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Landsraad #1 Posted 22 November 2019 - 04:54 AM

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Hey guys, long time no see! Yeah I'm not technically "new", I've played off and on going back to the beta and have six tier 6s, but it's been a really long while so I figured why not start here? Honestly I reinstalled Warplanes on kind of a whim. It's always a fun game, but hasn't really been able to hold my attention for one reason or another, I'm never really sure why. That said I did have a BLAST tonight helping a clanmate get his first tier 6, first by flying Bf 109 Es together and then by finishing up my own grind through the Stuka while he gave air support.

 

But I DO have a purpose in coming back. I've got ten tier 10s over in Warships and 4 in Tanks, but not a single one over here. I intend to rectify that. My goal in coming back is to at least make significant progress towards getting my first tier 10 aircraft, if not get one outright. Unfortunately I've got a dilemma. I really like the German lines, they're always the first ones I gravitate towards and both the German medium tanks and German cruisers were the first top-of-the-line vehicles I got in their respective games (the E 50 was my first "top tier" tank, before the E 50M came out). So far I've really enjoyed multirole fighters the most, and I LOVE the Fw 190, so no-brainer right? Just go for the "medium" line again and shoot for either the Fw 252 or BV P.215.02. Well... There's no way around it, while the Fw 252 looks like a nice plane I'm not sold on going for a pure fighter first, and I just am NOT a fan of how the Blom und Voss multirole fighters look. At all. I'd much rather go for the Me 262 and its variants but they're heavy fighters, I'm decidedly less good at heavy fighter play, I find. On the other hand I also have the P-51A Mustang, F4U-1 Corsair, P-47B Thunderbolt, and A6M5 Zero in my top tier planes that I could choose from if I were to break tradition.

 

In short, I need advice on a good first line to try going for tier 10 with. As of right now I'm mostly set on the Fw 190A5 as my main plane for grinding, but that could easily change and I have very fond memories of the A6M5 Zero and Bf 109F as well. I'm open to any and all advice here.

 

Besides that though, can I just say that it's absolutely criminal that the F6F Hellcat STILL isn't represented in some way? It'd be pretty cool to get the F8F Bearcat and F5F Skyrocket too, but the Hellcat was THE workhorse of the Navy! Just because it's (debatably) not as photogenic as the Corsair shouldn't count it out!


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VVS: I-17, I-16 (early), BSh-2  IJAAS/IJNAS: Ki-43-I Hayabusa, A6M5 Zero  RAF/RNFAA: Bristol Type 146, Hawker Hurricane I, Bristol Blenheim F
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legoboy0401 #2 Posted 22 November 2019 - 05:02 AM

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View PostLandsraad, on 21 November 2019 - 08:54 PM, said:

Hey guys, long time no see! Yeah I'm not technically "new", I've played off and on going back to the beta and have six tier 6s, but it's been a really long while so I figured why not start here? Honestly I reinstalled Warplanes on kind of a whim. It's always a fun game, but hasn't really been able to hold my attention for one reason or another, I'm never really sure why. That said I did have a BLAST tonight helping a clanmate get his first tier 6, first by flying Bf 109 Es together and then by finishing up my own grind through the Stuka while he gave air support.

 

But I DO have a purpose in coming back. I've got ten tier 10s over in Warships and 4 in Tanks, but not a single one over here. I intend to rectify that. My goal in coming back is to at least make significant progress towards getting my first tier 10 aircraft, if not get one outright. Unfortunately I've got a dilemma. I really like the German lines, they're always the first ones I gravitate towards and both the German medium tanks and German cruisers were the first top-of-the-line vehicles I got in their respective games (the E 50 was my first "top tier" tank, before the E 50M came out). So far I've really enjoyed multirole fighters the most, and I LOVE the Fw 190, so no-brainer right? Just go for the "medium" line again and shoot for either the Fw 252 or BV P.215.02. Well... There's no way around it, while the Fw 252 looks like a nice plane I'm not sold on going for a pure fighter first, and I just am NOT a fan of how the Blom und Voss multirole fighters look. At all. I'd much rather go for the Me 262 and its variants but they're heavy fighters, I'm decidedly less good at heavy fighter play, I find. On the other hand I also have the P-51A Mustang, F4U-1 Corsair, P-47B Thunderbolt, and A6M5 Zero in my top tier planes that I could choose from if I were to break tradition.

 

In short, I need advice on a good first line to try going for tier 10 with. As of right now I'm mostly set on the Fw 190A5 as my main plane for grinding, but that could easily change and I have very fond memories of the A6M5 Zero and Bf 109F as well. I'm open to any and all advice here.

 

Besides that though, can I just say that it's absolutely criminal that the F6F Hellcat STILL isn't represented in some way? It'd be pretty cool to get the F8F Bearcat and F5F Skyrocket too, but the Hellcat was THE workhorse of the Navy! Just because it's (debatably) not as photogenic as the Corsair shouldn't count it out!


A good first Tier X Heavy would be, from what I can tell(I don’t have any Tier Xs myself)Javelin of the British Heavy Fighter line(the easiest one to handle, and the most forgiving), and the German Bomber line is the the one you should go down first if you fancy trying your hand at grinding a Bomber line.


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Reitousair #3 Posted 22 November 2019 - 05:06 AM

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Welcome back!

 

Well, if you want Germans, then you should grind down the Messerschmitt line. The The Bf-109 F/G are very challenging to use but they are excellent energy fighters which lead to the very good Me-209 A and the arguably overpowered Me P.1092 and P.1101.

However the German heavies are also really good however the Bf-109 Z and Me-262 can be pretty difficult to fly.

 

The German multirole (Fw-190 line) has two dead ends for tier 10's, both of which are the worst tier 10's in the game.

 

Mustang line is difficult to get the hang of but are pretty nice, Corsairs have a bit of a dead end of a tier 10 that only shines when kitted out, Tbirds are just no, don't play the Republic line until you've played a lot, and the A6M line leads to the J7W3 which is currently a bit of a dead end.

 

Also, the Grumman line has been confirmed to be in development, when it will be released though is a mystery and we might never see it anytime soon.

 

 


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View PostLandsraad, on 21 November 2019 - 10:54 PM, said:

Hey guys, long time no see! Yeah I'm not technically "new", I've played off and on going back to the beta and have six tier 6s, but it's been a really long while so I figured why not start here? Honestly I reinstalled Warplanes on kind of a whim. It's always a fun game, but hasn't really been able to hold my attention for one reason or another, I'm never really sure why. That said I did have a BLAST tonight helping a clanmate get his first tier 6, first by flying Bf 109 Es together and then by finishing up my own grind through the Stuka while he gave air support.

 

But I DO have a purpose in coming back. I've got ten tier 10s over in Warships and 4 in Tanks, but not a single one over here. I intend to rectify that. My goal in coming back is to at least make significant progress towards getting my first tier 10 aircraft, if not get one outright. Unfortunately I've got a dilemma. I really like the German lines, they're always the first ones I gravitate towards and both the German medium tanks and German cruisers were the first top-of-the-line vehicles I got in their respective games (the E 50 was my first "top tier" tank, before the E 50M came out). So far I've really enjoyed multirole fighters the most, and I LOVE the Fw 190, so no-brainer right? Just go for the "medium" line again and shoot for either the Fw 252 or BV P.215.02. Well... There's no way around it, while the Fw 252 looks like a nice plane I'm not sold on going for a pure fighter first, and I just am NOT a fan of how the Blom und Voss multirole fighters look. At all. I'd much rather go for the Me 262 and its variants but they're heavy fighters, I'm decidedly less good at heavy fighter play, I find. On the other hand I also have the P-51A Mustang, F4U-1 Corsair, P-47B Thunderbolt, and A6M5 Zero in my top tier planes that I could choose from if I were to break tradition.

 

In short, I need advice on a good first line to try going for tier 10 with. As of right now I'm mostly set on the Fw 190A5 as my main plane for grinding, but that could easily change and I have very fond memories of the A6M5 Zero and Bf 109F as well. I'm open to any and all advice here.

 

Besides that though, can I just say that it's absolutely criminal that the F6F Hellcat STILL isn't represented in some way? It'd be pretty cool to get the F8F Bearcat and F5F Skyrocket too, but the Hellcat was THE workhorse of the Navy! Just because it's (debatably) not as photogenic as the Corsair shouldn't count it out!

T9/8 German MRF are... giddyingly fun. T10 is... not. It's a let-down compared to its two predecessors.. and the F190 planes are (generally) considered a lesson in pain-grinding. I do recommend the t8/9 German MRFs though. Nice birds with a good amount of zip to their turning, speed, guns, and once you figure out the rockets... hehe.. Suffice to say, fun.

T10s though... MMm. Out of the lines you've listed.. I'd almost suggest going through the pain of the next tier and picking up the german GAA line all the way to T10. The 7-10 German GAA tiers are just... magnifique! They're basically the heavy fighters with an altitude and speed limitation in exchange for more hp, more boost, and semi-functional ordnance. The other thing is that at T8-10 they get -double- gun equipment slots.. which... just... something about sniping a hardened target from the far side of the node, pulling the nose up and dropping two MRFs is... too much fun?

I generally, otherwise, agree with Reit. I'd caveat that I don't agree regarding the Cutlass.. for my skillset and use.. it's probably the only T10 MRF worth owning.. Though I suppose the British MRF Hunter isn't too bad either.


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Welcome back as well. 

 

When I started this game, my ultimate plane was the F86A Sabre.  So I went down that line quite a lot and only, say 5,000 battles down the line kinda sorta figured out how to fly that line.

 

But here's the good news...   Once you get to the P-51H, there's a branch in the tech tree for the F6U which is a T9 fighter that can hold its own at T10.  I love the P51D/H and even the FJ-1, but the most fun US fighter plane to play has got to be the F6U.  4 Cannons, no more Browning .50 cal pew-pew.  Agile, fairly fast, a bit prone to get blasted to smithereens, but a really fun plane.  

 

The F-86A isn't too bad, but with the .50 cals, a very finesse situation.  The .50 cals are fine up to T8, beyond, meh...



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View PostBobby_Tables, on 21 November 2019 - 11:39 PM, said:

Welcome back as well. 

 

When I started this game, my ultimate plane was the F86A Sabre.  So I went down that line quite a lot and only, say 5,000 battles down the line kinda sorta figured out how to fly that line.

 

But here's the good news...   Once you get to the P-51H, there's a branch in the tech tree for the F6U which is a T9 fighter that can hold its own at T10.  I love the P51D/H and even the FJ-1, but the most fun US fighter plane to play has got to be the F6U.  4 Cannons, no more Browning .50 cal pew-pew.  Agile, fairly fast, a bit prone to get blasted to smithereens, but a really fun plane.  

 

The F-86A isn't too bad, but with the .50 cals, a very finesse situation.  The .50 cals are fine up to T8, beyond, meh...

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Lots of responses. Cool, thanks guys!

 

So the Republic line goes downhill some time after the P-47B? That's a bummer, I remember that one being an absolute dream compared to the other US planes I'd played. The Mustang still hasn't clicked for me and the Corsair just felt so... Underwhelming.

 

If the Bf 109F is a challenging plane for most, then I think the Messerschmidt fighter line is probably my way to go then, on through the Gustav. I've always had good luck with the Bf 109s no matter what tier.

 

I'm not surprised to hear that the Japanese Navy line is a bit lackluster toward the end, it seems to be a trend in WG titles that the Japanese get equipment that's either stupidly powerful or decidedly mediocre. Or somehow both.

 

That's also great to hear that a Grumman line is coming, but that being said... I'm not holding my breath on that "soon" lacking a trademark given how long it's been.


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USAAC/USAF/USN: P-51A Mustang, P-47B Thunderbolt, F4U-1 Corsair, P-38F Lightning, B-17D  LW: Bf 109F, Fw 190D, Bf 110B, Ju 88P, Ju 88 A
VVS: I-17, I-16 (early), BSh-2  IJAAS/IJNAS: Ki-43-I Hayabusa, A6M5 Zero  RAF/RNFAA: Bristol Type 146, Hawker Hurricane I, Bristol Blenheim F
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Heya.  The problem with the japanese line from what I've seen, is that it's slow turn fighters, kind of like the real thing.  They get dealt with the same way Zeroes got dealt with...copious amounts of speed.  At higher tiers, pretty much every one has lots of speed.  The Japanese just don't, and while they can turn like a dream, that's about all they can do.  I'm through T7 in both the IJN and IJAAF lines, and other than the T5 ki-43, I really enjoyed the IJAAF lines.

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Germany: FW56; AR67; BF109B, E-3, G; Spitfire V DB605 | USSR: LaGG 3(4); P40 M-105 |  EU: B534; S199


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The Me P.1101 is truly something to have...The Friedrich and Gustav are the low point of the line because they got poorer firepower that does not go well with the speed/altitude advantage (I re-ground the Friedrich elsewhere myself and I can say that it's not exactly pleasurable). But once you're past the Gustav you're home free if you can spare some free EXP to outfit the Me 209 A after it with some synchronized cannons (the guns themselves come stock to the Fw 190D; parts commonality is something that has been foreign to Ships long after Beta. Most lines has such parts so read the module descriptions and plan ahead).

 

The Japanese Navy line? The J7Ws aren't truly bad (well, the J7W1 IS bad but the rest are workable), only overshadowed by many of its contemporaries and obsoleted by high tier bombers. The combination of extremely high firepower, acceptable maneuverability, and low speed got its niche.

 

The Focke-Wulf line, both its own branch and Blohm und Voss branch lead to underwhelming tier 10s but has some fine planes along the way, with the BV P.210 and 212 the embodiment of the most advanced technology of the game's time period (jet propulsion, revolver cannons, and air-to-air rockets) crammed into one package...in other words, tier 10 firepower starting from tier 8. Meanwhile, some pilots would swear by the Ta 152, which requires a specific playstyle and skills that is not common in the German line. Note that the multirole label for the Blohm und Voss planes are more like permission for them to mount air to air ordnance on a light fighter chassis rather than saying they have roles on both ground and air, which they certainly cannot do before tier 10, and even then a poor job....but the multirole thing is something for other time.

 

The Republic line went down the drains after 2.0 with them getting long ordnance reload time and little firepower because US = Machine Guns...and cannons reign supreme post-2.0. The Mustangs has the same problem but their high speed and superior energy characteristics will at least let them keep up with faster opposition and eventually pelt them to death.

 

The Vought line has the Corsairs being a solid performer thanks to having cannons - something more or less alien to the USAAF...and the hallmark of the line would be the outlier named Starfire the wielder of Vulcan cannon...or you can go Pirate and jump straight to Banshee from there. With cannons you really can't go wrong in WoWP 2.0...



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Also, for your Corsairs, try flying them clean.  They pick up a good bit of speed from having the bombs/rockets removed.  I fouind with them managing my boost was key.  If I was low and out of boost I was dead meat.  Corsair's a bit of a vulture, but those cannons can put in some serious work on a distracted Spitfire or Zero.  Hose and blow past em.

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View PostLandsraad, on 22 November 2019 - 04:54 AM, said:

Hey guys, long time no see! Yeah I'm not technically "new", I've played off and on going back to the beta and have six tier 6s, but it's been a really long while so I figured why not start here? Honestly I reinstalled Warplanes on kind of a whim. It's always a fun game, but hasn't really been able to hold my attention for one reason or another, I'm never really sure why. That said I did have a BLAST tonight helping a clanmate get his first tier 6, first by flying Bf 109 Es together and then by finishing up my own grind through the Stuka while he gave air support.

 
Firstly, welcome back! Secondly, if you have not sold the 109 E, keep it. Its one of the best Tier 5 Light fighters in the game hands down in skilled hands.

 

View PostLandsraad, on 22 November 2019 - 04:54 AM, said:

But I DO have a purpose in coming back. I've got ten tier 10s over in Warships and 4 in Tanks, but not a single one over here. I intend to rectify that. My goal in coming back is to at least make significant progress towards getting my first tier 10 aircraft, if not get one outright. Unfortunately I've got a dilemma. I really like the German lines, they're always the first ones I gravitate towards and both the German medium tanks and German cruisers were the first top-of-the-line vehicles I got in their respective games (the E 50 was my first "top tier" tank, before the E 50M came out). So far I've really enjoyed multirole fighters the most, and I LOVE the Fw 190, so no-brainer right? Just go for the "medium" line again and shoot for either the Fw 252 or BV P.215.02. Well... There's no way around it, while the Fw 252 looks like a nice plane I'm not sold on going for a pure fighter first, and I just am NOT a fan of how the Blom und Voss multirole fighters look. At all.


I was in a polar opposite boat (no pun intended), I have 5 T10's in tanks, 4 T10's in planes + 2 researched, and had zero T10's in ships (last month I got the Yamato though on a mad dash through both the Amagi and Izumo. Yamato has been a great T10 to snag as my first), but I know the feeling.

I could go on with the connections you and I have in tanks (The E 50M line was one of the first I truly made an effort to run down) and ships (I am grinding up the German Cruiser line as we speak, loved the Yorck and loving the Hipper), but that can be discussed at length later.

The Fw-190 line is... well its a doozie. General concensus is that it is the CENSOREDiest line to play consistently well in without any hard lessons. There are a few resident experts on the 190's here in the NA server (Spiritfox_MY is an excellent 190 Pilot, if you ever get the chance I'm sure he'd love to fly with you). You stated you are at the Fw 190 A-5, which is much better than the A-1. While the forums here might be a bit skewed in saying how many battles you might actually have, I would recommend holding off on going up to the Fw 190 Dora until you have gotten the rust off your wings.

The BvPs (known to us regular veterans of the game as "Batwings") are actually pretty good, albeit squishy (they have virtually no armor). The Tier 8 is good, the Tier 9 is supposedly Really good, but the T10 is utterly gimmicky and not recommended. You also pointed out the Fw 252, which actually is inferior to most other T10 Light fighters out there, IIRC its considered the 2nd worst - if not the worst - in terms of performance for a T10 gameplay wise (right there with the Swift). You would be better off gunning for the P.1101 (as several here have stated) than the Fw 252 if a Light fighter is what you are after.

Speaking of tier 10s, you came back at the right time, because recently they actually cut the XP costs of all T9s and T10s in warplanes by a rather sizeable amount. Something never done before in any of the world of titles IIRC post-release. So you will be able to get to a Tier 10 in planes sooner than you may have initially thought if you play consistently enough.
 

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I'd much rather go for the Me 262 and its variants but they're heavy fighters, I'm decidedly less good at heavy fighter play, I find. On the other hand I also have the P-51A Mustang, F4U-1 Corsair, P-47B Thunderbolt, and A6M5 Zero in my top tier planes that I could choose from if I were to break tradition.

 

In short, I need advice on a good first line to try going for tier 10 with. As of right now I'm mostly set on the Fw 190A5 as my main plane for grinding, but that could easily change and I have very fond memories of the A6M5 Zero and Bf 109F as well. I'm open to any and all advice here.

 

Besides that though, can I just say that it's absolutely criminal that the F6F Hellcat STILL isn't represented in some way? It'd be pretty cool to get the F8F Bearcat and F5F Skyrocket too, but the Hellcat was THE workhorse of the Navy! Just because it's (debatably) not as photogenic as the Corsair shouldn't count it out!


The Bf-109 Z is a strange plane to figure out, its not difficult to fly in the right hands but it can be a bit of a challenge (I am one of the oddballs that has a specialized Z, and it can be glorious in my opinion). The Me 262 at T8 is just a mess; High speed + Slow shells + slow turn rate = Horrible engagement arcs, you are pretty much limited to engaging only other HFs, Bombers, and GA's, maybe the occasional Multi-role. The HG II on the other hand can be ungodly amazing with the top guns and just the right equipment configuration (Again I have a Specialized HG II with a sweaty piece of equipment on it, Its my most flown aircraft by far).

My advice to you on what tier 10 you want is to determine what class of aircraft you enjoy the most, and then take into account your preferences in terms of speed, maneuverability, firepower, etc.

Unlike in tanks, there are curveballs in each line in planes. I am sure you are aware of how cruddy the I-210 is. If not, the MiG line is a roller-coaster, Bad with the I-210, good with the I-220, floppy with the I-250 then fantastic with the MiG-9 onward. The Mustangs will leave a good chunk to be desired in terms of downing planes in relatively efficient time as well. Grabbing a T10 Bomber is also possible now, as the Russians and Germans now each have one (I have the EF 131, extremely capable bomber with a very powerful tail turret) so there is also that to consider. Do some research on the Tier 10s in the game and see which plane at T10 resonates the best with you.

There are some very nice planes at other tiers too that I would urge you to keep once you get them. You have the F4U-1, which I re-acquired as a keeper plane, on that same line is the extremely fun F-94D (once you get the Vulcan). The Me 410 is another plane a good pilot should keep in their hangar, among various others.

If you are struggling with heavy fighters, I would recommend giving the Ki-45 and Ki-102 a try, as they have the most maneuverability of any HF in the game, and are a fairly good bridge between light fighter play and heavy fighter play. I keep saying that each plane teaches you something, and the Ki-45 and Ki-102 are great ways for a Light fighter / Multirole pilot to expand into Heavy fighter play.

 

Good hunting Landsraad.


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Welcome back!

 

German MRFs are, well, a challenge.  The three FW-190 planes require discipline and concentration to fly well.  If you just out for a fly around and shoot at stuff, the Butcher Birds are not the best choice.  The Batplanes are silly-fun, but the T10 plane is a bit of a dud.  I love the T9 Batplane.  I think both the A-5 and the Dora are unfairly slagged, but I will admit that they can be handfuls to fly well.

 

The Bf-109 line is truly great.  People gripe about the F, but it really is an excellent T6 LF, when flown properly.  I loved the Gustav and the hub sniper cannon.  The best plane of the line is the Me P.1092.  Maybe one of the best planes in the whole game.  The P.1101 at T10 is worth the trip.

 

The German Heavy Fighter line was where I first got to T10.  The whole line is pretty great, IMO.  People gripe about the Bf-109Z, and I was one of them.  I went back and bought it again, and it has been a joy to fly.  One of my favorite aircraft in the whole game is the T8 Me-262.  People are correct in their criticisms.   But that plane and I seem to get along, so I fly it a lot.

 

A no-brainer line good for almost the whole grind is the American HF line.  The P-38 is arguably the best HF in the game. But, at T7, disaster strikes.  The F7F is not nearly as good as its T7 counterparts. I never did make peace with that plane.  But at T8, the Pancake is a great plane.  At T9, the F2H is better than any other T9, IMO.  I have been flying it slick recently, and the extra speed makes life a lot easier.  Don't get me wrong, the Me-262HGII is fantastic, but the Banshee is just better. And that leads to the XF-90.  Like a rocket with a turn radius of a supertanker.  This plane uses the whole sky.

 

Get to T10 in the Bf-109 line.  You won't regret it.



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if you are looking for a fast and painless consistently simple tier ten grind.   here you go. 
No real surprises here ...

But y tho?
If there is one consistent thing in every forum for WeeGee game; It is the "things i wish i knew as a noob" thread.  

The same thing shows up within every poster's top 5 things.  "I really wish i had not fail grinded my way to teir 10"
And here you are a player getting set to do exactly that thing that everyone who plays a WeeGee game comes to regret.

Seriously there is no clanwars [edited]here that you must have top tier planes to qualify for.

As a destination; Tier 10 is not really spectacular.  Especially in Warplanes.
In the end; it is a place to flex on other players with all the lessons you learned in the journey along the way.
The longer your journey the more tricks you have at your disposal and the better prepared you will be.

 
Conan. What is Best in Warplanes? ...

Edited by wylleEcoyote, 22 November 2019 - 11:36 PM.

Fair warning. My success rate at speculative guesswork is much like my WinRate. Hit or Miss.
Usually I start on the right track and then a make a weird left turn and get lost in the weeds ... 
And yet it doesn't stop me from speculation.

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Multi-Roles: Type 91, F11C-2, F4F, P-47B, Fw 190 A-1 / A-5 / D, I- 5 / 15 / 16(e)(l)

Heavy Fighters: P-38 F/J,  XP-58, Beaufighter,  Bf 110 C-6, Me 410, Do 335 A-1, Me 262, Tu-1, SE 100,

Attack Aircraft: Hs 123, Ha 137, Hs 129 A, Ju 87 G, Me 265, Me 1099 B-2
Bombers: Do 17 Z, He 111 H2, Pe-2, Do 217 M
 


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View PostLandsraad, on 21 November 2019 - 08:54 PM, said:

Hey guys, long time no see! Yeah I'm not technically "new", I've played off and on going back to the beta and have six tier 6s, but it's been a really long while so I figured why not start here? Honestly I reinstalled Warplanes on kind of a whim. It's always a fun game, but hasn't really been able to hold my attention for one reason or another, I'm never really sure why. That said I did have a BLAST tonight helping a clanmate get his first tier 6, first by flying Bf 109 Es together and then by finishing up my own grind through the Stuka while he gave air support.

 

But I DO have a purpose in coming back. I've got ten tier 10s over in Warships and 4 in Tanks, but not a single one over here. I intend to rectify that. My goal in coming back is to at least make significant progress towards getting my first tier 10 aircraft, if not get one outright. Unfortunately I've got a dilemma. I really like the German lines, they're always the first ones I gravitate towards and both the German medium tanks and German cruisers were the first top-of-the-line vehicles I got in their respective games (the E 50 was my first "top tier" tank, before the E 50M came out). So far I've really enjoyed multirole fighters the most, and I LOVE the Fw 190, so no-brainer right? Just go for the "medium" line again and shoot for either the Fw 252 or BV P.215.02. Well... There's no way around it, while the Fw 252 looks like a nice plane I'm not sold on going for a pure fighter first, and I just am NOT a fan of how the Blom und Voss multirole fighters look. At all. I'd much rather go for the Me 262 and its variants but they're heavy fighters, I'm decidedly less good at heavy fighter play, I find. On the other hand I also have the P-51A Mustang, F4U-1 Corsair, P-47B Thunderbolt, and A6M5 Zero in my top tier planes that I could choose from if I were to break tradition.

 

In short, I need advice on a good first line to try going for tier 10 with. As of right now I'm mostly set on the Fw 190A5 as my main plane for grinding, but that could easily change and I have very fond memories of the A6M5 Zero and Bf 109F as well. I'm open to any and all advice here.

 

Besides that though, can I just say that it's absolutely criminal that the F6F Hellcat STILL isn't represented in some way? It'd be pretty cool to get the F8F Bearcat and F5F Skyrocket too, but the Hellcat was THE workhorse of the Navy! Just because it's (debatably) not as photogenic as the Corsair shouldn't count it out!

 

Well, the first thing is WELCOME BACK!!!  YAY!!!

 

I'm afraid I can't be of much help here because WG has consistently discriminated in regards to BIPLANES so there aren't any above around Tier IV (they should make some up if there aren't any, though I did find this cool jet powered biplane crop duster that would have been AWESOME!!).  Now if there were a T10 biplane, I would definitely suggest whichever line that one happened to be in!!!  

 

But as it is, I'm kind of in the same boat (no pun intended WOWS man) with no planes currently above tier VI at the moment and without me having a real preference for any particular national line.  I also find it admirable that you love the FW 190 coz, next to the XP-44, the FW causes me to say more unladylike things and with more venom than any other aircraft in my hanger.  So congratulations brave warrior, I salute you!!!  :honoring:

 

And now ... beware coz ... 

BIPLANE FIGHTERS ATTACK!!!  :kamikaze:


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Yes, it's haughty and its arrogant but you're a battleship with 16 inch guns and Britannia Rules the Waves.  Maybe a bit of arrogance in this case is appropriate.  


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View Postpyantoryng, on 22 November 2019 - 09:36 AM, said:

The Me P.1101 is truly something to have...The Friedrich and Gustav are the low point of the line because they got poorer firepower that does not go well with the speed/altitude advantage (I re-ground the Friedrich elsewhere myself and I can say that it's not exactly pleasurable). But once you're past the Gustav you're home free if you can spare some free EXP to outfit the Me 209 A after it with some synchronized cannons (the guns themselves come stock to the Fw 190D; parts commonality is something that has been foreign to Ships long after Beta. Most lines has such parts so read the module descriptions and plan ahead).

 

The Focke-Wulf line, both its own branch and Blohm und Voss branch lead to underwhelming tier 10s but has some fine planes along the way, with the BV P.210 and 212 the embodiment of the most advanced technology of the game's time period (jet propulsion, revolver cannons, and air-to-air rockets) crammed into one package...in other words, tier 10 firepower starting from tier 8. Meanwhile, some pilots would swear by the Ta 152, which requires a specific playstyle and skills that is not common in the German line. Note that the multirole label for the Blohm und Voss planes are more like permission for them to mount air to air ordnance on a light fighter chassis rather than saying they have roles on both ground and air, which they certainly cannot do before tier 10, and even then a poor job....but the multirole thing is something for other time.

 

The Republic line went down the drains after 2.0 with them getting long ordnance reload time and little firepower because US = Machine Guns...and cannons reign supreme post-2.0. The Mustangs has the same problem but their high speed and superior energy characteristics will at least let them keep up with faster opposition and eventually pelt them to death.

 

Since I bit off what was probably more than I could chew and burned myself out on a mountain of proposals for carriers over in Warships, I know exactly what you're talking about with the Blom und Voss planes and those R4Ms. The thought of using them to bust open bomber flights is honestly the most intriguing thing about those little jets to me. That said, for now I think I've settled on alternating the Focke Wulf and Messerschmidt lines at least through tier 6, once I purchase and upgrade the Dora and Gustav I'll have a better picture of where I want to focus my efforts. I'll admit though, as much as I enjoy these speedy Boom 'n Zoom planes I find I have to actively remind myself to not turn fight with them, at least not versus the majority of their competition.

 

The P-51H is also a definite must have for me in the future for sentimental reasons. As I'm sure is the case for more than a few players it's the plane flown a family member, my great uncle in this case.

 

View PostNovaTempest, on 22 November 2019 - 11:49 AM, said:

 Firstly, welcome back! Secondly, if you have not sold the 109 E, keep it. Its one of the best Tier 5 Light fighters in the game hands down in skilled hands.


I was in a polar opposite boat (no pun intended), I have 5 T10's in tanks, 4 T10's in planes + 2 researched, and had zero T10's in ships (last month I got the Yamato though on a mad dash through both the Amagi and Izumo. Yamato has been a great T10 to snag as my first), but I know the feeling.

I could go on with the connections you and I have in tanks (The E 50M line was one of the first I truly made an effort to run down) and ships (I am grinding up the German Cruiser line as we speak, loved the Yorck and loving the Hipper), but that can be discussed at length later.

If you are struggling with heavy fighters, I would recommend giving the Ki-45 and Ki-102 a try, as they have the most maneuverability of any HF in the game, and are a fairly good bridge between light fighter play and heavy fighter play. I keep saying that each plane teaches you something, and the Ki-45 and Ki-102 are great ways for a Light fighter / Multirole pilot to expand into Heavy fighter play.

 

Oh yeah, my Emil is definitely staying that is for sure. Not only because I got a couple of clanmates on and one doesn't have a tier 6 yet, but when I got back on that was one of the first planes I hopped into and it was like I never left. An absolute dream of a fighter that one.

 

If you like Hipper you'll love battlecruiser Roon and battleship Hindenburg. People say that they're powercrept, but those people also keep going on and on about HE and fire damage as if it was the end-all be-all of the game. These aren't ships for the HE spammer, they're for the ammo-switching AP connoisseur.

 

I'll have to give the Japanese heavies a whirl then. I know their Army line has been treating me alright, and how can anyone not love the Zero? That plane is a masterpiece. So they may well be the best place to start.

 

View PostwylleEcoyote, on 22 November 2019 - 04:58 PM, said:

if you are looking for a fast and painless consistently simple tier ten grind.   here you go. 
No real surprises here ...

 

As a destination; Tier 10 is not really spectacular.  Especially in Warplanes.
In the end; it is a place to flex on other players with all the lessons you learned in the journey along the way.
The longer your journey the more tricks you have at your disposal and the better prepared you will be.

 

Well I don't know about "closeted" Wehraboo, if there is a closet it has a glass door for me.:teethhappy:  Yeah I do tend to gravitate toward the German lines, at least when I start out in these games, but then as I get further up the tiers and start really getting a feel for things I generally get at least a line or two from another nation that I find fits better while keeping Germany as the "base". For Tanks it was the British mediums (Centurion just plain rocks), for Warships it's pretty much all of the French lines considering that I've got Henri, Republique, and just over half the XP I need for Mogador.

 

Yeah the Horton's cannons were a bit of a surprise at first, but I think I've got a good handle on them now. Once again in the other two games my first tier 8 money-making premium was German (Lowe and Tirpitz), so between that and the fact that the Ho 229 is just a gorgeous plane I saw no reason to break tradition when selecting a premium to feed my inevitable high-tiers.

 

And yeah, I totally get that a personal goal is the only reason to shoot for tier 10 over here too. Heck even if clan wars or clan battles were a thing my clan only has three people active on Warplanes including myself. That being said, this felt like a good time to come back and a good way to mix things up so I don't get burnt out over in botes.

 

Thanks again for all the input everyone! I'll see you all out in the wild blue.


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View PostLandsraad, on 23 November 2019 - 01:50 AM, said:

 

Since I bit off what was probably more than I could chew and burned myself out on a mountain of proposals for carriers over in Warships, I know exactly what you're talking about with the Blom und Voss planes and those R4Ms. The thought of using them to bust open bomber flights is honestly the most intriguing thing about those little jets to me. That said, for now I think I've settled on alternating the Focke Wulf and Messerschmidt lines at least through tier 6, once I purchase and upgrade the Dora and Gustav I'll have a better picture of where I want to focus my efforts. I'll admit though, as much as I enjoy these speedy Boom 'n Zoom planes I find I have to actively remind myself to not turn fight with them, at least not versus the majority of their competition.

 

Word of advice from someone who only really flew the BV planes before branching off - do not try to use the R4M versus bombers. They have a massive debuff against bombers and attack aircraft. They will bring down almost any fighter/multi-role with a single flight of rockets (press 'R' one time) though!

 

 

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View PostGeorgePatton, on 23 November 2019 - 02:43 PM, said:

 

 

 

Word of advice from someone who only really flew the BV planes before branching off - do not try to use the R4M versus bombers. They have a massive debuff against bombers and attack aircraft. They will bring down almost any fighter/multi-role with a single flight of rockets (press 'R' one time) though!

 

 

 


That's an excellent point, Glenn.  Run the cannon to overheat, finish off with rockets. (For GAA and BMBRS)



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View PostCorvusCorvax, on 23 November 2019 - 05:56 PM, said:


That's an excellent point, Glenn.  Run the cannon to overheat, finish off with rockets. (For GAA and BMBRS)


You can also do it in the HG II or even the F-94D, but unlike in the BvPs you don't have to fire to overheat, or at least that much... :D






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