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Panoptic #1 Posted 24 March 2020 - 10:42 PM

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I think I get it this time around.

 

 


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SFMY is not a huge fan of the a-8, i think i remember      he does like the Dora       he's the best 190 driver that i know

 

but that's an incredible battle in the a-8, for sure      gj!     you're certainly a much better pilot than me


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Thanks, you are a great pilot yourself.

This airframe has two main strengths: speed, and firepower. For the guns to be most effective it must get close to the target: heavy planes, GAA and bombers engaged from the side/front. <450 m (~1500') and it will melt anything within sight. Uprated Engine will help get it there. Boost Injection might be viable too.

I am curious to see how fast its six guns cripple red planes with Ultimate Sight and maximum crit/fire chance. 



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at first I thought it was an all bot battle in a training room because  I noticed at the top right corner it says bomber escort mode but you got tokens so I'm confused

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View Post12_inch_Hawk, on 25 March 2020 - 12:10 AM, said:

at first I thought it was an all bot battle in a training room because  I noticed at the top right corner it says bomber escort mode but you got tokens so I'm confused

I think that is the desert map with the 2radar stations 2 airfield and garrison.

 


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View Post12_inch_Hawk, on 25 March 2020 - 01:10 PM, said:

at first I thought it was an all bot battle in a training room because  I noticed at the top right corner it says bomber escort mode but you got tokens so I'm confused

 

There is a bugged map in the game. Its listed as (Bomber Escort) but its actually Conquest. You can actually find it in the training room lists.

View PostPanoptic, on 25 March 2020 - 06:42 AM, said:

I think I get it this time around.

 

 

 

That's really impressive in an A-8. The plane isn't bad as long as its in a tier 7 maximum game but as soon as you wind up in a tier 8 game, you're going to suffer


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I can't fly 190s to save my life...but I hate being in front of them.  Things just melt.

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View Postcrzyhawk, on 25 March 2020 - 07:52 PM, said:

I can't fly 190s to save my life...but I hate being in front of them.  Things just melt.

 

Its fairly straightforward, really. Just gotta club the "fight" instinct into submission and focus on the "flight" when you get jumped :P


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View PostSpiritFoxMY, on 25 March 2020 - 11:35 AM, said:

 

Its fairly straightforward, really. Just gotta club the "fight" instinct into submission and focus on the "flight" when you get jumped :P

In the Fw190A-5, I always seem to run into Yak-9's that I can't turn with or run from. Or even worse, I get a turn fighter and a heavy both after me at once. The fighter keeps me from turning on the heavy, the heavy prevents me from running from the fighter.


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So how the heck do you fly the things?  Should it be a nothing but B&Z fighter, like the 109 line but without the T&B capability?  Should it be flown like an assassin plane like the Japs or the multi-roles, making it a never-carry-the-battle plane-just-fly-safe-and-try-to-surprise plane?  I NEVER got the hang of them except for the tier 6 WAAAAAAAY back in the day, 1.4 or 5, before it was nerfed or somehow changed.

 

I remember I did well in it with a flight mate who could fly well. Perhaps the 190s are just good for protection muscle. Dunno.

 

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Fw-190s were pretty fun for me, but that's probably because I spent a lot of time in the P-47s, which are basically the American version of the Fw-190. Congrats on the Winged Legend dude!

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average scores in any 190 that i tried were sub-5k     

 

if i flew them exclusively, after a while, i would hope that finicky flight style would feel more natural to me           but i won't live that long

 

i just marvel at the production that SFMY achieves, when flying the a-5         smh


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View PostWhoaBlackBetty_, on 25 March 2020 - 12:45 PM, said:

So how the heck do you fly the things?  Should it be a nothing but B&Z fighter, like the 109 line but without the T&B capability?  Should it be flown like an assassin plane like the Japs or the multi-roles, making it a never-carry-the-battle plane-just-fly-safe-and-try-to-surprise plane?  I NEVER got the hang of them except for the tier 6 WAAAAAAAY back in the day, 1.4 or 5, before it was nerfed or somehow changed.

 

I remember I did well in it with a flight mate who could fly well. Perhaps the 190s are just good for protection muscle. Dunno.

 

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I sorta fly the Fw190D that way, I remind myself "never fly alone". I don't flight up, I just hit the F7 key (enemy on my tail) and a bot follows. Then I stick to zones where my team has the numbers advantage. The goal is to devour a stream of distracted enemies in this plane. Blue command centers are nice or anything in the center. I only attack enemy zones if I'm following a bot swarm and have one of them covering my tail.

This approach works with tier 6+ bots. I've tried it with the Yak-7 M-82, but the tier 5 bots were too bad to count on. Didn't work with the Fw190A-5 either. In tier 6 battles, it can't rely on the bad tier 5 bots. In tier 7, it doesn't have the damage advantage anymore.


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View PostMaqor, on 25 March 2020 - 07:22 PM, said:

I sorta fly the Fw190D that way, I remind myself "never fly alone". I don't flight up, I just hit the F7 key (enemy on my tail) and a bot follows. Then I stick to zones where my team has the numbers advantage. The goal is to devour a stream of distracted enemies in this plane. Blue command centers are nice or anything in the center. I only attack enemy zones if I'm following a bot swarm and have one of them covering my tail.

This approach works with tier 6+ bots. I've tried it with the Yak-7 M-82, but the tier 5 bots were too bad to count on. Didn't work with the Fw190A-5 either. In tier 6 battles, it can't rely on the bad tier 5 bots. In tier 7, it doesn't have the damage advantage anymore.

 

Dang. That's a heck of a niche plane, then. Thanks Maqor, I will try probably tonight with that plane again using that way of thinking (since I do not care about win % anymore.)  THANKS!

 

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View PostWhoaBlackBetty_, on 26 March 2020 - 09:27 AM, said:

 

Dang. That's a heck of a niche plane, then. Thanks Maqor, I will try probably tonight with that plane again using that way of thinking (since I do not care about win % anymore.)  THANKS!

 

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I fly the A-5 as an assassin. There're three things to remember here:

 

1. You MUST EQUIP BOOST INJECTION. I am quite willing to say that this is the single most important piece of equipment on the 190s. Like most multiroles, it has great speed but poor acceleration. You need that acceleration. Get yourself the boost injection and slap on Engine Cooling as a consumable. Personally I go all in with Engine Cooling and High-Octane fuel but some people prefer the backup of having the Engine Restarter consumable. 

 

2. The A-5 does not climb or dive especially well. A common mistake with most players is assuming that a BnZ means to dive away, then climb (or just climb away). This is death in a 190. 190s instead need to keep level or in a shallow climb at best while holding on to the boost key. Spitfires and a lot of other nasty things have better dive acceleration than you do and FAAAAR better climb acceleration AND speed than you. When ambushed and dove upon, by a more nimble fighter, roll hard and rudder over to dodge then run away in the opposite direction from the guy's attack. Be a toreador - bait him to commit to the attack at speed and then run the [edited] away while he's still gathering his wits. If he attacks you without the benefit of a dive, just level out and run straight away from him.

 

3. Keep your eye out for hard counters. Yak Multiroles, Corsairs and ESPECIALLY Ki-102s are your greatest threats. Watch out for them and prioritize killing them first above all else. At the least, if you choose to prioritize something else, it had better be worth the 50/50 chance of certain death. Know your stats, know your enemy's stats and keep your head on a swivel.  

 

I'm a lot more aggressive than most people are in my 190s but a lot of that comes down to the fact that the 190 line was literally the first line I ever played (I didn't know better apparently) so flying them is almost second nature to me. On top of that my A-5 is literally the most heavily upgraded plane in my hangar with a 12 point pilot (ADE + MM1 + MM2 + EG1 + EG2), a full spread of National Special Project Equipment (UK Gunsight, Japanese Lightweight Wing, German Boost Injection, German Gas Operated) all Ultimate 100% calibrated and mostly gold consumables (with the exceptions of a standard extinguisher and Universal Ammo), so I have a lot of options to play with, especially since I can outrun stock heavy fighters in cruise. 

 


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View PostSpiritFoxMY, on 25 March 2020 - 07:49 PM, said:

 

I fly the A-5 as an assassin. There're three things to remember here:

 

1. You MUST EQUIP BOOST INJECTION. I am quite willing to say that this is the single most important piece of equipment on the 190s. Like most multiroles, it has great speed but poor acceleration. You need that acceleration. Get yourself the boost injection and slap on Engine Cooling as a consumable. Personally I go all in with Engine Cooling and High-Octane fuel but some people prefer the backup of having the Engine Restarter consumable. 

 

2. The A-5 does not climb or dive especially well. A common mistake with most players is assuming that a BnZ means to dive away, then climb (or just climb away). This is death in a 190. 190s instead need to keep level or in a shallow climb at best while holding on to the boost key. Spitfires and a lot of other nasty things have better dive acceleration than you do and FAAAAR better climb acceleration AND speed than you. When ambushed and dove upon, by a more nimble fighter, roll hard and rudder over to dodge then run away in the opposite direction from the guy's attack. Be a toreador - bait him to commit to the attack at speed and then run the [edited] away while he's still gathering his wits. If he attacks you without the benefit of a dive, just level out and run straight away from him.

 

3. Keep your eye out for hard counters. Yak Multiroles, Corsairs and ESPECIALLY Ki-102s are your greatest threats. Watch out for them and prioritize killing them first above all else. At the least, if you choose to prioritize something else, it had better be worth the 50/50 chance of certain death. Know your stats, know your enemy's stats and keep your head on a swivel.  

 

I'm a lot more aggressive than most people are in my 190s but a lot of that comes down to the fact that the 190 line was literally the first line I ever played (I didn't know better apparently) so flying them is almost second nature to me. On top of that my A-5 is literally the most heavily upgraded plane in my hangar with a 12 point pilot (ADE + MM1 + MM2 + EG1 + EG2), a full spread of National Special Project Equipment (UK Gunsight, Japanese Lightweight Wing, German Boost Injection, German Gas Operated) all Ultimate 100% calibrated and mostly gold consumables (with the exceptions of a standard extinguisher and Universal Ammo), so I have a lot of options to play with, especially since I can outrun stock heavy fighters in cruise. 

 

 

THANKS.  Keeping this on my 2nd monitor while I fly it. Flew it with a bud, did REALLY well in it, but really didn't have any 1.X type competition.  GOnna add this to what was said before, and I see where this A-5 cold be another fave,

 

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Ah'ight, just flew another battle solo. Plane is a KILLER, throws explosive hammers at planes.  Again, had no real competition. Retarded bots and a 109E human that kept shooting at his target as I was vaporizing his tail. No pre 2.0 tacticians anywhere. Also, I see where the boost out is better than the boost up, diff way of thinking for me.  I was in the middle between sectors, some plane would try to distract me, and I just left him being able to boost on to the sector.

 

Thanks again y'all.

 

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View PostSpiritFoxMY, on 25 March 2020 - 08:49 PM, said:

 

I fly the A-5 as an assassin. There're three things to remember here:

 

1. You MUST EQUIP BOOST INJECTION. I am quite willing to say that this is the single most important piece of equipment on the 190s. Like most multiroles, it has great speed but poor acceleration. You need that acceleration. Get yourself the boost injection and slap on Engine Cooling as a consumable. Personally I go all in with Engine Cooling and High-Octane fuel but some people prefer the backup of having the Engine Restarter consumable. 

 

2. The A-5 does not climb or dive especially well. A common mistake with most players is assuming that a BnZ means to dive away, then climb (or just climb away). This is death in a 190. 190s instead need to keep level or in a shallow climb at best while holding on to the boost key. Spitfires and a lot of other nasty things have better dive acceleration than you do and FAAAAR better climb acceleration AND speed than you. When ambushed and dove upon, by a more nimble fighter, roll hard and rudder over to dodge then run away in the opposite direction from the guy's attack. Be a toreador - bait him to commit to the attack at speed and then run the [edited] away while he's still gathering his wits. If he attacks you without the benefit of a dive, just level out and run straight away from him.

 

3. Keep your eye out for hard counters. Yak Multiroles, Corsairs and ESPECIALLY Ki-102s are your greatest threats. Watch out for them and prioritize killing them first above all else. At the least, if you choose to prioritize something else, it had better be worth the 50/50 chance of certain death. Know your stats, know your enemy's stats and keep your head on a swivel.  

 

I'm a lot more aggressive than most people are in my 190s but a lot of that comes down to the fact that the 190 line was literally the first line I ever played (I didn't know better apparently) so flying them is almost second nature to me. On top of that my A-5 is literally the most heavily upgraded plane in my hangar with a 12 point pilot (ADE + MM1 + MM2 + EG1 + EG2), a full spread of National Special Project Equipment (UK Gunsight, Japanese Lightweight Wing, German Boost Injection, German Gas Operated) all Ultimate 100% calibrated and mostly gold consumables (with the exceptions of a standard extinguisher and Universal Ammo), so I have a lot of options to play with, especially since I can outrun stock heavy fighters in cruise. 

 

Great post, thanks for the pro advice!


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View Posttrikke, on 25 March 2020 - 07:50 PM, said:

average scores in any 190 that i tried were sub-5k     

 

if i flew them exclusively, after a while, i would hope that finicky flight style would feel more natural to me           but i won't live that long

 

i just marvel at the production that SFMY achieves, when flying the a-5         smh

The Dora is sublime when not downtiered.   And when flying cover for a GAA, it shines.  Go in early for SEAD, pull up to knock down ADA, watch for anyone harassing your ground attack buddy.  I love flighting up with GAA folks when flying the FW line.



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I just learned that on the clan page you can see your win rate for every plane you've flown.  I was shocked to discover the FW 190-A5 was my most winning plane (with more than 1 battle).  79% win rate with 28 battles in it.  I remember hating that plane because it sucked at everything and sold it as soon as I ground through it.  I don't think I was flighting with anyone when I was flying those missions either.  I'm not sure how this happened.  I'm almost tempted to buy it back and give it a go again.






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