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McLinTheGerman #1 Posted 27 March 2020 - 10:44 PM

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Hi pilots,

 

i thought all the time, that a draw is a draw.

I have an Excel sheet to calculate my winrate. Of cause there are draws included. I find out, that draws are terrible for your winrate, too.

 

For example: 

  • 1430 wins
  • 666 defeats
  • 4 draws

 

That are 2100 battles. 68.10% wins, 31.71% loses and 0.19% draws. 

So far everything is clear, i hope.

 

But if you have +1 draw, the statistic looks like this:

That are 2101 battles. 68.06% (-0.04) wins, 31.70% (-0.01) loses and 0.24% (+0.05) draws. 

 

Your winrate goes down around 0.04%

Your loserate goes only down around 0.01%

 

So for me it is not a draw, its a lose!

 

You need 2-3 wins (per win 0.02%) to restore your 68.10%.

(correct is: 2 wins are 68.09% and 3 wins are 68.11%).

 

Wargaming cheats you, even if battle was draw.

 

Btw. every lose costs you 0.04% and every win will earn only 0.02% winrate.

 

PS: This counting is for greater then 1000 battles and less then 3000 battles.

 



losttwo #2 Posted 27 March 2020 - 11:17 PM

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In any game a draw is always counted as a loss because there is no winner.

Wargaming should implement " last man standing " for draws. 

Respawn the highest scoring human on each team and last man standing wins,

In the case of Human versus bots then the human just needs to kill a few bots ( = to 100 points )



trikke #3 Posted 27 March 2020 - 11:48 PM

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i'm always amazed shocked that my WR drops so far after a single loss         what a cruel cruel trick, mathematics 

 

does it get 'better' as i fly more battles?      if i had 10,000 battles, one loss shouldn't make any difference, right?


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McLinTheGerman #4 Posted 28 March 2020 - 12:09 AM

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View Posttrikke, on 27 March 2020 - 11:48 PM, said:

i'm always amazed shocked that my WR drops so far after a single loss         what a cruel cruel trick, mathematics 

 

does it get 'better' as i fly more battles?      if i had 10,000 battles, one loss shouldn't make any difference, right?

 

if you had 10000 battles and no lose or draw.

Then the 1 lose costs you -0.01% win rate

 



McLinTheGerman #5 Posted 28 March 2020 - 12:12 AM

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View Postlosttwo, on 27 March 2020 - 11:17 PM, said:

In any game a draw is always counted as a loss because there is no winner.

Wargaming should implement " last man standing " for draws. 

Respawn the highest scoring human on each team and last man standing wins,

In the case of Human versus bots then the human just needs to kill a few bots ( = to 100 points )

 

Of cause you lose. But i do not want to promote your idea of "last man standing" ....... i want to say how unfair wargaming in case of draw is.

 

My native language is not english. So please ignore grammar etc.

 

 



Captain_Underpants53 #6 Posted 28 March 2020 - 12:23 AM

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View Posttrikke, on 27 March 2020 - 06:48 PM, said:

i'm always amazed shocked that my WR drops so far after a single loss         what a cruel cruel trick, mathematics 

 

does it get 'better' as i fly more battles?      if i had 10,000 battles, one loss shouldn't make any difference, right?


The good news is that with many battles the effect of a loss is greatly reduced.

 

The bad news is that with many battles the effect of a win is greatly reduced.

 

In other words, get gud before you have 27K battles.


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Four_Leaf_Tayback #7 Posted 28 March 2020 - 05:41 AM

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Yeah, I have a lot of draws.  I tell myself, it's because I fight to the very end.  

 

That provides some comfort to me.  Like a warm blanket, I wrap myself up in unearned valor.  

 

But yeah, draws suck.  


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_OneEye_ #8 Posted 28 March 2020 - 06:33 AM

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total battles 2108 - 1340 in t3 or less = 768.

 

1000 needed for HOF, meh..........



losttwo #9 Posted 28 March 2020 - 08:33 AM

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View Posttrikke, on 27 March 2020 - 06:48 PM, said:

i'm always amazed shocked that my WR drops so far after a single loss         what a cruel cruel trick, mathematics 

 

does it get 'better' as i fly more battles?      if i had 10,000 battles, one loss shouldn't make any difference, right?

 

Yeah. I was up in the 29K area of battle prior to 2.0

I think I need something like 15 wins for ever loss to raise a .0%

 

With all the computer and internet problems I was having at the time, I just quit the game before it fell too much.



Captain_Underpants53 #10 Posted 28 March 2020 - 09:07 AM

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View PostFour_Leaf_Tayback, on 28 March 2020 - 12:41 AM, said:

Yeah, I have a lot of draws.  I tell myself, it's because I fight to the very end.  

 

That provides some comfort to me.  Like a warm blanket, I wrap myself up in unearned valor.  

 

But yeah, draws suck.  


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Moonrider #11 Posted 28 March 2020 - 01:37 PM

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View PostMcLinTheGerman, on 27 March 2020 - 05:44 PM, said:

Hi pilots,

i thought all the time, that a draw is a draw.

I have an Excel sheet to calculate my winrate. Of cause there are draws included. I find out, that draws are terrible for your winrate, too.

 

 


If I cared about winrate, this would be an excellent post. 
 

Oh, well. . . .
 


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crzyhawk #12 Posted 28 March 2020 - 02:53 PM

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View PostMcLinTheGerman, on 27 March 2020 - 05:44 PM, said:

Hi pilots,

 

i thought all the time, that a draw is a draw.

I have an Excel sheet to calculate my winrate. Of cause there are draws included. I find out, that draws are terrible for your winrate, too.

 

For example: 

  • 1430 wins
  • 666 defeats
  • 4 draws

 

That are 2100 battles. 68.10% wins, 31.71% loses and 0.19% draws. 

So far everything is clear, i hope.

 

But if you have +1 draw, the statistic looks like this:

That are 2101 battles. 68.06% (-0.04) wins, 31.70% (-0.01) loses and 0.24% (+0.05) draws. 

 

Your winrate goes down around 0.04%

Your loserate goes only down around 0.01%

 

So for me it is not a draw, its a lose!

 

You need 2-3 wins (per win 0.02%) to restore your 68.10%.

(correct is: 2 wins are 68.09% and 3 wins are 68.11%).

 

Wargaming cheats you, even if battle was draw.

 

Btw. every lose costs you 0.04% and every win will earn only 0.02% winrate.

 

PS: This counting is for greater then 1000 battles and less then 3000 battles.

 


Yes, it's WIN rate, not "didn't lose" rate.  A draw is not a win.


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McLinTheGerman #13 Posted 28 March 2020 - 08:03 PM

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View Postcrzyhawk, on 28 March 2020 - 02:53 PM, said:


Yes, it's WIN rate, not "didn't lose" rate.  A draw is not a win.

 

 

Correct. Draw is not a LOSE

 

 

 



losttwo #14 Posted 28 March 2020 - 10:08 PM

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View PostMcLinTheGerman, on 28 March 2020 - 03:03 PM, said:

 

Correct. Draw is not a LOSE

 

 

 


Actually, it is a "lose" for both teams. And why they call it a draw. No winner.

That is why you have tie breakers, overtime, etc.

When is the last time, in football, you had a match end in a draw ( tie )



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View PostMcLinTheGerman, on 28 March 2020 - 03:03 PM, said:

 

Correct. Draw is not a LOSE

 

 

 


Exactly as it should be.  If you didn't win, it shouldn't count as a win.


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View Postlosttwo, on 28 March 2020 - 12:08 PM, said:

 

When is the last time, in football, you had a match end in a draw ( tie )

 

Back in the good old days.


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View Postlosttwo, on 27 March 2020 - 11:17 PM, said:

 

Respawn the highest scoring human on each team and last man standing wins,

 

Imagine one was GAA/bomber and the other was HF.

Not really gonna work.

 

edit: Better yet, imagine both are bombers, it's gonna be a farce.


Edited by vcharng, 22 April 2020 - 03:56 AM.






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