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Panoptic #1 Posted 22 April 2020 - 06:33 AM

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After two losses in a row tonight I sold it and free XP'd the remaining 50k to the Hunter. I just didn't want to deal with it anymore.

 

It gave me very little to work with. Speed? not much to speak of. Altitude? haha! Guns? anemic AND overheat too fast. What sorcery is that? Maneuverability? better than the IL-40. But IL-40's rear gunner is pretty strong so approach at your own risk. Rockets? fine. But it takes more than rockets to make a plane competitive or at least enjoyable.

 

To be honest most of this branch felt inadequate. I only kept the Skua and Tornado. I know some people like the Typhoon/Tempest. I didn't feel the urge to keep them.

 

Since I have all the other tier 9 planes I can confidently say my personal list of bad tier 9 planes has been concluded with the addition of the Sea Hawk to the longstanding member I-211.

 

 


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vcharng #2 Posted 22 April 2020 - 08:32 AM

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Uh, two losses in a row isn't all that uncommon, you know.

And yes, Sea Hawk is a notoriously difficult aircraft.

I don't have it but I doubt it would be any worse than my P.228 though....



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I rarely sell any planes, but I sold the SeaHawk.  I never wanted to fly it again.  Sadly, the Hunter has been a big disappointment, too.  Maybe once it is specialized and fully loaded with equipment it gets playable, but I don't think I'm ever going to get there.  I should've stopped this line at the Tempest.

Panoptic #4 Posted 22 April 2020 - 01:48 PM

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View Postvcharng, on 22 April 2020 - 01:32 AM, said:

Uh, two losses in a row isn't all that uncommon, you know.

And yes, Sea Hawk is a notoriously difficult aircraft.

I don't have it but I doubt it would be any worse than my P.228 though....

 

It wasn't so much the losses in themselves, but how helpless the plane felt each time. Bullied by every half decent human player without much defense. I just couldn't make it fit a role successfully. I am interested to hear from people that succeeded in that. I am sure there are people that do well in it.

 

But P.228 is one of my favorites. The entire British heavy line was. I don't think I have completed any branch faster. 

Leave the ordnance in hangar. Build the thing for speed and don't grapple with light planes. Those pesky spec'd T9-10 bombers are your main target.


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View PostPanoptic, on 22 April 2020 - 01:48 PM, said:

 

It wasn't so much the losses in themselves, but how helpless the plane felt each time. Bullied by every half decent human player without much defense.

Can relate.

My P228 also feels very hopeless.

It's not that they can't hit thing, it's that they can't hit thing "within the cap zone" (a common problem for high-tier HF).



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View PostPanoptic, on 22 April 2020 - 01:33 AM, said:

After two losses in a row tonight I sold it and free XP'd the remaining 50k to the Hunter. I just didn't want to deal with it anymore.

 

It gave me very little to work with. Speed? not much to speak of. Altitude? haha! Guns? anemic AND overheat too fast. What sorcery is that? Maneuverability? better than the IL-40. But IL-40's rear gunner is pretty strong so approach at your own risk. Rockets? fine. But it takes more than rockets to make a plane competitive or at least enjoyable.

 

To be honest most of this branch felt inadequate. I only kept the Skua and Tornado. I know some people like the Typhoon/Tempest. I didn't feel the urge to keep them.

 

Since I have all the other tier 9 planes I can confidently say my personal list of bad tier 9 planes has been concluded with the addition of the Sea Hawk to the longstanding member I-211.

 

 

 

I hate most of the British planes above tier 5.  :sceptic:  But I no longer sell planes.


 


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Panoptic #7 Posted 22 April 2020 - 02:17 PM

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View Postvcharng, on 22 April 2020 - 06:54 AM, said:

Can relate.

My P228 also feels very hopeless.

It's not that they can't hit thing, it's that they can't hit thing "within the cap zone" (a common problem for high-tier HF).

 

When you figure out the P.228 your E/B will jump up a few hundred points. Feel free to send me a flight invite and I will show you what the P.228 is capable of. I am looking for an excuse to play the thing.



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View PostSkyWolf__WM, on 22 April 2020 - 07:10 AM, said:

 

I hate most of the British planes above tier 5.  :sceptic:  But I no longer sell planes.


 

 

I used to keep them all too. But I couldn't explain keeping planes that I just didn't want to play again so I sold a bunch including British multiroles, and most Soviet planes. A lot of Russian planes are just... unexciting. I have kept most US and German planes and a lot of Japanese ones. Looking forward to the new skilled pilots.



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View PostSkyWolf__WM, on 22 April 2020 - 02:10 PM, said:

 

I hate most of the British planes above tier 5.  :sceptic:  But I no longer sell planes.


 

At least P.1056 is good, worth a try.



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I like it and am working on specializing. But I am a glutton for punishment when it comes to multi-roles. I just wish I could keep the bombs after I specialize it :(

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View PostVeebat, on 22 April 2020 - 11:05 PM, said:

I like it and am working on specializing. But I am a glutton for punishment when it comes to multi-roles. I just wish I could keep the bombs after I specialize it :(

 

You might be able to - Both the Typhoon and the Tempest get to keep their bombs after specialization.


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Compared to flying difficult stuff like the Fw 190 and Thunderbolt trees the Sea Hawk is Easy Mode

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Panoptic #13 Posted 22 April 2020 - 06:21 PM

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View PostCaptain_Rownd, on 22 April 2020 - 09:40 AM, said:

Compared to flying difficult stuff like the Fw 190 and Thunderbolt trees the Sea Hawk is Easy Mode

 

I hear you about the Fw 190. I had trouble with it when I first unlocked it. With weak pilots and a poor sense of equipment/skill/plane stats as a fairly new player it was a difficult airframe. But I recently played the premium Fw 190 A-8 again and was able to make the guns useful. With tips from SpiritFoxMY I equipped it properly, specialized it and now quite enjoy it. I liked it enough to buy the tech tree versions. 

 

Turns out there is a method to the madness of the Fw 190. Learning to handle its guns helped me get more out of my XP-36F, MiG9 and MiG15.

 

The Sea Hawk I just couldn't get to work reliably. And that's at my current performance level not as a noob with the Fws my first round. I realize there is probably a way to make it work. Maybe one of the top pilots can share how they use the Sea Hawk.


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Reitousair #14 Posted 22 April 2020 - 08:57 PM

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I quite love the Sea Hawk myself, it's one of my most played tier 9 planes.

 

The Sea Hawk kind of fills in the niche that the Corsairs/Hawkers had in earlier tiers; a flexible MRF. However it trades some raw dogfighting capability for a much better altitude game, having great dive acceleration and a very strong burst climb which lets it pursue HF's that try to attack it if you get good at forcing overshoots. It's pretty hilarious dodging out of the way of an F2H only to chase it in a climb and kill it, then get called a hacker. It's generally good at shutting down heavier planes flying below their optimal altitudes like the P.228 and F-94D.

 

It suffers at dealing with most LF's though since while the turn time is subpar, it's not great at flying slow and the elevators are a bit stiff to boot. And despite the great dive acceleration and strong boost, it's generally not enough to run away from stuff like the MiG-9 and Attacker (but it's good enough to run away from the P.1092 which is the most common LF you'll see.) Oh, and I don't believe I mentioned the speed, the Sea Hawk is a decently fast plane if you equip it with bombs and not rockets, the bombs also reload in 60s compared to the rockets' 90s so they're generally better to take if you plan on dealing with aircraft. But 900KPH boost speed and 1000KPH dive speed that can actually be utilized is worth mentioning for an MRF at tier 9.

 

The guns are pretty serviceable; while their DPS isn't particularly high they're tightly grouped and can actually out DPS planes like the P.1092 occasionally which can take people by surprise. Though managing your weapon heat is pretty important since sometimes the guns just don't work due to mediocre accuracy (even if you aim slightly above where you want to shoot to compensate for gun placement) and the gun cooling isn't anything special.

 

Wouldn't call the Sea Hawk a good plane per se, and it suffers at 1v1 combat, but it's a very versatile plane and when specialized can be a nuisance to anything that has more than 11s turn time; can outclimb, outdive, and nearly outspeed everything it outturns.

 

...Just play Tempest though, tier 8 doesn't get uptiered nearly as much as tier 9, and the Sea Hawk suffers greatly against tier 10 planes.


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View PostReitousair, on 22 April 2020 - 08:57 PM, said:

 Sea Hawk is a decently fast plane if you equip it with bombs and not rockets,

 

That's gonna be an issue since just like P 1099B-2 this bars you from speccing the Sea Hawk.

 

And since you mentioned Tempest I'd like to ask, because catalog-wise it looks like it's gonna suffer just like F2G...



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View Postvcharng, on 22 April 2020 - 02:12 PM, said:

That's gonna be an issue since just like P 1099B-2 this bars you from speccing the Sea Hawk.

 

And since you mentioned Tempest I'd like to ask, because catalog-wise it looks like it's gonna suffer just like F2G...

 

Sea Hawk can use bombs or rockets when specialized, I don't see the problem here?

 

Tempest suffers against Vampires and Ho-229's, but then again many planes suffer against tier 8 meta planes. However other than the extreme outliers Tempest, like the F2G is a good, versatile plane that can both attack and defend caps, as well as attack both air and ground targets. They can do a lot of work and on certain maps practically carry teams thanks to their superb flexibility. Even against the Vampire they usually approach at very high speeds so the Tempest (and in limited cases, the F2G) can try to leverage the power of slow to win initial maneuvers against a Vampire which will hopefully be all that's needed.


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View PostReitousair, on 22 April 2020 - 09:22 PM, said:

 

Sea Hawk can use bombs or rockets when specialized, I don't see the problem here?

 

That's pretty weird, because Me 262, for example, cannot take bombs when specced, only R4M.

So I thought if you spec a plane you can only choose the last outboard option or not mounting anything. I thought this applies to everyone.



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View Postvcharng, on 22 April 2020 - 02:44 PM, said:

That's pretty weird, because Me 262, for example, cannot take bombs when specced, only R4M.

So I thought if you spec a plane you can only choose the last outboard option or not mounting anything. I thought this applies to everyone.

 

Typhoon, Tempest, and Sea Hawk are exceptions. It's a special characteristic of them that should be a standard feature but I apparently it was too hard for Persha to do so on literally every other plane. Maybe it has to do with all of them having ordnance exclusive to them?


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I liked it enough to keep it around & Specialise but my Equipment build is distinctly mediocre, haven't really flown it since Specialising.

Tried to use it for getting Rocket kills but it doesn't seem to be much good for that.

 

Have been meaning to re-spec it for the bombs & just did, plus plopped on some better equipment & took it for a Test.

Only to find I'm rocking a magnificent 650ms+ latency at the moment... :facepalm:

 

Anyways: its one of those planes thats not especially strong at anything but has no particular weakness either

Its one of if not the best looking T9

4* 20mm in the nose, they're not particularly high dps but tight grouping, decent burst length & reasonable range means they can do a decent amount of damage.

Decent speed, not spectacular but OK.

Turns OK, not gonna keep up with the turn fighters but its a tier where other lines mostly lose a bunch of agility.


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I think it's the worst plane in the British MRF line. That said, I quite like it, spec'ed it, and it's a keeper.  Don't keep what you don't like flying, though!


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