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Poll: Which plane should I buy/rebuy (20 members have cast votes)

Which unlocked tier 10 should I get?

  1. Alekseyev I-215 (4 votes [20.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 20.00%

  2. La-15 (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. F7U Cutlass (3 votes [15.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 15.00%

  4. F-86A Sabre (7 votes [35.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 35.00%

  5. Supermarine Swift (3 votes [15.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 15.00%

  6. Focke-Wulf Fw252 (3 votes [15.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 15.00%

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SpiritFoxMY #1 Posted 24 January 2020 - 04:11 PM

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So I did some spring cleaning and I now have enough cash to buy a tier 10, only I can't decide what to buy (or rebuy) and since I'm bored I thought I'd throw the question out here. What should I get and why?

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wylleEcoyote #2 Posted 24 January 2020 - 05:32 PM

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As the Forum GrandMaster of all things Focke-Wulf the answer is obvious.
Also: flying a #MacrossMissleMassacre Meme Plane for the :D factor and printing of Rocketeer awards :medal:

[EDIT] Wylle apologizes. he was thinking about the wrong plane.

Edited by wylleEcoyote, 29 January 2020 - 05:44 AM.

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You already have the tier 10 1101?

 

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hoom #4 Posted 24 January 2020 - 09:04 PM

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I-215 king derp.
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White_Widow18 #5 Posted 24 January 2020 - 09:08 PM

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I voted F7U Cutlass. Second vote would have been the Swift.

I think both are underappreciated planes.

I've got all of them and the only one on that list I wouldn't suggest is the La-15. The I-215 has derp-iness going for it, the F7U is a Gabreski/win machine when played right, the F-86 has one of the best airframes in the game even though god do I hate those guns, the swift is... intense, but takes a lot to get everything out of those guns and the FW-252 is not bad. Very much like the Swift for my money.

Captain_Underpants53 #6 Posted 24 January 2020 - 09:15 PM

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Where is the 'I dunno' vote?
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CorvusCorvax #7 Posted 24 January 2020 - 09:50 PM

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View PostSpiritFoxMY, on 24 January 2020 - 04:11 PM, said:

So I did some spring cleaning and I now have enough cash to buy a tier 10, only I can't decide what to buy (or rebuy) and since I'm bored I thought I'd throw the question out here. What should I get and why?

You strike me as a man who enjoys a challenge.

 

My challenge to you:  make that FW-252 your female dog.  And win, consistently. 

 

Edit:  I think you'd have more fun with the I-215, to be honest.


Edited by CorvusCorvax, 24 January 2020 - 09:51 PM.


SpiritFoxMY #8 Posted 25 January 2020 - 01:39 AM

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View PostBooze_Morgan, on 25 January 2020 - 02:41 AM, said:

You already have the tier 10 1101?

 

Booze

 

Yeah. Tier Xs I have:

 

Su-10 (Spec)

EF131

Me P.1102B (Spec)

MiG-15bis (Spec)

Me P.1101 (Spec)

BVP.215.02 (Spec)

Me 262 HGIII

Hawker Hunter (Spec)

Javelin (Spec)

 

I've flown the 252 and Swift before, but they were a long time ago back when I was a lot less experienced with 30mms so I wound up selling both of them. I reeeeeeeallly don't know about the 252. I mean, I consider it the worst tier 10 in the game though Rei and others argue that that title should go to my other baby...

 

View PostwylleEcoyote, on 25 January 2020 - 01:32 AM, said:

As the Forum GrandMaster of all things Focke-Wulf the answer is obvious.
Also: flying a #MacrossMissleMassacre Meme Plane for the :D factor and printing of Rocketeer awards :medal:

 

The BVP.215.02 was my primary tier 10 for a long long time until it got nerfed from "challenging and niche but potentially strong" to "why does this thing exist again?". The poor thing lost its role as a wide-ranging GAA killer with the explosives nerf (or the explosives resistance buff to GAAs) and has been overtaken by the Hawker Hunter in just about every important aspect. Its gotten shat on by the XF-90 meta and its second gimmick has been reduced from "mostly useless" to "worse than useless". 

 

I still keep it around and weep over it. In fact I've just recently started flying it again but its really hopeless in the new meta without some radical changes.Give it the Ju287's tailguns, reduce its rocket reload or at least give me two racks of R4Ms instead of the hopeless WGr.42s which were fine for tier 6 but are completely inadequate for tier 10. Maybe just increase the number of WGr.42s from four to eight. Or twelve. Or give it a pair of 250kg bombs instead. Just do something. Its two gimmicks have been nerfed into the ground and the plane itself has little to recommend about it otherwise. 

 

The dumbest thing is that those nerfs weren't even aimed at the 215.02. She got collateral damaged to hell.

 

/rant over.


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SpiritFoxMY #9 Posted 25 January 2020 - 01:49 AM

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View PostWhite_Widow18, on 25 January 2020 - 05:08 AM, said:

I've got all of them and the only one on that list I wouldn't suggest is the La-15. The I-215 has derp-iness going for it, the F7U is a Gabreski/win machine when played right, the F-86 has one of the best airframes in the game even though god do I hate those guns, the swift is... intense, but takes a lot to get everything out of those guns and the FW-252 is not bad. Very much like the Swift for my money.

 

I think that's kinda my issue with the 252. Its just a slower, much less maneuverable Swift with at best 4s more boost. I wish it had maybe 5s more boost (for 15s total) and better acceleration across all speed parameters. Or just better guns.


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Ace_BOTlistic_Cosmo #10 Posted 25 January 2020 - 01:54 AM

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is there a tier 10 biplane with a 80 kph stall speed...

'cus if there is, I'd get that one


if the pilot's good, see, I mean, if he's really..sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low [he spreads his arms like wings and laughs],

you oughtta see it sometime, it's a sight. A big plane like a '52. VRROOM! There's jet exhaust, fryin' chickens in the barnyard.


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View PostSpiritFoxMY, on 24 January 2020 - 07:49 PM, said:

 

I think that's kinda my issue with the 252. Its just a slower, much less maneuverable Swift with at best 4s more boost. I wish it had maybe 5s more boost (for 15s total) and better acceleration across all speed parameters. Or just better guns.

Yea, I've not gotten the 252 to spec yet, but what I remember of the non-spec swift.. it really just feels like a swift with shorter ranged guns that are actually harder to land. Maybe I'm missing something there? I mean, it's not that it's bad as a plane it would seem.. just.. not good? *shrug* I'll get it to spec eventually and then maybe she'll be a different birdie.. but for now I find the T9 far more fun/funny.



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The more i look at the 252 the more it confuses me ... the guns at least make some kind of sense; what with a single engine interceptor airframe carrying half the guns found on multi engine heavy/attack lines.  One or two less guns means room for more ammo (or less overheat in game)

It "looks" just like the P1101 ... which does what it does with an engine that gives 1300 kilos of thrust.
and the 252 program decided to shoehorn in an engine that gives 3400 kilos of thrust. its almost 200% extra power.
that difference is good for not a whole hella lot when you look at the numbers
an additional 9 m/s of climb rate (about 5% more), 2 more seconds of boost (a 25% increase in duration "for a Fighter" yet a bit underwhelming compared to an actual Multirole) and 50 kph of top cruise and boost speeds  (about 6-8% improvements)
oh this engine must weight a lot heavier. so it can get about 100kph faster in a dive.
And somehow; the 252 has the same combat ceiling?

And in spite of the 252 getting the same looking airframe as the 1101
It manages to do a full turn a second and a half slower in spite of a bit over 50% EXTRA roll rate.

I just dont understand what is happening here. 

[EDIT] well i slept on it and this is what i came up with. Seeing as i am a looooong way away from this bird does anyone wanna play test this out?

Spoiler

Edited by wylleEcoyote, 28 January 2020 - 03:28 PM.

Fair warning. My success rate at speculative guesswork is on par with my WinRate. Hit or Miss.
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Light Fighters:  Ar 68/80, Bf 109 B/E/E-3/F/G, Fw 159, He 51/100 D-1/112, Ho 229, Me 209 A/ v4/ P.1092, Spit.V DB605​, Ta 152 
Ki-5/8/10/27/43-1, A4N/5M, Hurricane Ia, Bristol 146, Spitfire Vb IM, DH.100 F1, I-17Yak-1MiG-3
P-23/36/36C/39N-1/40, XP-31/36F/55, Hawk 75M, Model 81A-1, , P-51A, XF15C

MultiRole Fighters: Type 91, P-12/26/35/43, XP-44, P-47B, F11C-2, F4F/U-1, 
TyphoonAr 65, Fw 190 A-1/5/D, BV P.210, I-5/15/16(e)(l)

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Attack Aircraft: BSh-2, Hs 123/129 A, Ha 137, Fw 189 C, Ju 87 G, Me 265, Me 1099 B-2
Bombers: Do 17 Z, He 111 H2, Pe-2, Do 217 M
 


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View PostwylleEcoyote, on 27 January 2020 - 02:44 PM, said:

The more i look at the 252 the more it confuses me ...

It "looks" just like the P1101 ... which does what it does with an engine that gives 1300 kilos of thrust.
and the 252 program decided to shoehorn in an engine that gives 3400 kilos of thrust.
that difference is good for an additional 9 m/s of climb, 50 kph of top cruise and boost speeds  oh can get about 100kph faster in a dive.
Buuut the 252 somehow has the same combat ceiling.

And in spite of the 252 getting the same looking airframe as the 1101 It manages to do a full turn a second and a half slower in spite of a bit over 50% EXTRA roll rate.

I just dont understand what is happening here. 

 

The 252 sux.  :(


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SpiritFoxMY #14 Posted 29 January 2020 - 03:46 PM

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View PostwylleEcoyote, on 28 January 2020 - 03:44 AM, said:

The more i look at the 252 the more it confuses me ... the guns at least make some kind of sense; what with a single engine interceptor airframe carrying half the guns found on multi engine heavy/attack lines.  One or two less guns means room for more ammo (or less overheat in game)

It "looks" just like the P1101 ... which does what it does with an engine that gives 1300 kilos of thrust.
and the 252 program decided to shoehorn in an engine that gives 3400 kilos of thrust. its almost 200% extra power.
that difference is good for not a whole hella lot when you look at the numbers
an additional 9 m/s of climb rate (about 5% more), 2 more seconds of boost (a 25% increase in duration "for a Fighter" yet a bit underwhelming compared to an actual Multirole) and 50 kph of top cruise and boost speeds  (about 6-8% improvements)
oh this engine must weight a lot heavier. so it can get about 100kph faster in a dive.
And somehow; the 252 has the same combat ceiling?

And in spite of the 252 getting the same looking airframe as the 1101
It manages to do a full turn a second and a half slower in spite of a bit over 50% EXTRA roll rate.

I just dont understand what is happening here. 

[EDIT] well i slept on it and this is what i came up with. Seeing as i am a looooong way away from this bird does anyone wanna play test this out?

Spoiler

 

So I had a couple of experiences in the 252 back in the day. The first was an encounter with Goat_Mesiah in his Spec 1092. I was running a full turn Spec 252 with LWF and LPU unspec. I kept booming him but couldn't connect with the 30s. All he did was dodge my attacks and just go about doing whatever he wanted, taking chunks off me on the side. I hit him twice the whole match. And shot down one bot for a grand total of 3900PP.

 

The next time, I went full speed with Polish and Turbine. Ran into a Sabre and a KI-162-III. Sabre just charged at me and I couldn't outrun him. Even with a full tank of boost he just followed me around chasing me across the map while his bots cleaned up. I ended that battle with 500PP and sold the 252 immediately after


Edited by SpiritFoxMY, 29 January 2020 - 03:47 PM.

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those damn 30mms.        I envy those that can hit stuff with them, other than a bomber 


but bomber killing was their primary RL mission       and I suppose heavies, too


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So which did you go with SFMY?
C'est magnifique, mais ce n'est pas le SerB.

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View Posthoom, on 16 February 2020 - 09:38 AM, said:

So which did you go with SFMY?

 

I went with the I-215 in the end. Its an interesting plane but will require a lot of practice since it relies entirely on its guns to actually work.


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hoom #18 Posted 16 February 2020 - 04:53 AM

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Sweet I find it pretty hilariously fun :)

Guns just seem to work for me.


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