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White_Widow18 #21 Posted 09 December 2019 - 08:30 PM

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Idea: PvE only mode you can then background Queue into normal or pvp-pure mode, when there's a full load of players you get drug into the other match?

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View PostStygian_Alchemist, on 09 December 2019 - 08:30 PM, said:

Idea: PvE only mode you can then background Queue into normal or pvp-pure mode, when there's a full load of players you get drug into the other match?

 

That sounds great. Instead of doing nothing for 20 minutes waiting for a 5-minute battle, you're fighting bots the whole time until the queue is full.



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View PostMaqor, on 09 December 2019 - 02:38 PM, said:

 

That sounds great. Instead of doing nothing for 20 minutes waiting for a 5-minute battle, you're fighting bots the whole time until the queue is full.

Exactly, would allow you to still be earning silver, stats, and grinding on things like dailies instead of just staring at a screen in boredom.. and it would allow them to lengthen the queue time to ensure higher player vs. player groupings.. 

Also, maybe add in the ability to select a tier "range" so that you can also match the greatest # of players the fastest. You pick the specific plane at the start of the battle.. something like that?



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Being new, to the game, I have to admit that I'm a bit torn.  I miss pure player versus player, offered by WoT.  But, in WoT, it is a single life and you're done.  Plus, as mentioned, you don't want multiple planes on a single player, due to the overall frailty of each aircraft - you'd need to increase health by 3-5 fold, to make it viable (or completely bork dispersion/dps).  There is also the issue of some people not being able to adapt to a true 3D game, since combat is on all three axes, which makes bots viable. 

 

On the other hand, I don't much like the idea of shooting just bots because, as seen in too many games, bots are both bad and unpredictable.  They're already too incapable of being controlled and you don't have any control over defense planes.  So, you'd almost have to have it be wave after wave, of bots, against a single life player base sort of like the WoT game mode Home Front (or the Dwarven ring quest chain in Ever Quest's Scars of Vellious expansion, if you remember that).

 

At any rate, I'm tired of capping things.  There is no fun in that.  So, something needs to give.  But, I'm a new player so my input is largely unimportant, compared to that of you paying long standing vets.



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View PostTrauglodyte, on 09 December 2019 - 04:23 PM, said:

Being new, to the game, I have to admit that I'm a bit torn.  I miss pure player versus player, offered by WoT.  But, in WoT, it is a single life and you're done.  Plus, as mentioned, you don't want multiple planes on a single player, due to the overall frailty of each aircraft - you'd need to increase health by 3-5 fold, to make it viable (or completely bork dispersion/dps).  There is also the issue of some people not being able to adapt to a true 3D game, since combat is on all three axes, which makes bots viable. 

 

On the other hand, I don't much like the idea of shooting just bots because, as seen in too many games, bots are both bad and unpredictable.  They're already too incapable of being controlled and you don't have any control over defense planes.  So, you'd almost have to have it be wave after wave, of bots, against a single life player base sort of like the WoT game mode Home Front (or the Dwarven ring quest chain in Ever Quest's Scars of Vellious expansion, if you remember that).

 

At any rate, I'm tired of capping things.  There is no fun in that.  So, something needs to give.  But, I'm a new player so my input is largely unimportant, compared to that of you paying long standing vets.

Personally, as a "no longer rookie", I find the newer players' desires to be more compelling. You're the ones more likely to leave because of a lack of change than those who've been here forever.

That said.. I like domination style maps.. but even I wish we could at least have attrition mode as a regular game mode. Bomber escort would be nice.. if they could ever bloody well balance it.



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it's just so -unusual- to me that bomber escort seems to have been shelved

 

we fly BEM in every Saturday Night Live training room.    we've tried dozens and dozens of odd combinations of red bot planes

 

it's a frustrating mode, so different than plain vanilla conquest.     we'd love to see it again, WG.     Tia

 

Attrition...  you can just go suck it

 

View PostLeastWeasel, on 09 December 2019 - 01:36 PM, said:

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no idea what that means


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View Posttrikke, on 09 December 2019 - 10:09 PM, said:

it's just so -unusual- to me that bomber escort seems to have been shelved

 

we fly BEM in every Saturday Night Live training room.    we've tried dozens and dozens of odd combinations of red bot planes

 

it's a frustrating mode, so different than plain vanilla conquest.     we'd love to see it again, WG.     Tia

 

Attrition...  you can just go suck it

 

 

no idea what that means

^^ Yeah... what he said and ditto on the confusion

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if the pilot's good, see, I mean, if he's really..sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low [he spreads his arms like wings and laughs],

you oughtta see it sometime, it's a sight. A big plane like a '52. VRROOM! There's jet exhaust, fryin' chickens in the barnyard.


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Tritto on the confusion.
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View PostStygian_Alchemist, on 09 December 2019 - 10:44 PM, said:

Personally, as a "no longer rookie", I find the newer players' desires to be more compelling. You're the ones more likely to leave because of a lack of change than those who've been here forever.

That said.. I like domination style maps.. but even I wish we could at least have attrition mode as a regular game mode. Bomber escort would be nice.. if they could ever bloody well balance it.

 

I find my perspective to be a bit distorted.  I've been playing war games, for a long time.  I think that my first real one was Panzer General and Steel Panthers, with some other games on Nintendo.  But, in terms of games like this, I think all of them have been purely PvP.  Even things like Mechwarrior, while having PvE, had a massive draw to player versus player.  Beyond that, I came to WoWP and WoWS, from WoT.  That, in and of itself, is an interesting wrinkle because WoT is either kill all or capture a single base.  WoWS is kill all or capture points.  Because of the small community, WoWP is multi-respawn + capture points.

 

So, taking all of that into account, I'd much prefer purely human player only combat.  But, I also understand that a fully 3D game, with combat on all three axes, is difficult AND the draw, for this game, isn't that great - flight simulators, and related games, never have large communities.  I don't like shooting bots.  I don't like having bots help me.  And I don't like having bots involved in capturing things - nothing worse than watching 2 GAA bots and a bomber bot dry hump a factory node and do nothing for over 3 minutes.

 

To make something different work, you'd need to, in my mind, have a separate play mode where players were given a choice between either a tier 5 or a tier 10 plane.  That would eliminate the issue with the number of players per tier.  Said planes would be fully maxed, thus allowing everyone to just jump in and, as a team of non-bots, smash through wave after wave of combat.  WoT Homefront (https://worldoftanks.com/en/news/game-modes/homefront-regulations-0719/) was really interesting AND it was fun.  I could see that being something of a staple game mode, in WoWP, that would have a pretty good draw.

 

At the end of the day, the biggest worry that I have, in making any changes to the game, is maintaining the player base.  With it already being small, you can't do anything that would splinter it, thus making lots of "normal battles" where it is you and nothing but bots.  There are things to be explored, that go beyond the bland vanilla that currently exists.  It all comes down to what WarGaming is willing to do and how much both WarGaming and the community is willing to invest, to get it done.



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View Posttrikke, on 09 December 2019 - 10:09 PM, said:

it's just so -unusual- to me that bomber escort seems to have been shelved

 

we fly BEM in every Saturday Night Live training room.    we've tried dozens and dozens of odd combinations of red bot planes

 

it's a frustrating mode, so different than plain vanilla conquest.     we'd love to see it again, WG.     Tia

 

Attrition...  you can just go suck it

 

 

no idea what that means

 

 

Oho, that popped up in this thread? Basically, the Spit pilot was admonishing me for repeatedly not entering duels with him, and gunning him down with my Hurricane when he wasn’t paying attention. Gave the impression they were salty because they had the idea they’d always win in a straight-up dogfight, and thought I was being a predatory opportunist. 

 

 

Which, yeah, of course I was. Not going to engage in contest of daring acrobatics vs a Spit. 

 

:p That’s the other part of the tale I inexplicably forgot to include in that original post - I just kept downing him again & again when he came at me - kept him at range until he got distracted, and then BOOM.



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Well according to word from the RU server, the events will officially begin on the 20th with a Russian Premium plane as the prize for a mission marathon.

 

Edit: I should point out that a lot of this stuff I get on the official discord, courtesy of others who do the hard work of digging.


Edited by SpiritFoxMY, 10 December 2019 - 05:23 PM.

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White_Widow18 #32 Posted 10 December 2019 - 08:12 PM

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Ya know.. TBH.. the only thing wrong with this game are the trolls in the forums as far as I am concerned.... The ones who keep posting all the sky is falling level nonsense specifically. I really wish WG would clean that up.

Editing to add: Oh.. and easily disprovable claim "THEY MOVED ALL THE DEVS"

Yep... that's -exactly- why we're getting a Christmas even that would require programming.. because all the devs are gone.

*Eyeroll* That would be exactly why the only reason the IM event didn't happen was because INtellectual property reasons right?

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View PostSink_Stuff, on 10 December 2019 - 12:14 PM, said:

 

So that's that. This game might as well officially be in maintenance mode. No dev's means it's over. I bothered to come to this website today because I wanted to see what the holiday bags were going to contain. LOL. Looks like they aren't even having a Christmas event in this game. 

 

What no one is bothering to say that is the reality here is

 

1. No new planes

2. No new events

3. Barely any bug fixes

4. No new patches

 

The game is in maintenance mode, but because it's Christmas time, they don't want to officially tell people that and they hope that people will waste their money on this game not knowing that it's basically over. What it is now, is what it is always going to be, bugs and all probably. That is, until they finally pull the plug on the servers.

 

Wargaming didn't listen to players. They decided to spend money trying to redevelop this game and they refused to listen to players and instead did their own thing. It failed. And this 2.0 re-work was the second major failure in this game. The first was the game itself. But even 1.0 was better than 2.0. This company has now failed at more games than they ever succeeded. They have what, 6 failed games now and at least one or two that were killed before they even got off the ground. What do people expect from a game company that only made one failed game before WOT was created. These people were not gaming pro's in the industry. They were upstarts who believed that they walked on water because of the early financial success of what is obviously for them a one hit wonder, WOT. In over ten years time they haven't learned much at all, failing to listen to players who tell them reality time and time again. They were so arrogant they thought they were always right even though everything was proving constantly how wrong they actually were. We are talking about a company that NEVER learns just how bad they really are at designing games. The miracle is that they survive as a company at all really.

 

So you all might as well say your goodbyes to each other now. It's finished, maintenance mode, and no one is going to stay around long for that. Eventually the official word will be released. Probably after the holidays in February, the traditional lowest sales time for any company. You all tried to tell them just how often and just how bad they were messing things up. They are just too arrogant and inexperienced to listen.  

 

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View PostStygian_Alchemist, on 10 December 2019 - 08:12 PM, said:

Ya know.. TBH.. the only thing wrong with this game are the trolls in the forums as far as I am concerned.... The ones who keep posting all the sky is falling level nonsense specifically. I really wish WG would clean that up.

Editing to add: Oh.. and easily disprovable claim "THEY MOVED ALL THE DEVS"

Yep... that's -exactly- why we're getting a Christmas even that would require programming.. because all the devs are gone.

*Eyeroll* That would be exactly why the only reason the IM event didn't happen was because INtellectual property reasons right?

I have some ocean front property in Montana for sale if any of you are interested.

 

You'll have to forgive, Sink_Stuff.  He's terrible, across all three games and he complains, non-stop, across all three games.  Mediocrity does that, I suppose - wouldn't know.  Just bothersome that I have to put him on ignore on a third forum.



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View PostTrauglodyte, on 10 December 2019 - 04:19 PM, said:

 

You'll have to forgive, Sink_Stuff.  He's terrible, across all three games and he complains, non-stop, across all three games.  Mediocrity does that, I suppose - wouldn't know.  Just bothersome that I have to put him on ignore on a third forum.

We made the mistake of letting him into the clan when we first launched it. I'm just.. so tired of all the doom and gloom forum trolls with bad translations of Russian that are selectively clipped and posted.



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View PostStygian_Alchemist, on 10 December 2019 - 10:25 PM, said:

We made the mistake of letting him into the clan when we first launched it. I'm just.. so tired of all the doom and gloom forum trolls with bad translations of Russian that are selectively clipped and posted.

 

I'm sorry, to read that tidbit.  He "took a break", from WoT, and then upon entering in several games with me, he'd find the nearest puddle and drown.  THEN, he had the audacity to go to the boards and complain about teams.  There is a rumor, unsubstantiated as it is, that he bought his WoT account.  Regardless, it is nothing but boohoo, from him, all of the WoT forum.

 

The irony is that he's complaining about a game dying when it costs absolutely nothing to play it.  Let it die!  That won't hurt my bottom line, at all.  And, anything that I'm spending is forgettable so why bemoan it?  Some people...



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He wasn't part of the clan for long, though, was he?

 

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I saw the long reply, saw a serial complainer's name, then skipped it entirely.

 

I can handle melodrama, entitlement, or distortion of reality so long as there's a desire for things to get better. I see no point in helping someone be miserable, however.


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