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[trikke]

if the little wings we have now weren't intimidating enough to new folks...  S2 is coming

maybe the little wings will change to red or gold?   

is this what we need now, with the population this low?

[Nachthexen_Tribute]

Where can I read about the S2?

 

Nach

 

[Dru83]

What?!? S2??? Um... it isn't April Fool's right? Where'd you hear that one?

[cobra_marksman]

If they strip all of the planes again, and require it's members to…. Grind or Buy tokens    to spec. once again...… they'll be putting a death nail in this game.

Edited by cobra_marksman, 24 September 2019 - 02:21 AM.

[Ace_BOTlistic_Cosmo]

trikke, on 23 September 2019 - 08:52 PM, said:

if the little wings we have now weren't intimidating enough to new folks...  S2 is coming

maybe the little wings will change to red or gold?   

is this what we need now, with the population this low?

I refuse to use S2...

also skipping S3

I'm waiting for S4

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it's suppose to have extra buggy bugs

[desert786]

do we have any hard information on specialist 2?

 

from my understanding the reason they cannot modify pre british MR planes in specialist configuration is that the work required to rework all the planes in the game is more than their staff can accomplish, in addition to creating new content.

 

I agree what others have stated, re-grinding specialist would not be enjoyable. unless the differences between S1 and S2 are enough to warrant a change. i.e. completely different modules 

Edited by desert786, 24 September 2019 - 02:43 AM.

[losttwo]

https://worldofwarplanes.com/news/development-plans-for-world-of-warplanes-in-2019/

Spoiler

 Specialists-2 Just like we announced earlier, the alternative configurations for several of the most celebrated aircraft of World War II will make their way into the game. Unlike the existing Specialist configurations, which are essentially top module sets with the maximum number of equipment slots, the Specialist-2 configurations will be quite different from the stock ones in modules. This is going to change the gameplay significantly for such aircraft. For example, a quick and maneuverable light aircraft can become a heavily armed fighter for securing air corridors or even a bomber interceptor.

[Commodore_Sailracer]

losttwo, on 24 September 2019 - 04:00 AM, said:

https://worldofwarplanes.com/news/development-plans-for-world-of-warplanes-in-2019/

Spoiler

 Specialists-2 Just like we announced earlier, the alternative configurations for several of the most celebrated aircraft of World War II will make their way into the game. Unlike the existing Specialist configurations, which are essentially top module sets with the maximum number of equipment slots, the Specialist-2 configurations will be quite different from the stock ones in modules. This is going to change the gameplay significantly for such aircraft. For example, a quick and maneuverable light aircraft can become a heavily armed fighter for securing air corridors or even a bomber interceptor.

It seems like that would be handy if you know what map you are playing beforehand and could select your configuration based on that.

[Captain_Underpants53]

ebp_si, on 24 September 2019 - 07:36 AM, said:

It seems like that would be handy if you know what map you are playing beforehand and could select your configuration based on that.

That would be handy now without S2

[Wombatmetal]

If specialist 2 means I can keep the 23mm instead of the 37mm on my p38j I'm for it.

YB 49 for t10 US

[GreatBallsO_Fire_Jr]

I'm hoping we don't have to grind for specialist 2. That would be horrible. Im still waiting for the pvp mode

[NovaTempest]

desert786, on 24 September 2019 - 02:43 AM, said:

do we have any hard information on specialist 2?

 

from my understanding the reason they cannot modify pre british MR planes in specialist configuration is that the work required to rework all the planes in the game is more than their staff can accomplish, in addition to creating new content.

 

I agree what others have stated, re-grinding specialist would not be enjoyable. unless the differences between S1 and S2 are enough to warrant a change. i.e. completely different modules 

If that is the case then The thunderbolts and Butcher birds are going to be hard pressed to get this treatment, which IMO are arguably the two biggest groups that need this. Bad.

 

It would not make much sense for the hunter as it could potentially just turn into a redundant Swift. And regarding the staff problem - again - Lack of funding from WG.
 

[wylleEcoyote]

cobra_marksman, on 23 September 2019 - 09:18 PM, said:

If they strip all of the planes again, and require it's members to…. Grind or Buy tokens    to spec. once again...… they'll be putting a death nail in this game.

If you say so.
But then i have been told by many sources that this game is [bad  words] and that it is withering on the vine. Almost universally. Since it was released, Many years ago.
Yet the game; and it's naysayers, are still here.
 

Spoiler w/salt

Or one could choose to not use any tokens at all. Just do the missions that ask you to kill a lot of planes, acquire a lot of capture points, damage aaa guns, score alot of personal points, kill ground targets etc. No more or less grindy than doing your daily missions 15 tokens at a time. And it leaves you with more tokens laying around for things you cant avoid, like reassembly and de-mounting of the specialist equipment you will want to use. Or (re-)activation of Operations Orders, special blueprints etc. 

Many players even acquire a handle on how to #GetGud at the variant in the process. And that is something you cant buy with tokens.
Good enough even to have the spare silver needed to pay for the specialist variant when the missions are done. Even on a standard free account.

If you dont have the time or patience to Persevere long enough to acquire some Mastery, but you want that spec anyway then by all means buy all the tokens you want to.
Free hand of the market and all that

Its far more likely that we will A) get to keep the current specialization builds and B) shown more stock module options to unlock with experience earned in game play in the usual way. (because why break what works?) and as a result gain a completely separate specialization to grind out and later purchase. thus allowing the player to switch between the two at the drop of a hat. (or even in the middle of a battle because your team capped that big airfield with the repair center.)  
 

For example:

Perhaps you are the sort that has a specialist Bf 109 F. One day soon you might discover that there may be new options for carrying 20mm gun pods or even some of the bombs that Fw 190's usually carry on their air frame! Very much like an S-199 but with a larger altitude band ...
(and if you already unlocked them flying said Fw190's then you are one step ahead!)
So you uncheck the accelerated pilot training and go about your business. then you can burn that xp to unlock the gun pods. Maybe a cute little bomb or two

Obviously; they are not meant for the current specialization of Friedrich. So you will have to switch back to the stock version of the plane (or buy back the modules for it if you sold them off)
At which point you can buy and mount the new modules and test out the new parameters of your Bf 109. 
In that external gun-pod/bomb scenario you may find that your airspeed is reduced a bit because external cannons create drag.
And the extra Ammo or bomb is Heavy enough to effect your Power to weight ratio. This could combine to nerf your climb rate and result in your max altitude being reduced a few hundred meters.
You may even loose some average turn time. (enough to loose to a CAP specialist Bf 109 at least).

And that would take some getting used to. 
But then so would having more firepower in a Tier 6 Friedrich than a stock Tier 8 Me 209 A. And maybe having a cute little bomb, too!
  The Friedrich has always been about boom and zoom. Now with Spec.2 you may have the option to get a bit more Boom at the expense of the zoom.
While the Spec.1 can remain being about the Zoom at the cost of some boom..

Complete the two missions (that are most likely Very Related to the new set up) needed to unlock that second specialist variant.  And find out what the new specialist equipment slots will be. Probably a gun slot. Maybe an ordinance slot. Maybe the Interceptor Specialist will be just like the original CAP Specialist and you get another engine slot.
Who knows? Not me. because...

This is; of course, all blind speculation. Disclaimer in the Sig.



 

Edited by wylleEcoyote, 24 September 2019 - 08:14 PM.

[NovaTempest]

wylleEcoyote, on 24 September 2019 - 05:25 PM, said:

Its far more likely that we will A) get to keep the current specialization builds and B) shown more stock module options to unlock with experience earned in game play in the usual way. (because why break what works?) and as a result gain a completely separate specialization to grind out and later purchase. thus allowing the player to switch between the two at the drop of a hat. (or even in the middle of a battle because your team capped that big airfield with the repair center.)  
 

For example:

Perhaps you are the sort that has a specialist Bf 109 F. One day soon you might discover that there may be new options for carrying 20mm gun pods or even some of the bombs that Fw 190's usually carry on their air frame!
(and if you already unlocked them flying said Fw190's then you are one step ahead!)
So you uncheck the accelerated pilot training and go about your business. then you can burn that xp to unlock the gun pods. Maybe a cute little bomb or two

Obviously; they are not meant for the current specialization of Friedrich. So you will have to switch back to the stock version of the plane (or buy back the modules for it if you sold them off)
At which point you can buy and mount the new modules and test out the new parameters of your Bf 109. 
In that external gun-pod/bomb scenario you may find that your airspeed is reduced a bit because external cannons create drag.
And the extra Ammo or bomb is Heavy enough to effect your Power to weight ratio. This could combine to nerf your climb rate and result in your max altitude being reduced a few hundred meters.
You may even loose some average turn time. (enough to loose to a CAP specialist Bf 109 at least).

And that would take some getting used to. 
But then so would having more firepower in a Tier 6 Friedrich than a stock Tier 8 Me 209 A. And maybe having a cute little bomb, too!
  The Friedrich has always been about boom and zoom. Now with Spec.2 you may have the option to get a bit more Boom at the expense of the zoom.
While the Spec.1 can remain being about the Zoom at the cost of some boom..

Complete the two missions (that are most likely Very Related to the new set up) needed to unlock that second specialist variant.  And find out what the new specialist equipment slots will be. Probably a gun slot. Maybe an ordinance slot. Maybe the Interceptor Specialist will be just like the original CAP Specialist and you get another engine slot.

In my honest opinion, Specialist 2 is going to be a CENSORED of a CENSORED to balance with what all is on the table - let alone with what Desert786 mentioned earlier - this would be practically like ripping open the hood of the game's engine that they recently duct-taped and band-aided shut and then trying to install parts made with cobbled-together materials rather than materials they should be made out of. (would you put a radiator made out of wood, sponge, and a bottle cap or two in a car you plan on going across the coast-to-coast in?)
 

On one hand it could be very limited, and end up being kind of pointless (like the legionairy system they talked about ended up being for pilots like myself who have zero EU planes.) On the other it could wind up being a sprawling mess like with how equipment 2.0 started out as for the veterans. I will say again this would/could be a fantastic opportunity to make planes like butcher birds and thunderbolts carry substantial weight in the meta of the game again, but knowing our luck this will be missed. Again.


 

Edited by NovaTempest, 24 September 2019 - 06:21 PM.

[losttwo]

SOON

[trikke]

we fear what we don't understand

[wylleEcoyote]

NovaTempest, on 24 September 2019 - 12:22 PM, said:

If that is the case then The thunderbolts and Butcher birds are going to be hard pressed to get this treatment, which IMO are arguably the two biggest groups that need this. Bad.

 

It would not make much sense for the hunter as it could potentially just turn into a redundant Swift. And regarding the staff problem - again - Lack of funding from WG.
 

Oh No   Wont someone think of the MultiRoles?

Jokes aside it changes not much of anything for them.  And I DO agree that the Thuds and Focke'rs can certainly do with some love

Spoiler

Personally i would re grind all those aforementioned MultiRoles if it unlocked a Spec2 variant that exchanges the Gun equipment slot for an ordinance slot in the 190. (call it the 190-F) 
Even if nothing else was done; It would be quite the game changer to have a 'Slick' and a 'Strike' variant for each Butcher Bird ready at the press of a button in the hanger. 
But then i am one of those rare silly players that is well on their way to getting that 5th ground kill tail marking on an A-5.

and vice-versa for the americans.
Imagine a Corsair with that american unique reinforced bolt carrier (ùwú)
Or a 'slick' Thud mounting a GOA. (all fire! all the time! Trogdoooor! Burn-erating the Zero's! )


Ok maybe not  that   but you get the idea...

 

However i am unconcerned about high altitude fighters stealing some MR thunder by trading some of that altitude for ordinance.

Spoiler

In my previous post i mentioned a potential 109 with outboard guns and maybe a bomb. Like an S-199 but with a higher ceiling...
The ability to carry that easily 30% higher than a 190 is definitely a game changer for the other high altitude aircraft.
But not so much for the 190. The 109 could always out turn the 190. And even with its boosted firepower, such a 109 would still loose to a 190 in a head to head confrontation.
The 190 (in its optimal altitude) is still 10% faster in a straight line (boosted or not) with more canons that have better soft stats due to their locations.
It would still have double the horse power to carry double the bomb/missile load and use double the boost time (even with a maxed out Booster)

More than likely the light fighter players are gonna be gleeful about that firepower boost.  
until they keep loosing air2air engagements with light fighters that kept to the old ways .
The lamentation will be long and loud.

Edited by wylleEcoyote, 24 September 2019 - 08:51 PM.

[NovaTempest]

wylleEcoyote, on 24 September 2019 - 08:12 PM, said:

Oh No   Wont someone think of the MultiRoles?

Jokes aside it changes not much of anything for them.  And I DO agree that the Thuds and Focke'rs can certainly do with some love

Spoiler

Personally i would re grind all those aforementioned MultiRoles if it unlocked a Spec2 variant that exchanges the Gun equipment slot for an ordinance slot in the 190. (call it the 190-F) 
Even if nothing else was done; It would be quite the game changer to have a 'Slick' and a 'Strike' variant for each Butcher Bird ready at the press of a button in the hanger. 
But then i am one of those rare silly players that is well on their way to getting that 5th ground kill tail marking on an A-5.

and vice-versa for the americans.
Imagine a 'slick' Thud mounting a GOA. (all fire! all the time! Trogdoooor! Burn-erating the peasants!)

Or a Corsair with that american unique reinforced bolt carrier (ùwú)

 

1. I faceplanted through the A-1, flopped through the A-5 and slogged my way through two grinds on the D to get to the Ta 152 and the Batwings, not particularly enjoying much of it (but MAN was it worth it for the Ta 152). My stomach churns at the thought of struggling through the thunderbolts after the tier 6. It is no wonder bot 190s and bot P-47s / XP-72s are what I would call "One Pass - One Glass". (IE the bots are only able to get one good pass on you if you are in anything but a GA or Bomber and SOME heavy fighters, if they don't Blam you out of their air, they're usually immediately CENSORED. That should be evidence enough that there is something inherently wrong with them in the current game.)

 

2. Primarily in the form of some configuration that actually lets them not feel like flying bricks and actually be able to defend themselves rather than feel like Miniature GA's. Because why not since Corsairs can pretend to be cannon-armed mustangs.

 

3.

Get dat weeb thottery outta here before it becomes infectious!
 

Edited by NovaTempest, 24 September 2019 - 08:30 PM.

[WafflesOfWrath]

We need a lot from S2, such as:

-gunpod 109s

-a bf110E that doesn't force you to take bombs

-lightnings with light cannon armament instead of forced 37mms

-altitude fighter variants of the mid-tier p47s and FWs

-night fighter alternates that give you nose-mounted radar arrays and massively boosted spotting range at the expense of armament, weapon cooldown (to simulate reduced ammo), etc., this could be applied to the Mosquito, 110s, etc. 

[wylleEcoyote]

NovaTempest, on 24 September 2019 - 03:27 PM, said:

1. I faceplanted through the A-1, flopped through the A-5 and slogged my way through two grinds on the D to get to the Ta 152 and the Batwings, not particularly enjoying much of it (but MAN was it worth it for the Ta 152). My stomach churns at the thought of struggling through the thunderbolts after the tier 6. It is no wonder bot 190s and bot P-47s / XP-72s are what I would call "One Pass - One Glass". (IE the bots are only able to get one good pass on you if you are in anything but a GA or Bomber and SOME heavy fighters, if they don't Blam you out of their air, they're usually immediately CENSORED. That should be evidence enough that there is something inherently wrong with them in the current game.)

 

2. Primarily in the form of some configuration that actually lets them not feel like flying bricks and actually be able to defend themselves rather than feel like Miniature GA's. Because why not since Corsairs can pretend to be cannon-armed mustangs.

 

3.

Get dat weeb thottery outta here before it becomes infectious!
 

1  The Way of the 190 is narrow. Treacherous and unforgiving. But not without reward. .


2. Honestly that is a good way to go about flying an ordinance truck. if you want something made with agility in mind that IS what British and USN MultiRoles are for
Speaking of Corsairs...
3. Fair enough! We shall intensify the forward batteries. We dont want any of that weeb thottery getting through ...

 
 

WafflesOfWrath, on 24 September 2019 - 03:45 PM, said:

We need a lot from S2, such as:

-gunpod 109s
S-199 gave us a taste of that

-a bf110E that doesn't force you to take bombs
Forced? i dont understand. I dont recall them being mandatory

-altitude fighter variants of the mid-tier p47s and FWs
I would not mind seeing more and/or better altitude performance in all the planes 'when running slick' than what the game currently offers.

-lightnings with light cannon armament instead of forced 37mms
That way lies OP madness.

-night fighter alternates that give you nose-mounted radar arrays and massively boosted spotting range at the expense of armament, weapon cooldown (to simulate reduced ammo), etc., this could be applied to the Mosquito, 110s, etc. 
Soo you want Navigational Radio Equipment  for the mid tiers then? Seems neat!

Dont forget a reason to put sirens on a StuKa!