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White_Widow18 #1 Posted 07 October 2019 - 03:47 AM

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He's in a weird build cause I'm using him across multiple planes to train him the rest of the way to 15 points, but this is the first time I paid real attention to the total # for getting through the high-point pilot stuff. I've a few 15 point pilots but this is my next highest with most falling between 9-11 points.... That said... Bahahaah.. I -literally- didn't realize how many MILLIONS of XP I had earned and spent on pilots. *blinks* Thought this might be of use to people to have an idea how how long the slog is and to demonstrate exactly why I stack XP booster and spend -all- my free XP on pilots only.


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hoom #3 Posted 07 October 2019 - 06:04 AM

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This is why I find it hard to understand how you can have 1 let alone multiple 15pt pilots.

 

I've spent nearly every Free XP point on pilots but still nothing near 15pt.

Partly I've been spreading it around quite a lot of pilots getting them up to 5-7pts rather than concentrated on only a few.


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GonerNL #4 Posted 07 October 2019 - 09:37 AM

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I also spread free exp around, it's too hard to get the pilot points beyond a certain skill level ... I've got >500K free exp, but not gonna spend it on just 1 (one) skill point.

 

1 — 0 XP points. Free once proficiency reaches 100%.
2 — 20 000 XP points.
3 — 34 000 XP points.
4 — 56 000 XP points.
5 — 95 000 XP points.
6 — 159 000 XP points.
7 — 268 000 XP points.
8 — 450 000 XP points.
9 — 755 000 XP points.
10 — 1 269 000 XP points.
11 — 2 132 000 XP points.
12 — 3 582 000 XP points.
13 — 6 120 000 XP points.
14 — 10 560 000 XP points.
15 — 14 320 000 XP points


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White_Widow18 #5 Posted 07 October 2019 - 10:04 AM

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View Posthoom, on 07 October 2019 - 12:04 AM, said:

This is why I find it hard to understand how you can have 1 let alone multiple 15pt pilots.

 

I've spent nearly every Free XP point on pilots but still nothing near 15pt.

Partly I've been spreading it around quite a lot of pilots getting them up to 5-7pts rather than concentrated on only a few.

Basically that's the thing. I only have a handful of pilots. 17 to be exact that I've dumped time or resources into. 

That I've ever spent time getting points for and several of those started as five point or ten point pilots. I've also spent every single bit of gold on converting free xp and on xp boosters.

 

But let's take the example of my Russian bomber crew. It went all the way up the gaa and bomber lines both. And has a hundred hours of flight time in my RB-17. Or this f-94 pilot that has ground through my American LF line and all but two of the mrf line planes. 

 

This leaves me with mostly underpowered crews everywhere but T10.. Well it did at least.. Over the last few months I've been given so many free five point pilots that many have at least seven total points. As 5-7 isn't much grinding in a premium t8 with exp paint, stacked boosters, and a high multiplier weekend.

 

When I started playing, my goal was every t10 in the game geared with a 12+ point air crew. That limited the number of pilots I had to lavish love on, so that's also helped a lot.

 

Then too, I'm disabled.. So I don't go out as much as others as I don't work. Going out and about every day costs significantly more money than quietly staying home and I despise spending much money to entertain myself. But premium time has been something ive kept up through small purchases and luck with crates (and I did buy one small batch of Santa bags and those gave like.. Six months of it). I figured it was cheaper than when I used to play world of warcraft, so why not.

 

Ive also taken full advantage of lower cost fee xp weekends and we've had a few weekends that fee xp has been worth more even than the normal X5 on pilots.

View PostGonerNL, on 07 October 2019 - 03:37 AM, said:

I also spread free exp around, it's too hard to get the pilot points beyond a certain skill level ... I've got >500K free exp, but not gonna spend it on just 1 (one) skill point.

 

1 — 0 XP points. Free once proficiency reaches 100%.
2 — 20 000 XP points.
3 — 34 000 XP points.
4 — 56 000 XP points.
5 — 95 000 XP points.
6 — 159 000 XP points.
7 — 268 000 XP points.
8 — 450 000 XP points.
9 — 755 000 XP points.
10 — 1 269 000 XP points.
11 — 2 132 000 XP points.
12 — 3 582 000 XP points.
13 — 6 120 000 XP points.
14 — 10 560 000 XP points.
15 — 14 320 000 XP points

Understandable. I've focused on air crews because I saw them as the best permanent value in the game for my time invested. That's probably because I'm a goal grinder. Always have been 

 


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View PostStygian_Alchemist, on 07 October 2019 - 11:04 AM, said:

I only have a handful of pilots. 17 to be exact that I've dumped time or resources into. 

 

And you share those between how many planes ??

You just transfer them and then accelerate training with credits (90%) or gold (100%) ?

 


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White_Widow18 #7 Posted 07 October 2019 - 10:22 AM

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View PostGonerNL, on 07 October 2019 - 04:13 AM, said:

 

And you share those between how many planes ??

You just transfer them and then accelerate training with credits (90%) or gold (100%) ?

 

Other than premiums.. I really only own t10s, but yes. Any time I move up a plane in a line, the pilot goes with it. I just do coin refrains as a x2 daily with an xp booster usually retrains that last 10% in one battle. This is also why I rarely have more than a million coins. Ive accumulated a lot of premium planes between op ords, crates, and being lucky enough a few friends have been amazingly generous and bought me a couple of planes. Which also means outside of my two t9s and my t10s... I don't have to care what the pilot is trained for.

 

And last count is around 64 total planes if I remember right.


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  I've also spent every single bit of gold on converting free xp and on xp boosters.

 Ah well that explains a lot (and suddenly I think you've said that before & I forgot it :hiding:)

 

I've got 79 planes currently in Hangar (30 Premiums), 45 pilots & only use the Free XP earned from playing, mostly non-Premium so there's a lot less to go around.


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I've got 175 planes on my EU account ... 71 premiums/specials.

 

The crew switching is a great idea I now realize ... I hardly do that at the moment.

For 2 planes - 1 tech tree and 1 premium - of the same type you really only need 1 crew that you can switch around even without re-training.


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View PostGonerNL, on 07 October 2019 - 09:37 AM, said:

I also spread free exp around, it's too hard to get the pilot points beyond a certain skill level ... I've got >500K free exp, but not gonna spend it on just 1 (one) skill point.

 

1 — 0 XP points. Free once proficiency reaches 100%.
2 — 20 000 XP points.
3 — 34 000 XP points.
4 — 56 000 XP points.
5 — 95 000 XP points.
6 — 159 000 XP points.
7 — 268 000 XP points.
8 — 450 000 XP points.
9 — 755 000 XP points.
10 — 1 269 000 XP points.
11 — 2 132 000 XP points.
12 — 3 582 000 XP points.
13 — 6 120 000 XP points.
14 — 10 560 000 XP points.
15 — 14 320 000 XP points


I seriously have no idea what they were thinking with every skill point after the 4th, because it just starts taking some ludicrous leaps. Lets do some quick math here...

Red = XP difference from last skill point
Blue = % increase from last skill point
Green = Avg number of winning battles pilot must see that net 2000 crew XP.
Gold = Total minimum flight time required to earn skill point based on green text, assuming 10 minute battles.

1 — 0 XP points. Free once proficiency reaches 100%.
2 — 20 000 XP points. (+20K difference from 1)         (20000% increase from 1)              10 wins          1 hour, 40 minutes
3 — 34 000 XP points. (+14K difference from 2)         (170% Increase from 2)              17 wins          2 hours, 50 minutes
4 — 56 000 XP points. (+22K difference from 3)         (~165% Increase from 3)              28 wins          4 hours, 40 minutes
5 — 95 000 XP points. (+39K difference from 4)         (~170% Increase from 4)              About 48 wins          8 hours
6 — 159 000 XP points. (+64K difference from 5)         (~167% Increase from 5)              About 80 wins          13 hours, 20 minutes
7 — 268 000 XP points. (+109K difference from 6)         (~169% Increase from 6)              134 wins          22 hours, 20 minutes
8 — 450 000 XP points. (+182K difference from 7)         (~168% Increase from 7)              225 wins          1 Day, 13 hours, 30 minutes
9 — 755 000 XP points. (+305K difference from 8)         (~168% Increase from 8)              About 378 wins            2 Days, 15 hours
10 — 1 269 000 XP points. (+514K difference from 9)         (168% Increase from 9)              About 635 wins          4 Days, 9 hours
11 — 2 132 000 XP points. (+863K difference from 10)         (168% Increase from 10)              1066 wins          7 Days, 9 hours, 40 minutes
12 — 3 582 000 XP points. (+1.45M difference from 11)         (168% Increase from 11)              1791 wins          12 Days, 10 hours, 30 minutes
13 — 6 120 000 XP points. (+2.538M difference from 12)         (~171% Increase from 12)              3060 wins          21 Days, 6 hours
14 — 10 560 000 XP points. (+4.44M difference from 13)         (~173% Increase from 13)              5280 wins          1 Month, 6 Days, 16 hours
15 — 14 320 000 XP points (+3.76M difference from 14)         (~136% Increase from 14)              7160 wins          1 Month, 19 Days, 17 hours, 20 minutes

 

 

TOTAL:     39,820,000 XP points         19,912 wins          4 Months, 18 Days, 5 hours, 50 minutes

 

vs Getting from tier 1 to tier 10 (I will use going from the I-5 to the Yak-30 as an Example, and this is including researching all engines on the line starting at the Yak-1)

 

655,710 XP points          about 328 wins         2 Days, 6 hours, 40 minutes

Now if we look at these two by percentages, to get a pilot to 15 skill points compared to getting from the I-5 to the Yak-30, we are talking a whopping...

6070% increase in overall requirement to get a pilot to 15 skill points compared to getting from tier 1 to tier 10.

 

In short:


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View PostGonerNL, on 06 October 2019 - 11:37 PM, said:

I also spread free exp around, it's too hard to get the pilot points beyond a certain skill level ... I've got >500K free exp, but not gonna spend it on just 1 (one) skill point.

 

1 — 0 XP points. Free once proficiency reaches 100%.
2 — 20 000 XP points.
3 — 34 000 XP points.
4 — 56 000 XP points.
5 — 95 000 XP points.
6 — 159 000 XP points.
7 — 268 000 XP points.
8 — 450 000 XP points.
9 — 755 000 XP points.
10 — 1 269 000 XP points.
11 — 2 132 000 XP points.
12 — 3 582 000 XP points.
13 — 6 120 000 XP points.
14 — 10 560 000 XP points.
15 — 14 320 000 XP points

 

This table makes me want to roll up a new Illusionist...  :hiding:

 

 


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View PostNovaTempest, on 07 October 2019 - 01:53 PM, said:


I seriously have no idea what they were thinking with every skill point after the 4th, because it just starts taking some ludicrous leaps. Lets do some quick math here...

Red = XP difference from last skill point
Blue = % increase from last skill point
Green = Avg number of winning battles pilot must see that net 2000 crew XP.
Gold = Total minimum flight time required to earn skill point based on green text, assuming 10 minute battles.

1 — 0 XP points. Free once proficiency reaches 100%.
2 — 20 000 XP points. (+20K difference from 1)         (20000% increase from 1)              10 wins          1 hour, 40 minutes
3 — 34 000 XP points. (+14K difference from 2)         (170% Increase from 2)              17 wins          2 hours, 50 minutes
4 — 56 000 XP points. (+22K difference from 3)         (~165% Increase from 3)              28 wins          4 hours, 40 minutes
5 — 95 000 XP points. (+39K difference from 4)         (~170% Increase from 4)              About 48 wins          8 hours
6 — 159 000 XP points. (+64K difference from 5)         (~167% Increase from 5)              About 80 wins          13 hours, 20 minutes
7 — 268 000 XP points. (+109K difference from 6)         (~169% Increase from 6)              134 wins          22 hours, 20 minutes
8 — 450 000 XP points. (+182K difference from 7)         (~168% Increase from 7)              225 wins          1 Day, 13 hours, 30 minutes
9 — 755 000 XP points. (+305K difference from 8)         (~168% Increase from 8)              About 378 wins            2 Days, 15 hours
10 — 1 269 000 XP points. (+514K difference from 9)         (168% Increase from 9)              About 635 wins          4 Days, 9 hours
11 — 2 132 000 XP points. (+863K difference from 10)         (168% Increase from 10)              1066 wins          7 Days, 9 hours, 40 minutes
12 — 3 582 000 XP points. (+1.45M difference from 11)         (168% Increase from 11)              1791 wins          12 Days, 10 hours, 30 minutes
13 — 6 120 000 XP points. (+2.538M difference from 12)         (~171% Increase from 12)              3060 wins          21 Days, 6 hours
14 — 10 560 000 XP points. (+4.44M difference from 13)         (~173% Increase from 13)              5280 wins          1 Month, 6 Days, 16 hours
15 — 14 320 000 XP points (+3.76M difference from 14)         (~136% Increase from 14)              7160 wins          1 Month, 19 Days, 17 hours, 20 minutes

 

 

TOTAL:     39,820,000 XP points         19,912 wins          4 Months, 18 Days, 5 hours, 50 minutes

 

vs Getting from tier 1 to tier 10 (I will use going from the I-5 to the Yak-30 as an Example, and this is including researching all engines on the line starting at the Yak-1)

 

655,710 XP points          about 328 wins         2 Days, 6 hours, 40 minutes

Now if we look at these two by percentages, to get a pilot to 15 skill points compared to getting from the I-5 to the Yak-30, we are talking a whopping...

6070% increase in overall requirement to get a pilot to 15 skill points compared to getting from tier 1 to tier 10.

 

In short:

I understand why it's -higher-.. but wow.. seeing that math in black and white.. JFC... I could -have- all the T10s and -then- some if I'd spent all that free XP on planes. *boggles*



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I did want to make clear though something... those high-point pilots? Give me -way- more benefit than any gear or plane tier ever could. That's why I exhort people to focus on them.. though I'd never realized the -exact- math to achieve what I've got... kinda glad I didn't.. otherwise I might not have ever gotten it.. I'm still reeling from those #s laid out in black and white :( 

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but why fly a 12 point pilot on the already  great xp-31?

that plane doesn't  even need a one point captain to be good, should be using it as a new pilot trainer for the first 3 skills,

i won't mention low tier bashing...;) cause i have the plane too.



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View Postallenr, on 07 October 2019 - 03:31 PM, said:

but why fly a 12 point pilot on the already  great xp-31?

that plane doesn't  even need a one point captain to be good, should be using it as a new pilot trainer for the first 3 skills,

i won't mention low tier bashing...;) cause i have the plane too.

x3 multiplier weekend + fast win in a premium == better/faster XP for said pilot than spamming the F-94D. If I were seal-clubbing as opposed to XP grinding... that pilot build would have looked significatly different and I'd have just used the XF-90's 15 pointer.. and I won't lie. I _have_ done that before when I go down to do dailies and run into nothing but fellow high-end pilots. I also generally try -not- to shoot player names at low tiers unless I recognize them or they're specialist.. or.. they come at -me-.. then well.. I gotta fire back. Cause I -do- honestly hate seal clubbing and I feel mildly gross that I'm playing my low-tier planes in the same match as -actual- lowbies.

I do fly each of my low tiers one match per day -just- for the XP grind.. and as to low point pilots/air crews...

I have a barracks full of 5+ point pilots because crates, events, etc. that I've never used. They just sit there, bored. Poor guys are never going to get a promotion LOL! Said barracks has 30 slots in it, so I have no need to make newer pilots, just need to grind the already mid-high point ones up even higher and do my dailies.



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Oh btw, this is were I found the table : https://blog.worldofwarplanes.eu/mechanics/new-crew-system-basics/

 


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View PostGonerNL, on 07 October 2019 - 09:37 AM, said:

I also spread free exp around, it's too hard to get the pilot points beyond a certain skill level ... I've got >500K free exp, but not gonna spend it on just 1 (one) skill point.

 

1 — 0 XP points. Free once proficiency reaches 100%.
2 — 20 000 XP points.
3 — 34 000 XP points.
4 — 56 000 XP points.
5 — 95 000 XP points.
6 — 159 000 XP points.
7 — 268 000 XP points.
8 — 450 000 XP points.
9 — 755 000 XP points.
10 — 1 269 000 XP points.
11 — 2 132 000 XP points.
12 — 3 582 000 XP points.
13 — 6 120 000 XP points.
14 — 10 560 000 XP points.
15 — 14 320 000 XP points


goner. Loved to see you do a review of the servers and the differences on flying in them.   Also wish WG would do a cross server weekend 


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I started on EU in September 2017 (so played 1.9 for a month). Later on (out of curiosity and because they changed WGC so you only need 1 game-client and not all 4) I joined other servers ; first NA, then Asia (beginning of this year) and then recently CIS.

 

I only play 1 or 2 battles each day on the 'foreign'  servers because of the weekly reward crates. Mostly on tiers I - VI, progress is slow because I don't want to neglect my main EU account.

There are all kinds of differences ... because of my timezone (CET) when I fly evenings on weekdays the NA and Asia are almost deserted. NA is late afternoon and Asia is sleeping already. Weekends are better playing during the day.

Connection is good for EU and CIS. NA is also OK, but on Asia I regularly have high ping & packet loss, sometimes unplayable.

CIS has a big player base. Mostly half or more of teams are humans on the tiers I fly there (I - V). Big difference with other servers is the huge amount of specialists on low tiers !!

Only problem on Asia and CIS is communication. CIS is Russian only and on Asia hardly anyone communicates except using F-keys to designate targets.

I get the impression that especially on Asia, most players play fighters. On other servers more plane-types are flown.

Match-making is pathetic on all servers, irrespective of number of players ...

 

 


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Pilot XP and getting to a 15 pt Pilot requirements are insane.  And WG knows it is.  It’s easy to get a 19 pt captain in WoWS compared to this.  

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