Instead of just being about winning it becomes about how much can you drag it out and still win.  It does backfire from time to time when you get too cocky but that's how you test your limits to know how far you can drag it out next time.  It is a very fine balancing act.  

Uhhhhhhhhhh yeah I tried that before but unless it's a PVE match I usually won't try again...

There were times when me and my teammate tried our best to drag the match but couldn't, we still won at like 5 minutes.



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gj, Corvus        still not enough to get me to dust off the D, which is the only 190 that i didn't rage-sell         i'm not wired to fly a LF like that

 

however, and this might be something...    last time i flew a 190, i was using a tracer mod which obscured the giant shells, they all looked the same and i was unable to remove the mod

 

with a new pc now, with no mods, i can now see and walk those giant pale green shells onto targets, and i've never been able to do that before

 

this might help me      it's really helped with the c-6       i'm even considering russian derp guns       i got the i-220 a couple of weeks ago, but haven't flown it yet       wish me luck


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View Posttrikke, on 24 May 2020 - 06:16 PM, said:

 i got the i-220 a couple of weeks ago, but haven't flown it yet       wish me luck

Manage the overheat.  The rest of it is stuff you already know from the I-210.

 

The Dora is a funny plane.  If you can get top tier, you can carry with it.  Get downtiered?  Ugggh.  Role-play, and maybe you get lucky.







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