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NovaTempest #1 Posted 12 September 2019 - 06:27 PM

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Meet the Ryan FR Fireball.

First flown: 25 June 1944

Service period: March 1945 - August 1947

Recommended Class: Multirole

Recommended Tier: VIII

Recommended stats:


Gun Armament: 4x .50 cal (12.7mm) machine guns

Outboard Armament: 2x 1000 lb bombs; 8x 127mm (5 inch) rockets.


Hitpoints: 470 (F2G: 420 > 440 ; XP-72: 480 > 500)
Fire Vulnerability: High

Engine Vulnerability: Moderate (It has 2)

Wing + Tail Vulnerability: Average

Pilot Vulnerability: Average


Top speed: 620 Km/h (404 Mph)

Cruise Speed: 475 Km/h

Max Dive speed: 875 Km/h

Boost Duration: 18 seconds

Boost Speed: 745 Km/h


Turn time (360º): 12.3 seconds

Rate of Roll: 145º/s

Minimum Optimal Speed: 256 Km/h

Maximum Optimal Speed: 680 Km/h

Stall Speed: 170 Km/h


Minimum Optimal Altitude: 0m

Maximum Optimal Altitude: 1600m

Service Ceiling: 3600m

Rate of Climb: 135.5 m/s


 

This would be an interesting "Hybrid" among the American multi-roles.

Thoughts?


Edited by NovaTempest, 12 September 2019 - 06:34 PM.


BB3_Oregon_Steel #2 Posted 12 September 2019 - 07:46 PM

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View PostNovaTempest, on 12 September 2019 - 10:27 AM, said:

Meet the Ryan FR Fireball.

First flown: 25 June 1944

Service period: March 1945 - August 1947

Recommended Class: Multirole

Recommended Tier: VIII

Recommended stats:


Gun Armament: 4x .50 cal (12.7mm) machine guns

Outboard Armament: 2x 1000 lb bombs; 8x 127mm (5 inch) rockets.


Hitpoints: 470 (F2G: 420 > 440 ; XP-72: 480 > 500)
Fire Vulnerability: High

Engine Vulnerability: Moderate (It has 2)

Wing + Tail Vulnerability: Average

Pilot Vulnerability: Average


Top speed: 620 Km/h (404 Mph)

Cruise Speed: 475 Km/h

Max Dive speed: 875 Km/h

Boost Duration: 18 seconds

Boost Speed: 745 Km/h


Turn time (360º): 12.3 seconds

Rate of Roll: 145º/s

Minimum Optimal Speed: 256 Km/h

Maximum Optimal Speed: 680 Km/h

Stall Speed: 170 Km/h


Minimum Optimal Altitude: 0m

Maximum Optimal Altitude: 1600m

Service Ceiling: 3600m

Rate of Climb: 135.5 m/s


 

This would be an interesting "Hybrid" among the American multi-roles.

Thoughts?

 

Definitely meets the WG "weirdness" criteria for adding new premiums. 


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trikke #3 Posted 13 September 2019 - 02:28 AM

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I don't know, man.      It was the poster child of poorly designed planes


Not like that would stop WG from making it into a premium


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wylleEcoyote #4 Posted 13 September 2019 - 07:20 AM

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This is a ground attacking version of the Curtis XF-15C in tier 8. Its a bit too undergunned and over ordinanced for multirole work. 
It Would be an Interesting (in a very weird sort of premium way) tier 7-8 for a future american GAA line based off of carrier borne torpedo/dive bomber like the dauntless/devastator.

Especially with its listed operational speeds that are equivalent to tier 4 GAA. When using the piston only.
But with the jet working it then has operational speeds comparable to tier 8-10 GAA.
Being literally too slow for anything else to get behind without stalling out  when it wants to be is very much part of the GAA meta

So you wind up with an airplane that has:
the combined ordinance payload of a Thud AND a Corsair (balanced via reload time to fit within its tier)
The airspeed of an IL 8 (tier7) that can go up to the airspeed of an IL-40P (tier10)
the agility of a Yak
And all balanced out by having the the firepower; and the hitpoint total, of a Goblin.

All in all a very weird premium airplane. Which may not be a bad thing.
In this case weird translates into something different from the current meta.
But hardly game breaking. I would imagine it to be about as popular as the Me 109 TL.

Edited by wylleEcoyote, 13 September 2019 - 09:05 AM.

Fair warning. My success rate at speculative guesswork is much like my WinRate. Hit or Miss.
Usually I start on the right track and then a make a weird left turn and get lost in the weeds ... 
And yet it doesn't stop me from speculation.

Specialist Planes I have from : Japan, USA, UK, Germany, USSR, Europe
Light Fighters:   XP-31, Model 81A-1, P-40, P-51A, P-39N-1, XF15C, DH.100 F1, Fw 56, He 112, Bf 109 B / E / E-3 / F, Me209v4, Me209 A, I-17
Multi-Roles: Type 91, F11C-2, F4F, P-47B, Fw 190 A-1 / A-5 / D, I- 5 / 15 / 16(e)(l)

Heavy Fighters: P-38 F/J,  XP-58, Beaufighter,  Bf 110 C-6, Me 410, Do 335 A-1, Me 262, Tu-1, SE 100,

Attack Aircraft: Hs 123, Ha 137, Hs 129 A, Ju 87 G, Me 265, Me 1099 B-2
Bombers: Do 17 Z, He 111 H2, Pe-2, Do 217 M
 


Wombatmetal #5 Posted 13 September 2019 - 08:38 AM

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View PostwylleEcoyote, on 12 September 2019 - 11:20 PM, said:

This is a ground attacking version of the Curtis XF-15C in tier 8. Its a bit too undergunned and over ordinanced for multirole work. 
It Would be an interesting tier 7-8 for a future american GAA line based off of carrier borne torpedo planes like the dauntless/devastator.

Give me a Skyraider lol



wylleEcoyote #6 Posted 13 September 2019 - 09:10 AM

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View Posttrikke, on 12 September 2019 - 09:28 PM, said:

I don't know, man.      It was the poster child of poorly designed planes


Not like that would stop WG from making it into a premium



You just described the XP-75 Eagle. In real life it was stupidly bad. In game it does stupidly well.


Fair warning. My success rate at speculative guesswork is much like my WinRate. Hit or Miss.
Usually I start on the right track and then a make a weird left turn and get lost in the weeds ... 
And yet it doesn't stop me from speculation.

Specialist Planes I have from : Japan, USA, UK, Germany, USSR, Europe
Light Fighters:   XP-31, Model 81A-1, P-40, P-51A, P-39N-1, XF15C, DH.100 F1, Fw 56, He 112, Bf 109 B / E / E-3 / F, Me209v4, Me209 A, I-17
Multi-Roles: Type 91, F11C-2, F4F, P-47B, Fw 190 A-1 / A-5 / D, I- 5 / 15 / 16(e)(l)

Heavy Fighters: P-38 F/J,  XP-58, Beaufighter,  Bf 110 C-6, Me 410, Do 335 A-1, Me 262, Tu-1, SE 100,

Attack Aircraft: Hs 123, Ha 137, Hs 129 A, Ju 87 G, Me 265, Me 1099 B-2
Bombers: Do 17 Z, He 111 H2, Pe-2, Do 217 M
 


wylleEcoyote #7 Posted 13 September 2019 - 09:19 AM

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View PostWombatmetal, on 13 September 2019 - 03:38 AM, said:

Give me a Skyraider lol


Oh joy! It's the obligatory "give us Skyraider plz" post for whenever American GAA is brought up.
At least it wasn't me this time.

From your lips to the dev's ears my friend :great:

 


Fair warning. My success rate at speculative guesswork is much like my WinRate. Hit or Miss.
Usually I start on the right track and then a make a weird left turn and get lost in the weeds ... 
And yet it doesn't stop me from speculation.

Specialist Planes I have from : Japan, USA, UK, Germany, USSR, Europe
Light Fighters:   XP-31, Model 81A-1, P-40, P-51A, P-39N-1, XF15C, DH.100 F1, Fw 56, He 112, Bf 109 B / E / E-3 / F, Me209v4, Me209 A, I-17
Multi-Roles: Type 91, F11C-2, F4F, P-47B, Fw 190 A-1 / A-5 / D, I- 5 / 15 / 16(e)(l)

Heavy Fighters: P-38 F/J,  XP-58, Beaufighter,  Bf 110 C-6, Me 410, Do 335 A-1, Me 262, Tu-1, SE 100,

Attack Aircraft: Hs 123, Ha 137, Hs 129 A, Ju 87 G, Me 265, Me 1099 B-2
Bombers: Do 17 Z, He 111 H2, Pe-2, Do 217 M
 


NovaTempest #8 Posted 13 September 2019 - 03:40 PM

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View PostWombatmetal, on 13 September 2019 - 08:38 AM, said:

Give me a Skyraider lol


I imagine the skyraider will appear on an american GA line... if one ever shows up. I hope one does so that LMG makes more of a return. I miss the guy. :(

 

View PostwylleEcoyote, on 13 September 2019 - 07:20 AM, said:

This is a ground attacking version of the Curtis XF-15C in tier 8. Its a bit too undergunned and over ordinanced for multirole work. 
It Would be an Interesting (in a very weird sort of premium way) tier 7-8 for a future american GAA line based off of carrier borne torpedo/dive bomber like the dauntless/devastator.

Especially with its listed operational speeds that are equivalent to tier 4 GAA. When using the piston only.
But with the jet working it then has operational speeds comparable to tier 8-10 GAA.
Being literally too slow for anything else to get behind without stalling out  when it wants to be is very much part of the GAA meta

So you wind up with an airplane that has:
the combined ordinance payload of a Thud AND a Corsair (balanced via reload time to fit within its tier)
The airspeed of an IL 8 (tier7) that can go up to the airspeed of an IL-40P (tier10)
the agility of a Yak
And all balanced out by having the the firepower; and the hitpoint total, of a Goblin.

All in all a very weird premium airplane. Which may not be a bad thing.
In this case weird translates into something different from the current meta.
But hardly game breaking. I would imagine it to be about as popular as the Me 109 TL.

 

I do see your argument here, lemme break this down a bit and provide some counter-argument - Food for thought really, nothing hostile.


1.  In game, The XP-72 can mount x8 5" rockets and x2 500 lb bombs, the F2G can mount a 1600 lb bomb and x8 5" rockets as well. Which weirdly means in-game the F2G can carry a heavier load. Throwing another 400 lbs to the F2G's ordinance on an aircraft with two engines instead of one from an arcade game perspective is not too far of a stretch if you ask me.

 

2. If you saw the suggested airspeed stats i did account for this, mixing elements from the In-game I-250, and making the FR Fireball's a middle ground between the F2G and the XP-72. I definitely get you are going on the historical statistics, but again, this is an arcade game, WG has full liberty to "tweak" things for "Balance" as we are all very keenly aware of.

 

3. I am assuming here you mean a FR fireball in an ideal GA configuration, but it is still a tad iffy to say double the ordinance payload of the F2G and an XP-72. Bomb load wise this is absolutely double that of a XP-72, but it is less than 50% more than the max bomb ordinance of a Super Corsair in game.

 

4. please tell me you mean the sniper yaks instead of the fighter yaks... and even then that is a bit of a stretch and it would put the fireball's maneuverability past the Me 109 TL... speaking of which...

 

5. I happen to own the 109 TL, in fact mine is specialized. I have also flown the Butcher birds, and let me tell you, the 109 TL does not have much similarity to the Focke Wulf 190s from my experience. At least the 109 TL can actually be made to turn without tearing your own arm off in the process. Simultaneously i have found the 109 TL's speeds to translate better in its tier than any of the 190s do for theirs. To put it blunty, the Fw 190s feel more like flying gun barges with some ordinance, while the Me 109 TL feels more like a hybrid between a bomb-carrying Me 262 and a Bf 109, having characteristics of both. The 190s are more for assaulting anything that winds up in front of them and GTFO when a fighter shows up, while the 109 TL can actually be rather plucky when it comes to seizing sectors. Just my two cents.

 

I do get the viewpoint, but it seems a little more hairy to justify to me than just calling it a multi-role at Tier 8.  :amazed:


Edited by NovaTempest, 13 September 2019 - 03:47 PM.


wylleEcoyote #9 Posted 13 September 2019 - 11:13 PM

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View PostNovaTempest, on 13 September 2019 - 10:40 AM, said:


I imagine the skyraider will appear on an american GA line... if one ever shows up. I hope one does so that LMG makes more of a return. I miss the guy. :(

 

 

I do see your argument here, lemme break this down a bit and provide some counter-argument - Food for thought really, nothing hostile.


1.  In game, The XP-72 can mount x8 5" rockets and x2 500 lb bombs, the F2G can mount a 1600 lb bomb and x8 5" rockets as well. Which weirdly means in-game the F2G can carry a heavier load. Throwing another 400 lbs to the F2G's ordinance on an aircraft with two engines instead of one from an arcade game perspective is not too far of a stretch if you ask me.

 

2. If you saw the suggested airspeed stats i did account for this, mixing elements from the In-game I-250, and making the FR Fireball's a middle ground between the F2G and the XP-72. I definitely get you are going on the historical statistics, but again, this is an arcade game, WG has full liberty to "tweak" things for "Balance" as we are all very keenly aware of.

 

3. I am assuming here you mean a FR fireball in an ideal GA configuration, but it is still a tad iffy to say double the ordinance payload of the F2G and an XP-72. Bomb load wise this is absolutely double that of a XP-72, but it is less than 50% more than the max bomb ordinance of a Super Corsair in game.

 

4. please tell me you mean the sniper yaks instead of the fighter yaks... and even then that is a bit of a stretch and it would put the fireball's maneuverability past the Me 109 TL... speaking of which...

 

5. I happen to own the 109 TL, in fact mine is specialized. I have also flown the Butcher birds, and let me tell you, the 109 TL does not have much similarity to the Focke Wulf 190s from my experience. At least the 109 TL can actually be made to turn without tearing your own arm off in the process. Simultaneously i have found the 109 TL's speeds to translate better in its tier than any of the 190s do for theirs. To put it blunty, the Fw 190s feel more like flying gun barges with some ordinance, while the Me 109 TL feels more like a hybrid between a bomb-carrying Me 262 and a Bf 109, having characteristics of both. The 190s are more for assaulting anything that winds up in front of them and GTFO when a fighter shows up, while the 109 TL can actually be rather plucky when it comes to seizing sectors. Just my two cents.

 

I do get the viewpoint, but it seems a little more hairy to justify to me than just calling it a multi-role at Tier 8.  :amazed:


Its not as much of a stretch i think. Looking at the wikipedia data i see a multirole  with just a little bit less engine performance than an in game stock P-47N .
Even though it has 30% less (dry) weight. AND a jet engine. which is really weird. It SHOULD go like a bat outa hell. but instead its a P-47N hit with a nerf bat.
Sooo that's a tier 7 maybe?
Maybe give it some extra boost time. Or we can do what you did and use parameters for aircraft that never had to carry around 3000 extra pounds of ordinance.
But it does have a Jet and Prop!  and 2x 1000lb bombs and 8x HVAR.so that is tier 8 or 8and a half depending on reload speed.

It also has 50% less gun power making it as weak as the P-51A. That's a bigger issue than the weird power to weight performance.
BUt if you can fix the weird engine values by just pumping them up by 15+%; then we can fix the issue with the guns.
By making them the ones from the tier 9 Goblin we regain that stock P-47N firepower.
 
Still Fireball's values are really all over the map for a MultiRole. Especially when MultiRoles are supposed to be middle of the road kind of planes that set the norm for everything else.

When i see weak guns+strong bombs i Really wanna place that into a bomb first gun last GAA meta.



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Edited by wylleEcoyote, 13 September 2019 - 11:15 PM.

Fair warning. My success rate at speculative guesswork is much like my WinRate. Hit or Miss.
Usually I start on the right track and then a make a weird left turn and get lost in the weeds ... 
And yet it doesn't stop me from speculation.

Specialist Planes I have from : Japan, USA, UK, Germany, USSR, Europe
Light Fighters:   XP-31, Model 81A-1, P-40, P-51A, P-39N-1, XF15C, DH.100 F1, Fw 56, He 112, Bf 109 B / E / E-3 / F, Me209v4, Me209 A, I-17
Multi-Roles: Type 91, F11C-2, F4F, P-47B, Fw 190 A-1 / A-5 / D, I- 5 / 15 / 16(e)(l)

Heavy Fighters: P-38 F/J,  XP-58, Beaufighter,  Bf 110 C-6, Me 410, Do 335 A-1, Me 262, Tu-1, SE 100,

Attack Aircraft: Hs 123, Ha 137, Hs 129 A, Ju 87 G, Me 265, Me 1099 B-2
Bombers: Do 17 Z, He 111 H2, Pe-2, Do 217 M
 






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