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vcharng #81 Posted 16 February 2020 - 12:53 AM

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View PostCaptain_Underpants53, on 15 February 2020 - 11:43 PM, said:


There is determined, then there is stubborn, and, finally, there is pig-headed.  Which are you?

I'd take determined and stubborn.

You know, I still insist what I insisted nearly 15 years ago in a game called NavyFIELD.

The WOWS community in Asia couldn't stand it, but I don't care.

You want to make CVs a useless POS, then I come after you.

 

As for the uptier thing, the official term was "being MMed UPWARDS". (seen in a thread about MM at a post where sb quoted an official article)

That's what makes me "talking" and the other party "talking back".

Not happy about it? Go to WG, not to me.



crzyhawk #82 Posted 16 February 2020 - 01:42 AM

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View PostCorvusCorvax, on 15 February 2020 - 02:32 PM, said:


You're the only one with their tail in a twist over it.  You should really get over it, because NOBODY CARES except you.  So just shut up about it already.

 

Seriously, the only person "talking back" is you.  Literally.


I just ignore most of that poster's posts. They're mostly irrelevant, whiny and not filled with any kind of information where I will at least learn something, so I just skip over them.


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vcharng #83 Posted 16 February 2020 - 01:52 AM

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View Postcrzyhawk, on 16 February 2020 - 01:42 AM, said:


I just ignore most of that poster's posts. They're mostly irrelevant, whiny and not filled with any kind of information where I will at least learn something, so I just skip over them.

Then what are you doing in my thread?

This thread was relevant all the way until someone refused to be corrected AND refused to agree to disagree.

When the guy said "don't revive the argument" I did what he said, I only explained what happened in a very small part of my replies, and filled the rest of them with Shinden-related stuff.

But I reckon some people can only see that tiny part and decided to ignore the rest.

 

Fine, I'll try again, albeit I think I posted something similar to this somewhere else already...

 

After grinding my way past the whole J7W1, perhaps it's a good chance to reply my own question:

Is Shinden really that bad?

Quick answer, no.

Longer answer, no, not for a MR. Most of the problems of the J7W1 should be attributed to the category MR and not the plane itself.

Aside from the very long target lead (due to slow muzzle velocity) the J7W1 has good impact on the game for a MR.

Sometimes I even feel that it affects the outcome more than my Tornado, which is usually considered a decent T6.

But just like many other MRs, it suffers from being a jack of all trades, master of none.

Supposedly an MR should outrun LFs and outmaneuver HFs, but in reality they are usually out-turned by LFs and outran by HFs.

Supposedly an MR should switch between ground pounding and aerial combat, but in reality they usually fail both. (in that regard Shinden is already in the better part of all MRs)

Given how jack of all trades became the synonym of OPness in WOT (namely MTs and HTs. QuickyBaby have recently officially claimed that they do indeed pack significantly more impact on the outcome than other classes), this development is truly surprising if you ask me.


Edited by vcharng, 16 February 2020 - 02:03 AM.


CorvusCorvax #84 Posted 16 February 2020 - 06:22 AM

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View Postcrzyhawk, on 16 February 2020 - 01:42 AM, said:


I just ignore most of that poster's posts. They're mostly irrelevant, whiny and not filled with any kind of information where I will at least learn something, so I just skip over them.

Yeah, I guess.  The focus on the term is idiotic, and the inability to let it go verges on the mentally I'll.

 

Even after being asked to not discuss it, he just can't stop.  Worse, he blames his mania on others.



Captain_Underpants53 #85 Posted 16 February 2020 - 06:36 AM

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I think we should all agree to let him be right, every time.  Maybe he will then quit obsessing.  Nah, he won't.

 

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View PostCaptain_Underpants53, on 16 February 2020 - 06:36 AM, said:

I think we should all agree to let him be right, every time.  Maybe he will then quit obsessing.  Nah, he won't.

 

:(

Yeah.

 

I guess he'll just have to be satisfied with being justified in his opinion.

 

Meanwhile, I think that all MRF suffer hard when downtiered, unlike many LFs and HFs.  One that comes to mind is the Dora.  Does really well at T7 and In mixed T7/T6 battles, but suffers against any T8 planes.  The FW-190A-5 is the same way.  About the only MRF that I have found that does okay downtiered is the T9 Batplane.  

 

But I'm willing to give the Shinden a go.



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I honestly quite rarely even notice if I'm top or bottom tier :child:

Doesn't really seem to affect my chance of winning much.


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vcharng #88 Posted 16 February 2020 - 10:22 AM

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View Posthoom, on 16 February 2020 - 07:53 AM, said:

I honestly quite rarely even notice if I'm top or bottom tier :child:

Doesn't really seem to affect my chance of winning much.

Depends on the aircraft, just like in WOT.

Some classes are more tier-dependent, some less.

 

It's just my 2c but I'd say Shinden belongs to the "less" category.



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shouldn't all of the canard planes be really turny?    The Ascender is turny, isn't the Shinden?

There's not many turny MRs in the game, are there others?

I have the Ascender, flown it a couple times, I see others do well in it, but it's not for me.     

I think that I'm going to pass on the Shinden line, unless they unlock a real gem higher up

Edited by trikke, 16 February 2020 - 01:57 PM.

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