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CorvusCorvax #1 Posted 09 November 2019 - 11:17 PM

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German heavies are an acquired taste, my friends.  They start early (Ao-192 and FW-57) and have a lot of different flavors.  No other heavy fighter line is so prolific.  You can own THREE different T8 German HFs.  IMO, the best one of the tech tree group is the T9 Me-262 HGII.  Very fast, excellent, hard-hitting guns, and merely okay competition from the British and American trees.

 

[One could make an argument for the FW-57, but at T3 you're not really challenged much.]

 

Flying a German heavy is about using speed and altitude to gain an advantage, then using those big guns well enough to press that advantage you worked for.  This is especially true for the Me-410 at T6.  The P-38J is probably the better plane, but your guns set you apart here, and if you don't use them right, the P-38 will straight up own you.  The Ki-102 is no slouch, either.  For the HGII, high speed and lots of boost mean that you put both the BOOM and the ZOOM into BnZ.  Don't turn, for all that's holy, don't turn.  Just hit the go-juice and go, dang it.  Get your victim in the sights, press the tit, hit it and get out of Dodge.  Use the vertical as often as you can.  You create separation with speed, and you kill their turning with altitude. 

 

So, you want Hero of the Sky badges?  Easy - kill bombers and GAA.  Do enough, and you'll get Winged Legend and Marsailles, too.  And you have the ability to actually get down in the dirt, take out a GAA, then zoom to the heavens to rip out the guts of a bomber. It's easy and fun.

 

Don't monkey around at mid-altitude trying to shoot down fighters or MRF - unless they are low on health and you can do a drive-by on them.  Stay high and work the bomber circuit.  Shooting down bomber flights is a breeze - one pass per bomber, easy.  On that vertical turn, chase off the red MRF "escorting" the flight.

 

Finally, don't try and be the hero and carry your team.  Sometimes, it works out that way, but in general, stick to what you know, shoot down stuff high in the sky, and use your speed to take you out of harm's way.  Oh, and if you see a downtiered Do-335 on the red team, don't forget that his 30mm MK-103 can reach out over a kilometer and make your life really hard.  The Do-335 is a plane you take from behind.

 

The planes can all be challenging, but when flown right, can be pure joy.  Knocking down a Ju-288C from outside it's own defensive gun range?  Joy.  Zapping a Ju-287 from underneath in one pass?  Joy.  Raining down a metric ton of bombs to flip a mining plant?  Absolutely the most joy.  Crushing an IL-40 into a large puff of smoke?  Well, you know...

 

To recap:  Don't turn, except in the vertical.  Use your boost to extend from stuff that is shooting at you.  Use altitude to build speed for the attack pass you want to make.  Use those guns to make that other guy very dead.  Don't turn.  Don't get low and out of boost.  Don't turn.

 

One last thing:  Don't turn.



crzyhawk #2 Posted 09 November 2019 - 11:44 PM

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As certified Spitfire trash, this is lies and propaganda.  Do not use such tactics!  if you ain't turnin' you ain't learnin' not to turn fight with heavy fighters

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Ace_BOTlistic_Cosmo #3 Posted 09 November 2019 - 11:50 PM

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Did JFK Really Tell Germans "I Am a Jelly Doughnut"?

Reports that President Kennedy made a gaffe during his "Ich bin ein Berliner" speech in 1963 are incorrect.
it means I am a... How are you going to say "paczki" when you go to order them this Fat Tuesday? Pots-key, paz-eck-e, pus-kee?
it's a punch key
and despite what crispy creem says you can turn them things...
just flip and dip
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Edited by Ace_BOTlistic_Cosmo, 09 November 2019 - 11:52 PM.

if the pilot's good, see, I mean, if he's really..sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low [he spreads his arms like wings and laughs],

you oughtta see it sometime, it's a sight. A big plane like a '52. VRROOM! There's jet exhaust, fryin' chickens in the barnyard.


Zigfreid #4 Posted 10 November 2019 - 12:08 AM

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Joy Joy Joy what, easy on the Bombers Brother lol well shoot the bots bombers anyway.:playing:

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View PostCorvusCorvax, on 09 November 2019 - 05:17 PM, said:

 The Do-335 is a plane you take from behind.

 

 

Yeah, you know all about that dontcho?


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CorvusCorvax #6 Posted 10 November 2019 - 02:02 AM

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View PostFour_Leaf_Tayback, on 10 November 2019 - 12:33 AM, said:

 

Yeah, you know all about that dontcho?

Yes, it happens to me all the time.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wait, that sounds weird...



Captain_Underpants53 #7 Posted 10 November 2019 - 03:22 AM

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  Don't turn, except in the vertical. 

Me: hold my beer :child:


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trikke #9 Posted 10 November 2019 - 12:33 PM

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great topic, brother.     even now, I turn too often.    

 It should be in the name of the class...  German Non-Turning Heavy Fighters


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Silence6966 #10 Posted 10 November 2019 - 06:38 PM

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I use my 410 and I do turn quite often, the trick is not do it when fighting multiple fighters lol. its great for peeling guys off a teammates tail. I am enjoying the german and japanese heavies. havent flown the american yet and the british ones are terrible. which is nonsense because the mosquito should have been the best plane for its tier in the game aside from the bf109 which during its initial run was superior to every allied plane
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CorvusCorvax #11 Posted 10 November 2019 - 07:21 PM

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View PostSilence6966, on 10 November 2019 - 06:38 PM, said:

I use my 410 and I do turn quite often, the trick is not do it when fighting multiple fighters lol.

Indeed.

 

Use that "zoom" part.  Add to this the age-old maxim:  If you think you want to learn how to fly the T8/9/10 planes, learn to run those 30mm cannon at T7.  Don't skip past, or you'll get to do all your learning at T8, where life becomes hard in a hurry.



trikke #12 Posted 11 November 2019 - 03:00 AM

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View PostCorvusCorvax, on 10 November 2019 - 02:21 PM, said:

  Add to this the age-old maxim:  If you think you want to learn how to fly the T8/9/10 planes, learn to run those 30mm cannon at T7.  Don't skip past, or you'll get to do all your learning at T8, where life becomes hard in a hurry.


Oooooo.    Great point.     and the 410 at T6 has 30s, too


btw, I dug the 30mm T4 C-6 out of mothballs last night just before SNL started...   brand new, never flown, never had a pilot in it


Put in a decent pilot with MM 1+2, otherwise bone stock!!

did nothing.    5k included the free gimme 1k, in a win.     It's possible I helped the team win somehow, but doubtful       


Still, I had fun, so I'm going to keep flying it     


but why did my Tu-1 make things go pop from the very first battle, but I'm not seeing anything with the C-6


Maybe more turny planes at T4?     Maybe I need a ton more practice?


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The guns on the C-6 are a lot more finicky and the difference between the primary and secondary weapons is a lot greater than on the Tu-1 

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trikke #14 Posted 11 November 2019 - 03:33 AM

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makes sense.    I've watched you effortlessly punch stuff in your C-6, you make it look easy


I'll keep practicing...   I gave up on making the 109F somewhat useful and dropped that pilot into the C-6


I can fly the 110B effectively, so I'm vowing to run a minimum of 25 battles in the C before I give up I make a decision


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Yeah its really different trying to land the C-6 compared to the Tu-1.

I'm not sure if its a different muzzle velocity -> lead or less auto-aim but its definitely a thing.


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View Posttrikke, on 10 November 2019 - 09:33 PM, said:

makes sense.    I've watched you effortlessly punch stuff in your C-6, you make it look easy


I'll keep practicing...   I gave up on making the 109F somewhat useful and dropped that pilot into the C-6


I can fly the 110B effectively, so I'm vowing to run a minimum of 25 battles in the C before I give up I make a decision

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View Posttrikke, on 10 November 2019 - 07:33 PM, said:

makes sense.    I've watched you effortlessly punch stuff in your C-6, you make it look easy


I'll keep practicing...   I gave up on making the 109F somewhat useful and dropped that pilot into the C-6


I can fly the 110B effectively, so I'm vowing to run a minimum of 25 battles in the C before I give up I make a decision


Personally, I play my C-6 in on-the-job-training mode. In other words, I play it to learn it, and I’m always inconsistent in it, but do well in it when I temporarily “get” it. Then, I go off and play other planes and completely forget, and have to go back and relearn it on the fly mid-battle. Is it super effective? Not really. Is it a way of playing the plane? I guess. I think I’ll be a little better at it when I get the Ki-93 and play around with the upgraded sniper cannon on it. As it is, I just play short-ranged cannon planes far too much right now to be used to the kind of shell drop at those kinds of ranges(1,000+ meters).


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I enjoy flying the 109 series. The 109-B is just about my favorite. I picked up the Ki 27 and have been playing around with it. I really don't care for the guns on her. They do have great maneuverability, but they are paper thin.

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The problem with the C-6 is that there's a 110B. I tend to land a single hit on an enemy and then can't land a second, leaving him on ~10% of his hitpoints. That's disappointing when the 110B could more reliably take him out in a single pass. Then again, my favorite thing to do in heavies is one pass kill a light fighter that either didn't see me or was flying in his yellow zone. If I liked hunting bombers more, I'd probably like the C-6 more.

trikke #20 Posted 13 November 2019 - 02:50 AM

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Reito told me that I could compensate for the 30mm drop by aiming higher, at longer ranges


or maybe it was the Tu-1's 45mms      I should have taken notes.      I'm new at this sniper thing


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