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vcharng #1 Posted 23 April 2020 - 07:38 AM

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I found that this idea is surprisingly popular, that LF should and could only go to airbase/ forward airfields.

I just got my stock 288C and is in extremely desperate need of victories. 

But right now I have virtually zero win rate. because it's a stock plane and is therefore weaker, and so I lose and lose and lose and can't get any experience, with no experience there's no upgrade and no upgrade there's no victory, and no victory there's no experience.

 

And I have been denied my victory over and over again because my sole teammate either chose to fly a useless mustang or to hog to the most meaningless cap the whole game while keep pinging the map and telling me to do this do that.

How the F am I supposed to capture a plant when the enemy is shooting everyone else down? I only have 8 SD250 every 50 seconds, and the enemy can shoot down 10 planes in the meantime. How are we supposed to win if you don't keep the enemy at bay?

 

Airbases are hardly the most important cap in a map, there are usually caps with far greater strategic importance like CCs, military base and plants.

I can understand that you don't want to go to a plant in your LF since you can't kill the ground targets, but how about defending them? There will be constant feed of enemy bot GAAs and they are stupid, you can actually kill them in your LF. For Military Base and especially CCs you should definitely actively attack and defend them in your LF. there's only light ADAs in a CC, and they are perfect food for your LFs.

 

Just seriously please, get your mind right, LF is far more than just hogging to the Airbase at the center.


Edited by vcharng, 23 April 2020 - 09:03 AM.


hoom #2 Posted 23 April 2020 - 08:50 AM

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Just sell it & be done with.

I think it took me 9 battles in 288C before I got my first win for the same reason.

 

Bombers are pointless until you get the T9/10 specialised with Ultimate equipment & 15pt pilots now.

 

Fly a Light non-specialist with no/basic equipment & no/low skill points, you can still go out & win a bunch of battles relatively easy, not a bomber.


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SpiritFoxMY #3 Posted 23 April 2020 - 08:52 AM

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lol. You'll find that this will be the single biggest reason for losses in high tier bombers - idiots in Yaks, Messerschmitts and others of that ilk endlessly circling the mid airfield and surrendering the rest of the map to the enemy team while you desperately try to flip caps in a single pass just to make up for lost time.

 

I once lost a match on Albion in my Ju287 against an XF-90 and an F-84B. Not because I couldn't cap or that the XF-90 was headhunting me but because the idiot in the center airfield couldn't even spin properly and kept getting his [edited]shot off by bots or the enemy XF-90 and lost the cap... three times.


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SpiritFoxMY #4 Posted 23 April 2020 - 08:55 AM

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View Posthoom, on 23 April 2020 - 04:50 PM, said:

Just sell it & be done with.

I think it took me 9 battles in 288C before I got my first win for the same reason.

 

Bombers are pointless until you get the T9/10 specialised with Ultimate equipment & 15pt pilots now.

 

Fly a Light non-specialist with no/basic equipment & no/low skill points, you can still go out & win a bunch of battles relatively easy, not a bomber.

 

Disagree - I still get good work done down in tier 7 in an unspec Ju288A with a five point crew and you don't need to have more than a five point crew to do well in the high tier bombers either. The main issue is that bombers are rather dependent on bots not being total idiots because unlike a fighter, you can't do anything to save their sorry asses.

 

Unless you're a Russian bomber then it is entirely possible for you to do things to save your bot's sorry asses.


Edited by SpiritFoxMY, 23 April 2020 - 08:56 AM.

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vcharng #5 Posted 23 April 2020 - 08:59 AM

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View Posthoom, on 23 April 2020 - 08:50 AM, said:

Bombers are pointless until you get the T9/10 specialised with Ultimate equipment & 15pt pilots now.

 

Yes and that's why I'm trying to work my way to T9...

I already skipped half the cancer called T7...



GonerNL #6 Posted 23 April 2020 - 09:00 AM

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Every now & then I have a decent match in the B-17G, but most of the time I'm only running away from or getting killed by bot heavies.

And like OP says you really need to get plane and crew exp to be able to defend yourself. Difficult ..


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vcharng #7 Posted 23 April 2020 - 09:00 AM

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View PostSpiritFoxMY, on 23 April 2020 - 08:52 AM, said:

 

I once lost a match on Albion in my Ju287 against an XF-90 and an F-84B. Not because I couldn't cap or that the XF-90 was headhunting me but because the idiot in the center airfield couldn't even spin properly and kept getting his [edited]shot off by bots or the enemy XF-90 and lost the cap... three times.

This is practically same story I just got earlier in my Ju 288. It was against two Goblins and my teammate was a 1092.



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View PostGonerNL, on 23 April 2020 - 09:00 AM, said:

Every now & then I have a decent match in the B-17G, but most of the time I'm only running away from or getting killed by bot heavies.

And like OP says you really need to get plane and crew exp to be able to defend yourself. Difficult ..

Yeah so when I'm on my 287 I'm gonna be wise and save up enough FEs to just downright skip the whole grind.

FE prepared, token prepared, boom get full specialist in first day.

Which, unfortunately, is about 200k exp away from me right now.

 

edit: I calculated, it's actually about 300K experience away...


Edited by vcharng, 23 April 2020 - 10:05 AM.


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View Postvcharng, on 23 April 2020 - 05:00 PM, said:

This is practically same story I just got earlier in my Ju 288. It was against two Goblins and my teammate was a 1092.


Ok, Imma go out on a limb and ask if the 1092 was from G___A or F___O. You know... because I'm an [Edited] :trollface:


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vcharng #10 Posted 23 April 2020 - 09:05 AM

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View PostSpiritFoxMY, on 23 April 2020 - 09:04 AM, said:


Ok, Imma go out on a limb and ask if the 1092 was from G___A or F___O. You know... because I'm an [Edited] :trollface:

I was thrown into too many steamrolls in too short period of time that I forgot.



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I know that frustrating feeling.

Working on the daily mission < 200 AA > yesterday.

Just about every match was with idiots, bots and humans.

They would fly to a cap and circle like vultures and not even try to shoot ADA to cap a sector.

I felt like I needed a name change to losttwentyfive flying my GAA.

The worst part is that the game was so broken. I would actually cap for the red team.

Seriously, BOOM BOOM BOOM and then the cap turns red.

I was like wth.

I eventually had to stop playing for a bit due to rage chatting and quitting matches.

Poor Closed Coffin in his XF90 probably thought I was talking to him in 1 match.

I was so frustrated I was yelling at the bots in chat.

" SHOOT DOWN THE WHITE PLANES AND CAP THE SECTOR, YOU IDIOTS "



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I've gotten to the point that I often tell my teammates at the beginning of the game to not get farmed at the airfield.  I mean, as a Spit pilot I get /why/ they want to do it.  I just beg them to not fall into that trap.  It usually fails.

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I've come to the conclusion that the folks who camp that center airfield don't care as much about winning as they do running up big scores.  It does get old.
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Dodger0712 #14 Posted 23 April 2020 - 12:44 PM

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I fly Bombers mostly and some here can vouch for that. The only advice I can offer is work at it, try different setups, but most of all is get your gunner (and yourself) better at shooting down attacking airplanes. Bombers cannot have planes flying directly behind them, turn your plane to the sides. I have taken out more planes attacking my bombers by simply slowing down, they hit you and explode, you fly on. The negative Nancy's will tell you to sell it and be done with it, if I had done that I would have less than half the planes I have. This is also pertinent to those that repeatedly knock the American planes. Hard work pays off tenfold.

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View PostDodger0712, on 23 April 2020 - 12:44 PM, said:

I fly Bombers mostly and some here can vouch for that. The only advice I can offer is work at it, try different setups, but most of all is get your gunner (and yourself) better at shooting down attacking airplanes. Bombers cannot have planes flying directly behind them, turn your plane to the sides. I have taken out more planes attacking my bombers by simply slowing down, they hit you and explode, you fly on. The negative Nancy's will tell you to sell it and be done with it, if I had done that I would have less than half the planes I have. This is also pertinent to those that repeatedly knock the American planes. Hard work pays off tenfold.

Well I don't "knock" US planes, I knock Mustangs.

I don't dare to say "if you see a Fw190 on your team you will lose", or Thunderbolt,

But throughout my mid-tier experience, seeing a Mustang on your side is always an ill omen, even when specced.

 

And I will never forget seeing that FJ-1 who can't shoot down even one plane (he has about 30% WR).



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Just play the other flight game..... where its not on life support...problem fixed

vcharng #17 Posted 23 April 2020 - 03:30 PM

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View PostSlappedbyPatton, on 23 April 2020 - 03:27 PM, said:

Just play the other flight game..... where its not on life support...problem fixed

I actually tried it for 4 hours....

Very unfriendly to GAAs (even more of a fodder than this one), and somehow I have some kind of control issue that only allows me to have about half of the catalog performance (in realistic/simulation).

For example, there's a special aircraft called [a name]'s Bf109A, and in my hands, it flies slower than a Stuka.

Not only that, it says it can fly to blah km/h at 3000m, but when I fly it it won't even climb above 1500m.

 

In the end I concluded that whatever the reason, that game is not going to work for me.


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I think the problem of spinning over a central zone stems from people defaulting to the turniest thing they can get their hands on, and when they realize it's slow and takes forever to get to another zone they stop trying and stay where the action is. This is perpetuated by the fact that they are rewarded with personal points... but a low win rate, which they don't think is their fault since they have a lot of personal points (Reference self licking ice cream cone). To be fair though I see too many bomber pilots floating in the red altitudes racking up nearly zero personal points and moving like a snail as they fight their engines to stay aloft and the crew is suffering from frostbite all while their bomb spread could cover a small nation. I'm not accusing the OP of this sin, but wanted to highlight there are some negative trends in player tactics across platforms that are learned through an interest in self preservation over team contribution.

 

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There is only the 2 maps where I actively go for & attempt to hold the Airfield: I think Road to Rome with the assymetric setup one CC on West, 2 Garrisons on East.

And the island one with CC North, Garrison & Airfield South.

There are a few others where its advantageous to flip Airfield on the way past after capping the more important point.

 

Nearly every other setup I actively avoid Airfields except sprinting in for a Repair.


Edited by hoom, 23 April 2020 - 08:01 PM.

C'est magnifique, mais ce n'est pas le SerB.

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Sometimes you just can't shake the constant stream of enemy flying in when engaged above one - it's either you or them shooting you in your six. Sometimes needing to farm for whatever reason, sometimes for not being offensively-minded enough, sometimes not understanding how the score mechanics work, and other times just plain not caring......

 

Just humans being humans I guess...

 

 



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