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metus_regem #1 Posted 13 December 2019 - 09:55 PM

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Sorry if this has been posted before, but as a fairly new player to WoWP, I recently unlocked the 109E in the German line and I'm finding it to be rather beastly, even the 109B was beastly for me, as in 10-15k point games for me are not uncommon in either plane. Yet I really have to work to get my F4F, 110B or P-38F to get scores like that.

 

 

Please don't mistake this for a bragging post, I'm sure there are better pilots out there than me, I just wanted to know if I'm just a match with the 109E or if it's the plane carrying me to such scores.



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View Postmetus_regem, on 13 December 2019 - 01:55 PM, said:

Sorry if this has been posted before, but as a fairly new player to WoWP, I recently unlocked the 109E in the German line and I'm finding it to be rather beastly, even the 109B was beastly for me, as in 10-15k point games for me are not uncommon in either plane. Yet I really have to work to get my F4F, 110B or P-38F to get scores like that.

 

 

Please don't mistake this for a bragging post, I'm sure there are better pilots out there than me, I just wanted to know if I'm just a match with the 109E or if it's the plane carrying me to such scores.

 

Yes, it is one of the best Tier V tech tree planes. The P-38F requires more skill, but it, in the right hands, has been touted as THE best Tier V tech tree plane, and one of the best OVERALL Tier V planes.

 

 

Boom and zoom is a very powerful, very match-influencing playstyle, and both planes are designed to be played in that manner.


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metus_regem #3 Posted 13 December 2019 - 10:08 PM

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View Postlegoboy0401, on 13 December 2019 - 09:59 PM, said:

 

Yes, it is one of the best Tier V tech tree planes. The P-38F requires more skill, but it, in the right hands, has been touted as THE best Tier V tech tree plane, and one of the best OVERALL Tier V planes.

 

 

Boom and zoom is a very powerful, very match-influencing playstyle, and both planes are designed to be played in that manner.

 

 

Thanks for getting back to me about it, I try to use the P-38 in a BnZ style of play, but with the 109E I use it in a mix BnZ and turn fighter, depending on what I'm getting stuck in with. Though Spit mk 1's seem to eat my 109 alive no mater what I do.



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View Postmetus_regem, on 13 December 2019 - 02:08 PM, said:

 

 

Thanks for getting back to me about it, I try to use the P-38 in a BnZ style of play, but with the 109E I use it in a mix BnZ and turn fighter, depending on what I'm getting stuck in with. Though Spit mk 1's seem to eat my 109 alive no mater what I do.

 

Do you want to flight some time? I have both planes, in fact, I am keeping both.

 

 

In the Bf-109 E, presuming you don't turn(turning bleeds your speed), you should usually have the speed/energy to outrun a Spitfire I or Ia.


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metus_regem #5 Posted 13 December 2019 - 10:19 PM

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Sure, it'd be fun!

 

I usually try to burn past a Spit but they seem to be able to twist around behind me and down me with the 20mm's before I get away, sometimes I've got to turn and that's when they really nail me.

 

I'm debating if I want to trade in my P-38F for the J model when I unlock it, I'm a huge fan of the P-38 ever since I saw a flying one when I was thirteen. I find that there is a lot of match overlap with T5/6 matched for me when I fly it, but I get more 4/5 matches when I get the 109E out.



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109 E certainly is very good but its not an insta-win.

If you're getting 10-15k battles easily with it then you're doing it right!

 

Spits are some of the more difficult enemies, you basically need to either kill on first pass or at least land a wing/engine crit.

Specialist gives even better turn or enables to sacrifice some turn for better speed.

 

109 F is quicker but you lose 2 of your 20mms so its relatively much less powerful & widely disliked.

G gets to upgrade to Mk 108 30mm for better pew pew.

 

P-38F -> J is similar in that J is basically just quicker with the same firepower while other lines get a more all-round performance boost from T5 -> 6.


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metus_regem #7 Posted 14 December 2019 - 12:01 AM

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Well I wouldn't say that 10-15k games are easy, but I don't feel like I have to really work that hard to do that well. By comparison when using the F4F I feel like I really have to be on my game to break 9k with it in a great match. The 109 B/E both made me feel a little guilty with how often scores in the 10k+ range happen, so I just wanted to know how they fell in the general thoughts of the player base.

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As a Spitfire pilot, a well-flown 109E makes my blood run cold.  Newbies in 109s are usually easy kills to Spitfires, but a well flown 109 that keeps their energy up?  Even if I fly well, I haven't figured out how to out-fly a /good/ 109.  Turn fighters thrive on people trying to play their game.  a 109 at high speed, refuses to play their game and the turn fighters can do jack squat about it.

 

F4Fs are fresh meat.  I don't consider them any kind of threat at all, regardless of what I am flying.  Pilots good enough to beat me in an F4F usually fly something better.


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 By comparison when using the F4F I feel like I really have to be on my game to break 9k with it in a great match.

 Yeah, F4F is basically one of the worst T5s in the game so don't feel bad about that.

I Specialised & put Ultimate equipment on it trying to get it to perform & become a keeper, it was still a turd.

F4U-1 is really good though so that makes up for the effort.


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View Posthoom, on 13 December 2019 - 08:09 PM, said:

 Yeah, F4F is basically one of the worst T5s in the game so don't feel bad about that.

I Specialised & put Ultimate equipment on it trying to get it to perform & become a keeper, it was still a turd.

F4U-1 is really good though so that makes up for the effort.

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metus_regem #11 Posted 14 December 2019 - 05:32 PM

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Ugh... had a match in F4F, worked my tail off and got 6k points on a loss. Took out my 109E after, had an average match and got 8k...

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Yep.  The Wildcat as they put it in this game is...bad.  T5 is the home of turn fighters, and while the real F4F was actually pretty turny (except compared to the zero) that's not implemented in game.  F4F doesn't have a lot of speed, not terribly maneuverable and the stall speed they assigned it, should make WG ashamed of themselves.  It rolls nice, and that's about the best I can say about it.  It's better than the XF4U-1, but that's not saying anything.

 

F4U-1 though...that's a nice plane.  it took me some time to warm up to it, but once I did...very nice plane.  Those 20mm just make things go away.


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THe trick for dealing with spits is to watch your altitude.  Once you give them a gun pass you should pull up to anywhere about 1500 meters where you can get your best speed. For a spit fire trying to keep up ... well they are 200-300 meters into the yellow section of their altitude at 1500 meters.
where they take enough loss to their engine power that they cant catch you in the long run
In the short run however ... if they have a full tank of boost they can keep you within range of those 20's long enough to land a few hits.  
If you went too low and you're trying to escape below 1200meters ... the Spit can catch you. With Boost available? It will catch you.

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The 109E, Spitfire I and P38F are basically the triumvirate of doom at tier 5. Every other plane pales in comparison.

 

P40, MiG3, Beaufighter, Pe2 and Ju88A are all competitive as well. The others are generally range from extremely niche to straight out cannon fodder. 

 

(Also, special note about the Spit - its actually faster on the flat than an Emil so always keep your energy up) 


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View PostSpiritFoxMY, on 14 December 2019 - 06:44 PM, said:

The 109E, Spitfire I and P38F are basically the triumvirate of doom at tier 5. Every other plane pales in comparison.

 

P40, MiG3, Beaufighter, Pe2 and Ju88A are all competitive as well. The others are generally range from extremely niche to straight out cannon fodder. 

 

(Also, special note about the Spit - its actually faster on the flat than an Emil so always keep your energy up) 


Ki-45 is basically a sky KV-2. Like the KV-2, there are better, more traditional choices at its tier. But, it’s utterly hilarious!

 

 

Bf-110 E is Joe Schmo, not especially good or bad, in the right hands, better than average, in the wrong hands, far, far worse.

 

 

Yak-7 is basically a Tier V Yak-9 or 9U, only scaled down but with rockets. All you need to know.

 

 

A6M3, good 30 mm armed Zero, but tricky, and like all the Zeroes, a 1-trick pony.

 

 

SE-100, my main plane, because it’s solid and reliable and good at pawning Tier IVs, and not bad against Tier Vs or even VIs. Enough said.

 

 

I-21. Mohammed Ali’s ghost. Ultra—unbelievably-ridiculously-stupidly-wonderfully-beautifully-crazily-terrifyingly-horribly-ultra-incredibly-superbly-shockingly-super-ultra-mindbogglingly-ultra-rare. Best Tier V in the game, hands down, and only one person on the server has one: George Patton. Don’t believe the warplanes page when it says that this plane is still in testing, it isn’t, and hasn’t been for some time, it is a Super Test Coordinator gift plane. Be thankful this server only has one collectively, because in Mother Russia they flight the darn things and OWN everybody else.

 

 

Boomerang. Shh... The best-kept secret of a a not-super-rare Tier V Premium in the game. I dare not say more, for fear someone will hunt me down and beat me up.


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View Postlegoboy0401, on 14 December 2019 - 09:04 PM, said:


Ki-45 is basically a sky KV-2. Like the KV-2, there are better, more traditional choices at its tier. But, it’s utterly hilarious!

 

 

Bf-110 E is Joe Schmo, not especially good or bad, in the right hands, better than average, in the wrong hands, far, far worse.

 

 

Yak-7 is basically a Tier V Yak-9 or 9U, only scaled down but with rockets. All you need to know.

 

 

A6M3, good 30 mm armed Zero, but tricky, and like all the Zeroes, a 1-trick pony.

 

 

SE-100, my main plane, because it’s solid and reliable and good at pawning Tier IVs, and not bad against Tier Vs or even VIs. Enough said.

 

 

I-21. Mohammed Ali’s ghost. Ultra—unbelievably-ridiculously-stupidly-wonderfully-beautifully-crazily-terrifyingly-horribly-ultra-incredibly-superbly-shockingly-super-ultra-mindbogglingly-ultra-rare. Best Tier V in the game, hands down, and only one person on the server has one: George Patton. Don’t believe the warplanes page when it says that this plane is still in testing, it isn’t, and hasn’t been for some time, it is a Super Test Coordinator gift plane. Be thankful this server only has one collectively, because in Mother Russia they flight the darn things and OWN everybody else.

 

 

Boomerang. Shh... The best-kept secret of a a not-super-rare Tier V Premium in the game. I dare not say more, for fear someone will hunt me down and beat me up.

I-21: A gamebreaking mechanical remuneration for employees. Something that wouldn't be allowed in any other game I've ever played. Nuff said.



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View PostStygian_Alchemist, on 14 December 2019 - 09:33 PM, said:

I-21: A gamebreaking mechanical remuneration for employees. Something that wouldn't be allowed in any other game I've ever played. Nuff said.


Exactly. Mohammed Ali’s ghost. As unseen as a ghost, and as OP as Mohammed Ali.

 

 

Also, as you said, a completely game-breaking paper project piece of Russian Bias only given to a TINY number of employees, just like Alabama was supposed to be in WOWS, before the community’s rioting forced them to merely make a EXCLUSIVE ALABAMA SKIN that employee compensation instead of the ENTIRE SHIP.


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Alabama was not overpowered though.  It was not employee compensation however, it was a supertest reward.  Supertesters were not employees, they are unpaid volunteers.

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Also, showing difference between servers, anyone can buy the Alabama on the Euro WoWS servers.  Only OP (at the time) ships I can think of in the EU were the Kamikaze (tier 5 DD), which many of us have anyhow and can no longer be bought (and the Minekaze was not that much of a nerf) and the Flint, which was a Ranked Battles reward for a while but for a good year or so you've been able to buy with steel (if you can get enough).  Actually been a few other premiums that have been permanently removed from sale but can crop up in containers -  Nikolai (tier 4 BB) and HMS Belfast (tier 8 cruiser)

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View PostStygian_Alchemist, on 15 December 2019 - 12:33 AM, said:

I-21: A gamebreaking mechanical remuneration for employees. Something that wouldn't be allowed in any other game I've ever played. Nuff said.


True. But like all things in this game; if it has hitpoints, you can kill it. Even the I-21. 



I only saw it once. In a saturday night community fight.
We were goofing around in tier 7's and George brought out the I-21 for some reason or other. I told you we were goofing around.
Then someone in the voice chat said, "that wasnt so bad. Tier 5 is chock full of OP planes anyway. whats one more?" 
So of course, a tier 5 map was set up. George welcomed the opportunity to show us the true nature of that evil lil monster.


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The battle continues on. And all of us are pulling out our super secret #TryHardTricks to kill George. 
And that worked about as well as you would expect.

While simultaneously sending the other 5-6 players  (each in their own favorite OP tier 5's) back to re-spawn 2+ times each; George finds ways to kill me 4 more times that battle.
I dont think i managed to inflict enough total damage in the rest of the battle to kill him, even once.

The I-21 is a cancer.  Be grateful that there is only one on the server and it is safe-guarded by such a nice person.


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