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NovaTempest #1 Posted 13 September 2019 - 04:52 PM

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So a thought came to mind, one that might be interesting to see snowball:

If any of you here are Redditors and know of the subreddit "r/softwaregore", consider this akin to what you see in that subreddit, except revolving entirely around weird/silly/derpy/magic bot behaviour.

Aside from HF bots ignoring player bombers at T10 being under 1000m, aside from Bot GAs crashing into sections of ground targets on plants and command centers or suddenly having the gonads to shoot at planes with their forward guns, aside from bot planes being able to fly at altitudes player versions of said planes could hardly dream of, and aside from headhunter bots and the magical things ADAs do... etc...

So to put it bluntly, the point of those who decide to post in this thread will be to answer this question:

"What are the strangest things you have ever seen bots in WoWP do?"

I myself have a perfect example, though the full details are hazy, i recall enough to recount the event sufficiently:
 

This match in question was put in a map on Cold Peak. I know for a fact T8's were involved, but not the other tier as it was a while ago. This bot in question was a I-260.

 

I had just respawned and was going to aid in flipping the middle, I believe i was in either my J7W1, Yak-9U, or a light fighter.

 

As I approach, this enemy bot I-260 is being chased by at least two allied planes, i believe one was a bot, another a human, with an ADA and another bot nearby turning on this I-260. Just as I get within 1000 meters of this I-260, this madlad of a bot does an evasive barrel-roll on the planes chasing it - and I kid you not - Mid-way through this maneuver it fires a single shot of its sniper cannon in my direction.

 

this shot hit... and it downed my plane...

 

my hatred of bot snipers grew tenfold that day...

 

I wish I had replays enabled, I would have left a recording of the event up here, but unfortunately I have a laptop considered a semi-potato nowadays, and It did not cross my mind to take any screenshots. :(

 

Needless to say I now obliterate I-260s and sniper bots in general whenever they get near me. A "No sniping zone" policy.



pyantoryng #2 Posted 13 September 2019 - 05:12 PM

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You got owned by Potap.

 

Once in my J7W3 I fought tooth and nail to salvage a match...I had to go and down the last enemy myself because the bots couldn't come down to get it...but that was some time ago and I can't remember it clearly anymore...



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Deciballistic #3 Posted 13 September 2019 - 08:16 PM

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View PostNovaTempest, on 13 September 2019 - 10:52 AM, said:

 

This match in question was put in a map on Cold Peak. I know for a fact T8's were involved, but not the other tier as it was a while ago. This bot in question was a I-260.

 

I had just respawned and was going to aid in flipping the middle, I believe i was in either my J7W1, Yak-9U, or a light fighter.

 

As I approach, this enemy bot I-260 is being chased by at least two allied planes, i believe one was a bot, another a human, with an ADA and another bot nearby turning on this I-260. Just as I get within 1000 meters of this I-260, this madlad of a bot does an evasive barrel-roll on the planes chasing it - and I kid you not - Mid-way through this maneuver it fires a single shot of its sniper cannon in my direction.

 

this shot hit... and it downed my plane...

 

my hatred of bot snipers grew tenfold that day...

 

 

 

Similar scenario of a bot enemy plane being attacked, but instead of the bot plane sniping me with a cannon to the face, it hit me with a rocket.



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I had a bot get Hero of the Skies in a match yesterday.  Scary.

 

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Well Nova, this incident may qualify for your subject.

A bot Tu-10 bomber chases down my RB-17 and kills me with his forward firing 23mm cannons.

I'd never seen this behavior from a bot bomber before and it caught me off guard.

I should have continued to try and out run him but I was sure he would break off the chase and get back to his real job

of being a bomber lol.

 

 

 

 



Captain_Underpants53 #6 Posted 14 September 2019 - 02:33 PM

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View PostClosedCoffin, on 14 September 2019 - 08:06 AM, said:

Well Nova, this incident may qualify for your subject.

A bot Tu-10 bomber chases down my RB-17 and kills me with his forward firing 23mm cannons.

I'd never seen this behavior from a bot bomber before and it caught me off guard.

I should have continued to try and out run him but I was sure he would break off the chase and get back to his real job

of being a bomber lol.

 

 

 

 


Yes, I've been seeing that bot behavior as well.

 

Evidently they aren't too motivated to get a good score.


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NovaTempest #7 Posted 14 September 2019 - 07:38 PM

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View PostCaptain_Underpants53, on 14 September 2019 - 02:33 PM, said:


Yes, I've been seeing that bot behavior as well.

 

Evidently they aren't too motivated to get a good score.


This particularly is an "oddity" I have only seen in the Russian bombers if bots get behind the steering column of them. I think it is likely because they have enough maneuverability, speed, and actually have forward firing armament that the bots will sometimes have amnesia and think they are flying a cruddy heavy fighter or something. This also happens in A-26B bots but they do not have as much maneuverability, so they behave a bit more like "ballsy GAs" with their armament, and it is also rather rare.


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we like to warp the game during our Saturday Night Live training rooms, and I'll never forget seeing eight IL-10s climbing way high in the distance, trying to shoot at the BEM bomber flights


I had forgotten which team was attack and defend, and I had stuck those poor buggers on defense


As we drew closer, the ILs abandoned the bombers and came at us!   They were 2 tiers higher than we were, and they chewed us up!

We had 6 human pilots and they had 8 veteran bots, and we lost that battle, but man that was fun!

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Why did they make bots able to do stuff that an expert human can not do? It's beyond getting old.

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I've seen this twice:

 

I'll be following and targeting a red ADA when another red ADA (may have been a red bot with a name) gets in between the 2 of us and it shoots down the ADA I was targeting



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Yesterday, had two red bots ram into and kill one another immediately after the match started.  
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Northern Bridgehead. Match begins. Soon after we start moving, I hear a distant explosion and see the message that my allied bot IL-40P faceplanted into a mountain :facepalm:
 

Caught it on video too.

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One bot GAA crash into building and another killed by AA over a command center...:sceptic:

WoWP makes a great jousting game...especially with the 262 and people busy in furballs...
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NovaTempest #14 Posted 14 November 2019 - 05:27 PM

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View Postpyantoryng, on 12 November 2019 - 05:50 PM, said:

One bot GAA crash into building and another killed by AA over a command center...:sceptic:


Happens much more frequently with the smoke stacks over plants.

Might as well call them "Bot GA Nets".



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Bot heavies chasing you in a bomber from across the map, get your turret on them and they peel off just before you can kill them. 

They re-gen health and repeat until one of you is dead. Always seems to happen when I'm about to cap a base also. 

 

Bot Russian Mrf's are dangerous. They are easy to kill but when you least expect it they will 1 shot you out of nowhere, esp. after squal.

 

Lastly, bot GA & bombers with mining plants. Sometimes I look at the mini map to see 2 enemy GA & bombers at our MP while only 1 friendly GA is attacking theirs. I fight to defend our MP but when you kill one, they just respawn and go straight to the MP again and again. 

I defend until I die or just can't keep up with them until they flip it mid-late game and now they have 2 MP... Game over. 

What was our GA & bombers doing? Seems like just an rng factor of what type of bots you'll get. Most are predictable but when they start doing stuff like that you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. All the while the enemy humans are playing their normal game not having to worry about their bots at all and have good/winning games. 


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Yesterday, I was in my Ju-288A in a bottom tier match, and an enemy bot P.1056 was gunning straight for me(I was on almost full health). I knew I was dead, there was just no way I could survive or even less likely, ward it off with the Ju-288A's weak defenses. But then, the unthinkable happened! IT RAMMED ME AND DIED! LOL. If it hadn't rammed me, and had instead climbed and gone back around for another pass, there was no way I could have stopped it, but instead it rammed me and took only itself out!

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View Post_Panzerkunst_, on 15 November 2019 - 03:56 PM, said:

Bot heavies chasing you in a bomber from across the map, get your turret on them and they peel off just before you can kill them. 

They re-gen health and repeat until one of you is dead. Always seems to happen when I'm about to cap a base also. 

 

Bot Russian Mrf's are dangerous. They are easy to kill but when you least expect it they will 1 shot you out of nowhere, esp. after squal.

 

Lastly, bot GA & bombers with mining plants. Sometimes I look at the mini map to see 2 enemy GA & bombers at our MP while only 1 friendly GA is attacking theirs. I fight to defend our MP but when you kill one, they just respawn and go straight to the MP again and again. 

I defend until I die or just can't keep up with them until they flip it mid-late game and now they have 2 MP... Game over. 

What was our GA & bombers doing? Seems like just an rng factor of what type of bots you'll get. Most are predictable but when they start doing stuff like that you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. All the while the enemy humans are playing their normal game not having to worry about their bots at all and have good/winning games. 

Yes, I agree.  The bots are really RNG related.  More often than not, I feel like I am competing with bots, not the people in the match.


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View PostCaptain_Underpants53, on 15 November 2019 - 11:32 PM, said:

Yes, I agree.  The bots are really RNG related.  More often than not, I feel like I am competing with bots, not the people in the match.

Indeed, sometimes bot management / bot suppression is even more important than suppressing human pilots.

enemy bot bombers ignored by Bot HFs on maps with say 2 plants are more often than not more of a threat to victory than a human spitfire tumbling around in the middle.

It can be a small boost to win rate if you can tell the difference.



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View PostNovaTempest, on 16 November 2019 - 05:45 PM, said:

Indeed, sometimes bot management / bot suppression is even more important than suppressing human pilots.

enemy bot bombers ignored by Bot HFs on maps with say 2 plants are more often than not more of a threat to victory than a human spitfire tumbling around in the middle.

It can be a small boost to win rate if you can tell the difference.


It makes me pull my hair out.  The red bot GA and bombers come over and can flip a plant in seconds, while my bot GA and bombers circle around the other plant getting shot down by very dedicated bot defenders.  Like, umm, wut? 







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