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losttwo #1 Posted 21 April 2020 - 03:35 PM

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Lets not try to argue with others about this sensitive topic.

Let's just simply post our ideas of what we would like WG to change about Match Maker.

 

Lets keep it real and simple, You know like on the Dr. Seuss reading  level so they understand.



losttwo #2 Posted 21 April 2020 - 03:38 PM

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The changes in Match Maker I would like to see.

 

I would like to see match maker stop having GAA and Bombers in the same matches.

 



WhoaBlackBetty #3 Posted 21 April 2020 - 03:41 PM

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Not knowing how many humans are, and what they are flying, our wishes may not be workable.  I would like to see more humans against humans.  When several of us count in, say 5 or 6, and only 3 are in the same battle, 2 are in a battle together, and one is solo, I wonder about the matchmaking.  

 

I do understand balance must be kept to a degree, but I wish MM would look at match making more with the goal of more humans vs more humans.  

 

I would also not like to be the lower tier most of the time.


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SpiritFoxMY #4 Posted 21 April 2020 - 03:48 PM

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1. Take into account Specialization and Equipment Level. These make a difference.

2. Match according to the highest tier plane in the flight, not the lowest. This is is being done and has always been done in both World of Tanks and World of Warships. Its done for a reason. I've said enough. This shouldn't be controversial.

3. Take into account player airplane types and the maps in rotation - especially at the high tiers, dumping a light fighter/multirole flight against an double spec EF131 flight on Alpine Gambit: Day of Reckoning is basically rigging the match in favor of the bombers.

 


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Captain_Underpants53 #5 Posted 21 April 2020 - 04:02 PM

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Stop counting a flighted pair as one aircraft.  I know it was said that this wasn't going to happen anymore but I keep finding myself alone in battle against 2 other people.  And, as was said above, base MM on the highest tier plane in a flight, not the lowest.  This is only common sense.
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Silence6966 #6 Posted 21 April 2020 - 06:54 PM

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If you are matched against a flighted pair, and you are alone, then being top tiered is fine, ie, if they are tier 5 then you should be tier 6, simple balance. however if you have a second human then equal tier should be fine. balance is everything. the worst is when there are 6 humans on one side and 4 on the other. how hard is it to make it 5 on 5?

balance aircraft types, even number of fighters, heavy fighters, GA, bombers and Multiroles.  

get rid of asymetrical maps for these matches.
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CorvusCorvax #7 Posted 21 April 2020 - 07:06 PM

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I guess I'm out of the mainstream on this issue.  I'd rather see more humans, regardless of equipment variations.  I flew bomber escort with a clan member the other day, and we were both at T8.  It was a T9/T8 battle, and two other humans were T9.

They lost, and we won - but it wasn't a fair fight.  RB-17 + Do-335 is better than a Sea Hawk and an IL-40. But not because we were specialist or because they were potato.  We were faster, and capped faster.  How are you going to fix the MM to take that into account?

Even taking top tier as baseline, we still won.

I think that the current MM is not sophisticated enough, but tweaking it endlessly will never satisfy everyone.

hoom #8 Posted 21 April 2020 - 07:46 PM

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Block split-tier flights.

Or at least treat them as the highest of the two.

 

Always ensure equal number of players per-team.

 

If there is a flight on one team the other side always gets same tier players (eg a T7 flight should not be vs T6 players)

 

Different setups.

In this game we have a low tier setup of 2* GA, 2* Bomber, (up to 4* GA in low tiers) 2* Heavy, the rest MR & Light. (is the MR|Light ratio fixed?), always +/- 1 tier.

In WoT there are/were a bunch of setups with different ratios & tiers, I'd like to see some variety like that here.

Things like all MR matches, all GA, all Heavien Allies vs Axis, Soviet vs German, US vs Japan, Battle of Britain, Phoney War, Korean war, all planes same tier & occasional single plane matches eg all Spitfire I vs all Spitfire I.

 

 


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crzyhawk #9 Posted 22 April 2020 - 03:19 AM

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I had a game tonight that was 6v6.  My team had 6 specialists and theirs had none.  It wasn't pretty.

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vcharng #10 Posted 22 April 2020 - 03:41 AM

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Stop making GAA/bomber on one side and HF on the other. 

Or more broadly, stop making some certain MM combinations.

I had a match in my Me 265 against a T8 HF yesterday, in a 2 factory map.

He immediately flew all the way to my spawn and start spawnkilling me.

 

Remember that's a GAA against a higher-tier HF. Your opponent is designed to defeat you first time, every time.

I was lucky, despite flying a specced HF he made poor choices, and Me 265 is arguably the single best GAA in terms of aerial combat capability.

So he came at me three times. I shot him down twice while inevitably got killed on the second encounter between those two kills (What do you expect? I was on minimum HP after the first encounter.)

And he quit after that, leaving his sole IL-8 teammate at our mercy.

 

In fact, since practically all fighters are designed to outclass GAAs, a more straight-to-the-point suggestion would be simply forbid GAA from fighting against any kind of human fighters same tier or above. (Maybe same tier Light Fighters can be allowed, just maybe. Many lower tier GAAs would still be meat to any fighters, even one tier lower, though)

Only that would actually prevent GAAs from simply becoming fighter food before performing any good to their team.

 

A more fundamental, once-and-for-all solution would be simply giving ground pounders their own exclusive game mode.

Fighter pilots don't want ground pounders in their game anyway (they want pure dogfight PVP, as evidently seen in many comments on this forum), so why bother giving this lose-lose situation?



Captain_Underpants53 #11 Posted 22 April 2020 - 07:46 AM

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Stop with 8, 9, 10 battles in a row where you get to be lower tier.   There should be some limit.
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SkyWolf__WM #12 Posted 22 April 2020 - 02:30 PM

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View Postvcharng, on 21 April 2020 - 10:41 PM, said:

 

He immediately flew all the way to my spawn and start spawnkilling me.

 

REPORT HIM FOR UNFAIR PLAY.


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vcharng #13 Posted 22 April 2020 - 02:48 PM

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View PostSkyWolf__WM, on 22 April 2020 - 02:30 PM, said:

REPORT HIM FOR UNFAIR PLAY

I'm not even sure if you're serious....

First of all, that in-game reports are never effective.

And then, since HFs have one proficiency as "kill GAA and bombers" he would then argue this is not "unfair play".

 

I did report him for idle/bot after he left mid-game though.

 

Either way this doesn't solve the fundamental problem of ground pounders being fed to fighters who are designed to outclass them in aerial combat.

Back in my days in Ju 88P (no aerial combat capability, poor rear gun) I can only pray for the enemy plane to crash into me...



SkyWolf__WM #14 Posted 22 April 2020 - 08:19 PM

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View Postvcharng, on 22 April 2020 - 09:48 AM, said:

I'm not even sure if you're serious....

First of all, that in-game reports are never effective.

And then, since HFs have one proficiency as "kill GAA and bombers" he would then argue this is not "unfair play".

 

I did report him for idle/bot after he left mid-game though.

 

Either way this doesn't solve the fundamental problem of ground pounders being fed to fighters who are designed to outclass them in aerial combat.

Back in my days in Ju 88P (no aerial combat capability, poor rear gun) I can only pray for the enemy plane to crash into me...

 

Yeah, I'm serious. They aren't very effective but that's no reason to refrain from bugging WeeGee with them.  

Slamming on the brakes to make pursuers ram you or force them to turn off early is a good technique, I do it every day.  :hiding:


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