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Longsite #1 Posted 12 January 2020 - 08:22 PM

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Hey everyone, blindfold and WOWP community

 

blindfold and wowp staff, please talk and check with your programmers about how u place individuals on to  teams and into each team battle.   I'm not whining, or feeling bad because I lost a battle, in fact I just don't care anymore....   I just got out of a battle in which my whole team has combined 972 battles participated, that's 6 other players/pilots that went into battle with me, now remember that combined.  I feel bad that all these new players are not given a chance to win, on the other team 5 of their members had more battles participated  in by each person more than my whole team had together, wth. 

 

Each person on the other side had more that 1200 participated battles, why do that to all these newbie's?  With all the technology and smart programmers that is out there U can't do better then that.   I have post a pic's to show how they placed, its a shame that they are not put in a position that will lead them to better game play, if U set them up to lose/fail they will, plus their bots sucked....   Why do that to them.....  

 

blindfold and wowp staff it's your game, do what u want but there is no gaming if no one plays and with the way U are running thing, many will quit....   just saying....   Well that wasn't fun but real, good luck to all and happy hunting.....

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wylleEcoyote #2 Posted 12 January 2020 - 08:28 PM

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So ... somehow you were in a game with more humans than bots?  A very real and never ending problem with this games small playerbase...

And all you can do is complain about the distribution of players based on games played? 

:sceptic:
 

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SkyWolf__WM #3 Posted 12 January 2020 - 08:35 PM

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Climbing tiers too quickly is a problem. Looks like those "noobs" had no business being above tier 1, maybe 2.  :sceptic:
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Captain_Underpants53 #4 Posted 12 January 2020 - 10:12 PM

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View PostLongsite, on 12 January 2020 - 03:22 PM, said:

Hey everyone, blindfold and WOWP community

 

blindfold and wowp staff, please talk and check with your programmers about how u place individuals on to  teams and into each team battle.   I'm not whining, or feeling bad because I lost a battle, in fact I just don't care anymore....   I just got out of a battle in which my whole team has combined 972 battles participated, that's 6 other players/pilots that went into battle with me, now remember that combined.  I feel bad that all these new players are not given a chance to win, on the other team 5 of their members had more battles participated  in by each person more than my whole team had together, wth. 

 

Each person on the other side had more that 1200 participated battles, why do that to all these newbie's?  With all the technology and smart programmers that is out there U can't do better then that.   I have post a pic's to show how they placed, its a shame that they are not put in a position that will lead them to better game play, if U set them up to lose/fail they will, plus their bots sucked....   Why do that to them.....  

 

blindfold and wowp staff it's your game, do what u want but there is no gaming if no one plays and with the way U are running thing, many will quit....   just saying....   Well that wasn't fun but real, good luck to all and happy hunting.....


I'm sorry but that screenshot is laugh out loud funny.  But I strongly suspect that if I had been in that battle, I wouldn't think it so funny.


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CorvusCorvax #5 Posted 13 January 2020 - 02:30 AM

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That's a big batch of spuds right there.

 



GonerNL #6 Posted 13 January 2020 - 09:16 AM

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View PostLongsite, on 12 January 2020 - 09:22 PM, said:

With all the technology and smart programmers that is out there U can't do better then that.  

 

Problem is that the smart programmers are not on the Wowp team.

And as you notice, there is no real balancing ; the only balancing is that matchmaker tries to get the same number of bots/humans, PVP planes (all fighter types) and PVE planes (bombers, attackers) on both teams. And that is all. Flights, specialization, HoF rank, experience, nothing is taken into account.

 


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blindfoId #7 Posted 13 January 2020 - 09:45 AM

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View PostLongsite, on 12 January 2020 - 11:22 PM, said:

Hey everyone, blindfold and WOWP community

 

 

Hello Longsite,

 

The principles of our matchmaking system are described in the following article. I hope you'll find it useful. 

 

Cheers and good hunting!



SgtZak #8 Posted 13 January 2020 - 12:37 PM

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As I have said many times, an entire human team could lose to an all BOT team.  It’’s a Roll of the dice.  That said, we have to guard against the current societal mistaken belief that everything has to be “fair” in life, to include games you play for free.  While the above result is unfortunate, I do not think it’s common.

HoujuuNue #9 Posted 13 January 2020 - 01:06 PM

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View PostblindfoId, on 13 January 2020 - 04:45 AM, said:

 

Hello Longsite,

 

The principles of our matchmaking system are described in the following article. I hope you'll find it useful. 

 

Cheers and good hunting!

 

According to this article, the following are broken:

 

  • MM always puts 2 bombers and 4 multiroles on a team. The article says the ratio for bombers is 1 and multiroles is 5.
  • Sometimes there are 5/12 planes higher tier and 7/12 planes lower tier. The article says it's 1/3 higher tier and 2/3 lower tier meaning 4 higher tier and 8 lower tier.

Edited by HoujuuNue, 13 January 2020 - 01:08 PM.


GonerNL #10 Posted 13 January 2020 - 02:36 PM

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This looks broken too ; "This means that if one team has 7 dogfight-oriented aircraft on its side, the matchmaker will balance them with 7 machines from the same category" ...

I've been in battles with Spits and Zeros on one side and Fw-190s and assorted MR's on the other team. It looks as if all fighters (light, multi-role and heavy) are in the same "category".

 


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Trauglodyte #11 Posted 13 January 2020 - 04:03 PM

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Sure is fun getting put in a tier 6 game, against a specced Spitfire, in my tier 5 gun based GAA - that MMer document is singling loud and proud, Blindfold!

Shizzywiznut #12 Posted 13 January 2020 - 08:09 PM

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I was wondering why I usually get higher tiers for most battles, because I am worth 2, or better put, I am a flight unto myself, and when I flight up with someone it evens out. It's time to go fly some tier 11!:kamikaze:

MudRaker227 #13 Posted 14 January 2020 - 06:31 PM

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I save myself the current matchmaking and garbage teammate headaches by simply not entering battle.

 

The planes in my hanger do look nice and shiny though.

 

Maybe WoWp should institute basic ranked 1vs1 battles as an option, like they did over on WoWs a few weeks ago. Absolute fun for those who had some skills and the correct ships, as it took the "arcade" RNG factor out of the game (similar to what needs to happen in this plane game).

 

 



comealong1 #14 Posted 15 January 2020 - 12:07 AM

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It just is not working!.. Can't play singles anymore either.

Perrigrino #15 Posted 16 January 2020 - 04:16 AM

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and then there's this from the Patch Notes provided by BF:

 

"The main factors that the matchmaker takes into account are aircraft tiers"

 

Longsite's team was mostly T4 compared to a lopsided roster filled with T5 humans.

 

Just amazing how the 1st two respondents interpret the situation and the solutions... not sure how any of that is suppose to be constructive. Longsite has been at this game for a very long time. He doesn't troll like others, so consider the author, and the message. Problems with MM have been going on for far too long and WG, in their defence, use the word "BALANCE" in all their patch notes, home site etc, describing an element of the game that they try to achieve- BALANCE- at a snails pace. That's why we have Specialization!- too even things out and ultimately have an advantage over our opponents- now that's WoWP Balance !!

 

WG idea of Balance is a Mystery, like many other things in this game..

 

 


Edited by Perrigrino, 16 January 2020 - 04:17 AM.





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