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Bf-109 H Interesting things Novas Finds

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NovaTempest #1 Posted 31 October 2019 - 04:08 PM

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I ran into this while working on a little something else (more on it soon).

Apparently there were designs for a variant of our familiar Bf 109 designated the 'H'. (Heinrich...? Hans...?)

The wing design is quite interesting, as it was meant to be a high altitude fighter based on the F series.

Here is a technical drawing of the 109 H:



There is also a version out there with cannons in the wings:

It's fascinating to see how well known aircraft designs could have come out strikingly different.

Edited by NovaTempest, 31 October 2019 - 04:10 PM.


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Captain_Underpants53 #3 Posted 31 October 2019 - 06:45 PM

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sandtiger #4 Posted 01 November 2019 - 12:42 AM

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CorvusCorvax #5 Posted 01 November 2019 - 02:30 AM

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Hey, Wargaming - here's a T8 premium.  Super-fast, high-altitude, 4x20mm cannon, and one hub-mounted 30mm.  Doesn't turn well, but the speed and altitude make it a bomber killer and a HF nemesis.

NovaTempest #6 Posted 01 November 2019 - 04:31 PM

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Not to sound like a Theorist, but here's some further interesting information to note:

Quote from Wikipedia:

A record exists of one particular Bf 109H-1, Werknummer 110073, was recorded as having been converted to a photo-recon aircraft by a Luftwaffe long-range reconnaissance group, Fernaufklärungsgruppe 123, in May 1944, and flown on dates immediately following the Invasion of Normandy with one mission meant to scan the entire French coastline from Cherbourg to Ouistreham, from an altitude of some 15 km (49,200 ft), which proved to be just beyond the achievable ceiling of the selected aircraft.


This date was the exact same month on the exact same year that the Japanese made the first flight of the A7M Reppū, considering that there was some trade going on between Germany and Japan in the use of submarines to transport highly strategic materials, could the design of the Reppū have been something shared with the Germans, and then gleaned on in the form of the Bf-109 H's wings?

It is hard to say considering I cannot seem to find any dates that pinpoint the exact date of the 109 H's inception, but the concept of the A7M was first laid out in specifications put out by the Japanese navy for the plane (At that stage it was called Navy Experimental 17-shi Ko (A) Type Carrier Fighter Reppu) in 1942. So there is certainly a window for the design to have seen German eyes.

It could also have been seen by German observers present in japan and the design gleaned on that way perhaps.

Interesting story, even if it is a slight longshot.



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No I don't think so.  While there was certainly some technical exchange, I highly doubt the Reppu was influenced by the 109H at all.  That style of wing had been around for quite some time.  The Dauntless for example first flew in 1940, and had a similar wing.  A7M has different problems to solve than 109H does too, 109H is looking for high altitude performance while A7M is looking for lower wingloading to maintain the same maneuverability of the Zero.  109H also, IIRC, was basically just a 109F that they added a center section to attach the original outer wings to.

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not exactly what I would call a 'eye-pleasing shape'

 

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