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Silence6966 #1 Posted 19 September 2019 - 09:43 PM

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im dead heat for exp and can get one of these tomorrow, but only have credits for one, do i go 262 or 209?

trikke #2 Posted 19 September 2019 - 10:00 PM

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I love the 209 and will never touch the 262 again
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Get the 209!  It doesn't bother the bombers near as much as the 262.     :coin:
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View PostSilence6966, on 19 September 2019 - 09:43 PM, said:

im dead heat for exp and can get one of these tomorrow, but only have credits for one, do i go 262 or 209?


Well, as a guy who loves the HF, and has every German HF in available in the game, I'm going to tell you that the Me-262 is a brilliant T8 plane.  But as a big fan of the Bf-109 line of LF, the Me-209 leads to one of the best LFs in the game - the P.1092.  The 209 is very good.  The P.1092 is magnificent.



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You have enough time to get all of them.

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View PostMARS_REVENANT, on 19 September 2019 - 06:55 PM, said:

You have enough time to get all of them.

 

That.  And as always, with every question like this, it is about what you enjoy flying the most.  I'd say get the 209, and as Mars said kinda, the rest will come.

 

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Silence6966 #7 Posted 20 September 2019 - 02:46 AM

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thanks guys leaning towards the 209 im not enjoying the zwilling nearly as much as I enjoyed the 410

 



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I enjoy flying the Z now that I stepped back down to the 20s, because I can't hit anything with the 30s
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Which to take first may depend on what planes you already have/went through/intend to get.

Both have a bunch of modules shared with other German lines so care in which you go with will either make your new plane grind easier or make life easier on another line later.


Edited by hoom, 20 September 2019 - 02:55 AM.

C'est magnifique, mais ce n'est pas le SerB.

Silence6966 #10 Posted 20 September 2019 - 03:05 AM

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i have one 8 the spit, one 9 the attacker, so I have everything else at 6 except the 2 germans and the mustang at 7

 



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Well for example you mention having the Zwilling, top engine for that is top engine for Me 209 A so if you buy the 209 A you will have immediate access to the top engine.

 

Then the 3rd 262 engine Jumo 004 B is the 2nd on Me P.1092 so going through 209 A & part way into 1092 before buying the 262 will save you over 40k XP of grind with underpowered engines. (which from other ppls comments is particularly awful)

Or in my case I'm going up the GA line so that I get that engine stock when I research the Me 1099 B-2.


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Silence6966 #12 Posted 20 September 2019 - 05:10 AM

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thats great advice

 



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I've always enjoyed the Tech-tree shared module research optimisation mini-game :)

I mean it can get really stupid like I'm researching & grinding T5-9 on the GA line for an Engine I can get with a few battles on a T8 I already have researched...

 

Oh god I just realised I probably get that from my mum who used to drive across town to do stuff like buy 20L box of icecream to save a net few dollars compared to buying same volume of normal size containers at local supermarket :facepalm:

...Still better than the habit of pacing around with my hands down the back of my pants that I got from dad :hiding:


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View Posthoom, on 20 September 2019 - 12:37 AM, said:

I've always enjoyed the Tech-tree shared module research optimisation mini-game :)

I mean it can get really stupid like I'm researching & grinding T5-9 on the GA line for an Engine I can get with a few battles on a T8 I already have researched...

 

Oh god I just realised I probably get that from my mum who used to drive across town to do stuff like buy 20L box of icecream to save a net few dollars compared to buying same volume of normal size containers at local supermarket :facepalm:

...Still better than the habit of pacing around with my hands down the back of my pants that I got from dad :hiding:


:medal:   LOL.  Beats pacing around with your hands down the front!


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View PostSilence6966, on 20 September 2019 - 02:46 AM, said:

thanks guys leaning towards the 209 im not enjoying the zwilling nearly as much as I enjoyed the 410

 



As someone who has reached the end of both of these lines, let me give you heavily detailed advice:

The First 262 is going to be a test for you if this is your deepest foray into heavy fighters thus far.

 

You are either going to figure out how to play it immediately and love it (I have seen some players with specialized Me 262s), or be like me and Trikke and DESPISE the First 262 with enough fervor to never touch it again. The first 262 has great speed and ability to change altitude for its tier, but it suffers from using only a slightly improved version of the 109 Z's 30mm cannons.

 

Off-Tangent

 

The main problem of the 108s on the 262 is the speeds of the planes the 262 sees. At tier 9 the 108s are going to struggle against tier 9s and even other tier 8s, they travel slowly, and require further lead time if your target is not flying directly towards or away from you. However, conversely, the 262 cannot turn as well as the 109 Z can, which means it is harder to lead the shots, which combined with the slower travel time of the Mk 108 cannons means that you are stuck with a plane with not very long range cannons that has a particularly narrow engaging cone in front of it, though R4M does help some by giving you a backup option.

 

The Me 209 on the other hand is not too far removed from the Ta 152, it can turn better than the Ta 152 but it shares 1 Mk 103 cannon with it in the nose. The 209 is a mid-range duelist that happens to be able to snipe as well. I found the Me 209 a balanced fighter, though it sometimes doesn't like getting up close like its predecessors do.

 

Back to the 262, you will find the HG II a much better plane than the Tier 8. Better control, better armament... the HG II has more of what the tier 8 wishes it did. However you will still initially be stuck with those MK-108s if you do not fly the P.1092 before you fly the HG II, as the HG II's second set of guns are shared with the P.1092.

Therefore, my advice is to stagger progression between these two lines. Go with the following:

 

Me 209 A

V

Me 262

V

P. 1092

V

Me 262 HG II

 

I will look forward to ever seeing you up there in a T8-T9 if I am flying my HG II. I'll do my best to showcase what the HG II can really do. :playing:



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The Z and 262 were good planes once I put increased ROF mod on them.

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View PostNovaTempest, on 20 September 2019 - 03:55 PM, said:



As someone who has reached the end of both of these lines, let me give you heavily detailed advice:

The First 262 is going to be a test for you if this is your deepest foray into heavy fighters thus far.

 

You are either going to figure out how to play it immediately and love it (I have seen some players with specialized Me 262s), or be like me and Trikke and DESPISE the First 262 with enough fervor to never touch it again. The first 262 has great speed and ability to change altitude for its tier, but it suffers from using only a slightly improved version of the 109 Z's 30mm cannons.

 

Off-Tangent

 

The main problem of the 108s on the 262 is the speeds of the planes the 262 sees. At tier 9 the 108s are going to struggle against tier 9s and even other tier 8s, they travel slowly, and require further lead time if your target is not flying directly towards or away from you. However, conversely, the 262 cannot turn as well as the 109 Z can, which means it is harder to lead the shots, which combined with the slower travel time of the Mk 108 cannons means that you are stuck with a plane with not very long range cannons that has a particularly narrow engaging cone in front of it, though R4M does help some by giving you a backup option.

 

The Me 209 on the other hand is not too far removed from the Ta 152, it can turn better than the Ta 152 but it shares 1 Mk 103 cannon with it in the nose. The 209 is a mid-range duelist that happens to be able to snipe as well. I found the Me 209 a balanced fighter, though it sometimes doesn't like getting up close like its predecessors do.

 

Back to the 262, you will find the HG II a much better plane than the Tier 8. Better control, better armament... the HG II has more of what the tier 8 wishes it did. However you will still initially be stuck with those MK-108s if you do not fly the P.1092 before you fly the HG II, as the HG II's second set of guns are shared with the P.1092.

Therefore, my advice is to stagger progression between these two lines. Go with the following:

 

Me 209 A

V

Me 262

V

P. 1092

V

Me 262 HG II

 

I will look forward to ever seeing you up there in a T8-T9 if I am flying my HG II. I'll do my best to showcase what the HG II can really do. :playing:

ive run out of upvotes for the day, (weird) but thank you, I went to the 209 and im flying my attacker at level 9 now too, ill look for you



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View PostNovaTempest, on 20 September 2019 - 03:55 PM, said:



As someone who has reached the end of both of these lines, let me give you heavily detailed advice:

The First 262 is going to be a test for you if this is your deepest foray into heavy fighters thus far.

 

You are either going to figure out how to play it immediately and love it (I have seen some players with specialized Me 262s), or be like me and Trikke and DESPISE the First 262 with enough fervor to never touch it again. The first 262 has great speed and ability to change altitude for its tier, but it suffers from using only a slightly improved version of the 109 Z's 30mm cannons.

 

Off-Tangent

 

The main problem of the 108s on the 262 is the speeds of the planes the 262 sees. At tier 9 the 108s are going to struggle against tier 9s and even other tier 8s, they travel slowly, and require further lead time if your target is not flying directly towards or away from you. However, conversely, the 262 cannot turn as well as the 109 Z can, which means it is harder to lead the shots, which combined with the slower travel time of the Mk 108 cannons means that you are stuck with a plane with not very long range cannons that has a particularly narrow engaging cone in front of it, though R4M does help some by giving you a backup option.

 

The Me 209 on the other hand is not too far removed from the Ta 152, it can turn better than the Ta 152 but it shares 1 Mk 103 cannon with it in the nose. The 209 is a mid-range duelist that happens to be able to snipe as well. I found the Me 209 a balanced fighter, though it sometimes doesn't like getting up close like its predecessors do.

 

Back to the 262, you will find the HG II a much better plane than the Tier 8. Better control, better armament... the HG II has more of what the tier 8 wishes it did. However you will still initially be stuck with those MK-108s if you do not fly the P.1092 before you fly the HG II, as the HG II's second set of guns are shared with the P.1092.

Therefore, my advice is to stagger progression between these two lines. Go with the following:

 

Me 209 A

V

Me 262

V

P. 1092

V

Me 262 HG II

 

I will look forward to ever seeing you up there in a T8-T9 if I am flying my HG II. I'll do my best to showcase what the HG II can really do. :playing:


Excellent analysis.  I am a HUGE fan of the Me-262 - mine is specialized, and I've got it all at Ultimate.equipment.  Marksman I and II, and ADE, EGI - the thing is stupid fast, and I fly it like a giant J8M.  The 4x30mm MK-108s just DESTROY stuff, when you land those shells.

 

Now, the 109Z I had trouble with the 30s, so I switched back to the 20s.  I am not going to pay to specialize this guy - I am going to run it with 20s forever.  I hated this plane until I switched to the 20s, and then it woke up for me.

 

The HGII with the MK-213s is probably my favorite jet HF.  I love that thing.



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View PostSilence6966, on 19 September 2019 - 04:43 PM, said:

im dead heat for exp and can get one of these tomorrow, but only have credits for one, do i go 262 or 209?

 

I think that they both hoover.  :)


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