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vcharng #1 Posted 15 February 2020 - 07:47 AM

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the options are:

1. J7W2 with top gun

2. P.228 with top gun and 2nd engine

3. F2H with full upgrade

4. Ju 288A with top engine.

 

I'm not sure how much I'm gonna invest in J7W line, so I'm not sure about spending there...The J7W1 is okay but not really outstanding, I'm not sure how much of that is gonna improve in W2 and W3.

For the HFs... the P228s have better weaponry, but the flying isn't the best and the ordnance is bad. (rockets have range limits and you can only use it in low alt, but HF has to stay high)

As for Ju288... I "heard" that bombers are good at high tiers, but seeing my 217M being vaporized every time I get uptiered into T7 and there's a Ki-93... I'm not so sure...

For example, a Me 262 HGIII can, in theory, vaporize an EF131 in less than two seconds... (1320 firepower vs. 1900 HP) I'm just no so sure if this is even feasible...bombers seems to be only playable when you have a flight mate who are willing to get out of his own way to help you, which isn't happening to me.

 

My guess is that the folks here would probably suggest me to choose F2H.... being American and a fighter...but.... tell me what you think.



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How about converting it to 400k Pilot experience?  

Using free xp to escape a tier (or more) of grind just means your that much worse a pilot when you reach whatever tier your aiming for.  

Sure Bombers ARE 'better' at higher tiers (at least the numbers being used are larger) but the game play itself isnt so much different until muuuuch later.
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View PostwylleEcoyote, on 15 February 2020 - 10:13 AM, said:

How about converting it to 400k Pilot experience?  

Using free xp to escape a tier (or more) of grind just means your that much worse a pilot when you reach whatever tier your aiming for.  

Sure Bombers ARE 'better' at higher tiers (at least the numbers being used are larger) but the game play itself isnt so much different until muuuuch later.
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What you said worries me. You said high tier Germans fly like low tier Soviet bombers.

I set my eyes on German because of altitude performance. I am sick of being everyone's food on mid-low alt.

But if what you say is true it means that T9/T10 German bombers should be flown like Soviets, i.e. mid alt.

 

I did skip tier once. I skipped T6 T7 of British HF, and find T8 HF very good to use. I kept it (that's why I have the P.228 option)

And I do consider skipping the whole Typhoon and get the Tempest, because I doubt Typhoon would be any good even when elited, given its slow turning, unlike others on the line.

 

I tried flying my way to Ju 288A, but 217 M in the new meta is just flying food. I get uptiered just about every next game, and there will be a Ki-93 who can kill me in 3 shots without entering my range.

(I kept a 93 myself, I know how good it is.)

However I am now concerned about whether the Ju 288 would be any better because they have the SAME bomb load as 217M (8x 250 kg) just slightly better power (SC 250-> SD 250) and slightly shorter reload (60 for 217 I, and I think 50 and 40 seconds for 288A/C respectively?)

 

So perhaps I'd need to prepare 300K FE (if I spend gold I'd have 180K, the rest would have to be earned) and go all the way to Ju 287.... I'm not sure...

 

Plus, given the oftenly heard statement that bombers have to be played in a flight, perhaps I should simply stop playing in bombers at all....



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View Postvcharng, on 15 February 2020 - 06:42 PM, said:

What you said worries me. You said high tier Germans fly like low tier Soviet bombers.

I set my eyes on German because of altitude performance. I am sick of being everyone's food on mid-low alt.

But if what you say is true it means that T9/T10 German bombers should be flown like Soviets, i.e. mid alt.

 

I did skip tier once. I skipped T6 T7 of British HF, and find T8 HF very good to use. I kept it (that's why I have the P.228 option)

And I do consider skipping the whole Typhoon and get the Tempest, because I doubt Typhoon would be any good even when elited, given its slow turning, unlike others on the line.

 

I tried flying my way to Ju 288A, but 217 M in the new meta is just flying food. I get uptiered just about every next game, and there will be a Ki-93 who can kill me in 3 shots without entering my range.

(I kept a 93 myself, I know how good it is.)

However I am now concerned about whether the Ju 288 would be any better because they have the SAME bomb load as 217M (8x 250 kg) just slightly better power (SC 250-> SD 250) and slightly shorter reload (60 for 217 I, and I think 50 and 40 seconds for 288A/C respectively?)

 

So perhaps I'd need to prepare 300K FE (if I spend gold I'd have 180K, the rest would have to be earned) and go all the way to Ju 287.... I'm not sure...

 

Plus, given the oftenly heard statement that bombers have to be played in a flight, perhaps I should simply stop playing in bombers at all....

 

I like the Ju288A. Its fast at its optimum, it has good defensive armament compared to the Do217M and it carried a nice bombload with a decent reload.

It doesn't really need to be flown in a flight IMO, but it would certainly benefit from it since like all PvE classes it cannot hold a cap and if your team just loses them faster than you can get to them, you're SoL. Then again that applies to most classes. 

 

The Ju287 is worth every bit of grief. Its a machine that doesn't need a flight to do well and can solo carry like no other on some maps. And Heavies can be dealt with with a little bit of fancy flying

 

If I were to make a suggestion though, go with either the P.228 or the F2H. There're already too many bombers polluting the upper tiers (me included to be fair) and someone needs to keep them honest. Of course, if you're talking about just padding your win rate then just grind through the 288A and 288C and get the two most overpowered planes at the top tiers (Su-10 being completely broken, not merely overpowered).

 

Like I said, I actually appreciate the 288A and Reitousair thinks the 288C is pretty balanced for its tier so you should be able to do decently well in them.


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rooed #5 Posted 15 February 2020 - 12:01 PM

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Rock yourself a B-32. The line ends there so no pressure to up-tier for more eggs or altitude/speed. Fly the thing at 1000 ft or less and carpet bomb away!. Sure your food and will die, but the ride is worth the respawns. Fly the thing from the turret and blast away, flip bases in one pass, ding up everybody and have fun. My win rate in a very aggressive 32 is better at low alt. and the flights are never a boring grab to nowhere only to be munched by a heavy. A Predator award for 10 aerial kills is a real chuckle in something with 40 eggs. 

 

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View Postrooed, on 15 February 2020 - 12:01 PM, said:

Rock yourself a B-32. The line ends there so no pressure to up-tier for more eggs or altitude/speed. Fly the thing at 1000 ft or less and carpet bomb away!. Sure your food and will die, but the ride is worth the respawns. Fly the thing from the turret and blast away, flip bases in one pass, ding up everybody and have fun. My win rate in a very aggressive 32 is better at low alt. and the flights are never a boring grab to nowhere only to be munched by a heavy. A Predator award for 10 aerial kills is a real chuckle in something with 40 eggs. 

 

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I do have the B-32 and I absolutely hate it.

I admit low altitude bombing isn't my thing, it's the one thing I never able to learn. I tried a few times and can't even survive the first spot.

That's why I later chose the German bombers, they are more used to the high altitude orbit bombing way that I am used to and I think WG originally designed the class to be.



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View PostSpiritFoxMY, on 15 February 2020 - 11:55 AM, said:

 

I like the Ju288A. Its fast at its optimum, it has good defensive armament compared to the Do217M and it carried a nice bombload with a decent reload.

It doesn't really need to be flown in a flight IMO, but it would certainly benefit from it since like all PvE classes it cannot hold a cap and if your team just loses them faster than you can get to them, you're SoL. Then again that applies to most classes. 

 

The Ju287 is worth every bit of grief. Its a machine that doesn't need a flight to do well and can solo carry like no other on some maps. And Heavies can be dealt with with a little bit of fancy flying

 

If I were to make a suggestion though, go with either the P.228 or the F2H. There're already too many bombers polluting the upper tiers (me included to be fair) and someone needs to keep them honest. Of course, if you're talking about just padding your win rate then just grind through the 288A and 288C and get the two most overpowered planes at the top tiers (Su-10 being completely broken, not merely overpowered).

 

Like I said, I actually appreciate the 288A and Reitousair thinks the 288C is pretty balanced for its tier so you should be able to do decently well in them.

Yeah these videos probably means no bomber for me.

 

You know how high I'm flying? 3600 m for 217M and I expect 4000 for Ju 288A.

And yet virtually everyone is telling me to fly in like 2000 to 1000 and be HF food.

I tried the so called low-alt bombing the first day bombers got into the game, it just doesn't work.

I fly HFs too and 2000m Bombers would end up being shot down by me 3 to 4 times in one game. (I think there's a Bf 109Z human on your enemy team for that 288A video, why isn't he coming for you?)

I just can't see how this is gonna work.


Edited by vcharng, 15 February 2020 - 12:22 PM.


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View Postvcharng, on 15 February 2020 - 08:20 PM, said:

Yeah these videos probably means no bomber for me.

 

You know how high I'm flying? 3600 m for 217M and I expect 4000 for Ju 288A.

And yet virtually everyone is telling me to fly in like 2000 to 1000 and be HF food.

I tried the so called low-alt bombing the first day bombers got into the game, it just doesn't work.

I fly HFs too and 2000m Bombers would end up being shot down by me 3 to 4 times in one game. (I think there's a Bf 109Z human on your enemy team for that 288A video, why isn't he coming for you?)

I just can't see how this is gonna work.

 

You'll be surprised how many times people in heavy fighters just considered me too much work to come after (I have another 288A video where the enemy human 262 just... flew straight past me and ignored me barely 1000m away). The 287, 131 and Su-10 are all more than capable of dealing with heavies and even the 288s are tough nuts to crack if they pilot is aware of them approaching. I'm not going to try and argue my point with you but spend any amount of time at tier 9 and 10 and you'll quickly learn why bombers reign almost supreme at those tiers.

 

Of course, you could fly like this guy and prove that you're the one true king of the bombers :trollface:


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OK I took the P228 and BOOM first game there's a specced F2H, owns me in every way.

God dammit what the hell, can't I just have a "NORMAL" first game?

Why do I always have to get the shortest straw and against someone in his best plane doing his best score? (This guy got Grade I and 19K PP, why do I HAVE to have him in my FIRST game? He hunted me all the bloody game and all 3 of my deaths were SOLELY his doing! GOD F**KING DAMMIT.)


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View Postvcharng, on 15 February 2020 - 05:42 AM, said:

What you said worries me. You said high tier Germans fly like low tier Soviet bombers.

I set my eyes on German because of altitude performance. I am sick of being everyone's food on mid-low alt.

But if what you say is true it means that T9/T10 German bombers should be flown like Soviets, i.e. mid alt.

 

I did skip tier once. I skipped T6 T7 of British HF, and find T8 HF very good to use. I kept it (that's why I have the P.228 option)

And I do consider skipping the whole Typhoon and get the Tempest, because I doubt Typhoon would be any good even when elited, given its slow turning, unlike others on the line.

 

I tried flying my way to Ju 288A, but 217 M in the new meta is just flying food. I get uptiered just about every next game, and there will be a Ki-93 who can kill me in 3 shots without entering my range.

(I kept a 93 myself, I know how good it is.)

However I am now concerned about whether the Ju 288 would be any better because they have the SAME bomb load as 217M (8x 250 kg) just slightly better power (SC 250-> SD 250) and slightly shorter reload (60 for 217 I, and I think 50 and 40 seconds for 288A/C respectively?)

 

So perhaps I'd need to prepare 300K FE (if I spend gold I'd have 180K, the rest would have to be earned) and go all the way to Ju 287.... I'm not sure...

 

Plus, given the oftenly heard statement that bombers have to be played in a flight, perhaps I should simply stop playing in bombers at all....




Ok i think i scared you a little too much so i will tell you what i know about the German bombers.  Some you will be familiar with but  keep at it. Ill get to the tier 9-10's eventually.

First off . You are correct that the mid tier planes can (and sometimes should) be operated in L.E.O.   Or at least high enough that the flack doesn't shoot at you
(something the tier 5, 6, 7, and 8 can do fairly easily) 
At that height, even heavies have issues tackling you. Certain bot heavies that have no business trying; wind up following you around the map. Doing nothing useful 1500 meters below you. :P 

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THe very real downside to this is that while you can indeed survive the whole battle up there ... your bomb dispersion is really, really bad up there. 
I mean really bad. 

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Suffer through it.  Fly low (use a practice room to determine your best altitude) enough that you cant miss. with practice you can get pretty good at dropping from on high and opening the bomb bay (and automatically leveling off) at the optimal altitude to drop bombs and then boost awaaaay....  
after a while you will get pretty good with placing a bomb 'Exactly' where you want it to go. 

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And still have a reasonable expectation to hit the target. 

 
 With a bit more practice you can still hit what your aiming for (mostly) while the other lines  must offer prayers of supplication to RNGeezus or Stalin's Ghostly Hand to hit anything in the cap zone besides dirt ...   


Until you reach a point where the dispersion begins to affect your placement.

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To make all this go over swimming-ly you will want a Bomb Sight.

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This is german bomber play in a nut shell. all the way through tier 8. 

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Tier 9 is where it changes. and Tier 10 is the same but MOAR.
First off you are now jet powered.  You are very fast now. especially in a shallow dive (more on that later) and boost for daaays.

 

 

Which is Pretty much like a Peshka. (mid tier soviet dive bomber not the low tier. the low tiers are actually more like german high alt bombers) 
But waaaay faster. and Much more ka-BOOM!

Sometimes, if your lucky your bomb blast splashes onto an enemy GAA.  That's always nice.  
Sometimes its not a GAA but that angery red player that wanted a piece of your butt.  :trollface:  

Once you get the hang of it, be careful ... Flying the german jet bombers has been known to cause players fits.  

If you sound like this guy ... well it may be too late for you.






         



 


Edited by wylleEcoyote, 15 February 2020 - 09:24 PM.

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2nd the use for Pilot XP acceleration.

Get that point or two you really need on a pilot or several.


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View PostSpiritFoxMY, on 15 February 2020 - 12:35 PM, said:

 

You'll be surprised how many times people in heavy fighters just considered me too much work to come after

 

In T9 T10 yes, but only when they're in the orbit.

I've encountered like 2 or 3 B-32s flying at about 2000m, probably one lower (he's in the orange zone for my Me 265)

And unfortunately I was either in my heavy or my GAA.

Take that B-32 flying at 265's orange, he ended up being shot down/ "major contribution" by me 3 times in that game, and never got the military base he wanted.

 

This is also about German bombers' crazy climb rate... perhaps they can achieve 3000m bombing and then return to 4000+ with that climb rate and boost?

 

Oh and sorry about the ranting above... I mean when you spent 80K FE only to become sb. else's toy.... it really isn't pleasant.

This is why I hate PVP games. No matter how hard you try,  how good you are, there's always someone who can prove you that you're wasting your life.



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View Posthoom, on 15 February 2020 - 10:03 PM, said:

2nd the use for Pilot XP acceleration.

Get that point or two you really need on a pilot or several.

I uhhh... can marginally understand why people suggest pilot XP acceleration so much

yes they do pack quite an impact but the first few skills are usually enough, and they come pretty quickly...


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Well you can get some more even quicker.

For me I need 7pt as a key level for ADE & both Engine Gurus.

That 6th & 7th take quite a bit of getting so Free XP -> Pilot XP is very handy.


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Save it.  Hoard it. 

 

Be a greedy miser and build it up to like, oh, I dunno, maybe 500,000 or 1,000,000.  Then, when you spend a big chunk you're not like: "Man! I should not have blown it on that plane!."  When you have a big stash of cash, bad decisions are not so bad anymore*. 

 

Also, if, by some random chance, WOWP brings back a COMPETITION FOR GOLD (ARE YOU LISTENING WOWP????) You can Free XP your way into a plane that helps you achieve said mission.  

 

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View Postvcharng, on 15 February 2020 - 02:42 AM, said:

What you said worries me. You said high tier Germans fly like low tier Soviet bombers.

I set my eyes on German because of altitude performance. I am sick of being everyone's food on mid-low alt.

But if what you say is true it means that T9/T10 German bombers should be flown like Soviets, i.e. mid alt.

 

I did skip tier once. I skipped T6 T7 of British HF, and find T8 HF very good to use. I kept it (that's why I have the P.228 option)

And I do consider skipping the whole Typhoon and get the Tempest, because I doubt Typhoon would be any good even when elited, given its slow turning, unlike others on the line.

 

I tried flying my way to Ju 288A, but 217 M in the new meta is just flying food. I get uptiered just about every next game, and there will be a Ki-93 who can kill me in 3 shots without entering my range.

(I kept a 93 myself, I know how good it is.)

However I am now concerned about whether the Ju 288 would be any better because they have the SAME bomb load as 217M (8x 250 kg) just slightly better power (SC 250-> SD 250) and slightly shorter reload (60 for 217 I, and I think 50 and 40 seconds for 288A/C respectively?)

 

So perhaps I'd need to prepare 300K FE (if I spend gold I'd have 180K, the rest would have to be earned) and go all the way to Ju 287.... I'm not sure...

 

Plus, given the oftenly heard statement that bombers have to be played in a flight, perhaps I should simply stop playing in bombers at all....

 

I think what he said that should be worrying you is the whole thing about using free xp to boost yourself up the tech tree when you haven't earned or gained the experience the lower tech tree planes have to teach you. 

 

Me, I have about 380k of free xp and, personally, I can't think of a worse way to use it, or really any gainful way to use it that doesn't end up putting me into a plane that I'm not yet ready to fly.  Possibly it will occur to WG to offer other stuff to do with this but until then, it just sort of accumulates in my account.  


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Honestly, hold onto it and use it to mitigate stock grinds. The Typhoon, for example is pretty nice once you've got the 20mm cannons and the 500lb bombs on it. Or if you end up climbing the P-51 line, skipping the stock guns/airframes by pass the ugly parts of the grind. XF5U needs 14k before it gets past the 6 0.50's which for a T8 heavy are terrible. Me 262 needs the fuselage upgrade out of the gate. Basically things like that. 

 

Skipping entire tiers just puts you up against more dangerous stuff with less overall experience or understanding of the tactics and strategy. 



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View PostHarryVoyager, on 18 March 2020 - 07:28 PM, said:

Honestly, hold onto it and use it to mitigate stock grinds. The Typhoon, for example is pretty nice once you've got the 20mm cannons and the 500lb bombs on it. Or if you end up climbing the P-51 line, skipping the stock guns/airframes by pass the ugly parts of the grind. XF5U needs 14k before it gets past the 6 0.50's which for a T8 heavy are terrible. Me 262 needs the fuselage upgrade out of the gate. Basically things like that. 

 

Skipping entire tiers just puts you up against more dangerous stuff with less overall experience or understanding of the tactics and strategy. 

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