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Four_Leaf_Tayback #1 Posted 03 September 2019 - 11:08 PM

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I have come to a crossroads.  It seems that (and it might just be negative bias) that every time I play a Tier 7 plane, I am up against at least two human Tier 8 planes with maybe one other Tier 7 plane on my side.  Maybe, one other Tier 8 on my side, but usually a multi-role or just otherwise incompetent plane.  

 

I do complete the battles, but it is appearing more and more futile to play a Tier 7 plane.  Maybe it's just me, maybe it's the MM being inept.  

 

In any case, I usually have a lot of hangar space but recently I am getting short on space.  Thinking of ditching this tier with exception for the premiums and where I am still grinding.  

 

Is it just me, or is this a cursed tier?


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Ace_BOTlistic_Cosmo #2 Posted 03 September 2019 - 11:40 PM

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I dunno

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if the pilot's good, see, I mean, if he's really..sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low [he spreads his arms like wings and laughs],

you oughtta see it sometime, it's a sight. A big plane like a '52. VRROOM! There's jet exhaust, fryin' chickens in the barnyard.


Stygian_Alchemist #3 Posted 03 September 2019 - 11:46 PM

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T7 sucks. 
T6 is only marginally better.

I'm not saying to dump planes, I'm just agreeing about the state of T7.

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View PostFour_Leaf_Tayback, on 03 September 2019 - 03:08 PM, said:

I have come to a crossroads.  It seems that (and it might just be negative bias) that every time I play a Tier 7 plane, I am up against at least two human Tier 8 planes with maybe one other Tier 7 plane on my side.  Maybe, one other Tier 8 on my side, but usually a multi-role or just otherwise incompetent plane.  

 

I do complete the battles, but it is appearing more and more futile to play a Tier 7 plane.  Maybe it's just me, maybe it's the MM being inept.  

 

In any case, I usually have a lot of hangar space but recently I am getting short on space.  Thinking of ditching this tier with exception for the premiums and where I am still grinding.  

 

Is it just me, or is this a cursed tier?

 

That's a GREAT IDEA!!  

 

Just box them all up and send them to ... 

 

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Four_Leaf_Tayback #5 Posted 04 September 2019 - 01:13 AM

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Well... a long time ago I advocated for a "mothball hangar" where you could put planes into stasis and pull them back out for a cost of silver.  Just not quite as much silver as if you sold it and then repurchased it.  

 

Idea was stomped on by the community.  At the time, I just wanted to simplify my hangar.  Still do, as a matter of fact.  

 

Anyway, I know I could just NOT PLAY Tier 7, but when I see a plane sitting there, I just have to play it.  Especially when spamming daily missions.  


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View PostFour_Leaf_Tayback, on 03 September 2019 - 07:13 PM, said:

Well... a long time ago I advocated for a "mothball hangar" where you could put planes into stasis and pull them back out for a cost of silver.  Just not quite as much silver as if you sold it and then repurchased it.  

 

Idea was stomped on by the community.  At the time, I just wanted to simplify my hangar.  Still do, as a matter of fact.  

 

Anyway, I know I could just NOT PLAY Tier 7, but when I see a plane sitting there, I just have to play it.  Especially when spamming daily missions.  

Same. This is why I have, by the way, sold all my T7s except the two Premiums I own at the tier. Both of which are heavy fighters and ergo suffer less from T7-itis.



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Tier 4 and Tier 7 have always been the "bump" tiers where you're often faced up against airplanes you practically have no chance against because of the sudden overall jump in performance. There are only a few tier 7s that remain competitive at tier 8 just like there are very few tier 4s that can match up against a tier 5.

 

Tier 6 is probably the most balanced tier in the game - your performance is mostly incrementally superior or inferior both ways so you're not overpowered against a tier 5 but not uncompetitive against a tier 7.

 

Tier 9 is a mini bump owing to the arrival of the high tier bombers. 

 

Anyway, its not just you. Tier 7 has always been brutal where you play meta or die. I still have a whole load of tier 7s though oddly enough. The Hornet and I-220 are competitive against tier 8s, the Dora is mostly sentimental, the P-51K can hold its own as can the J4M


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pyantoryng #8 Posted 04 September 2019 - 02:22 AM

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I still keep my IL-10 and still use it for mid tier ground attack missions along with other choices. The other choices in GAAs aren't very attractive in this particular tier range to me.

 

...and Yak-3RD is my go-to fighter for period II, but that's a premium, and good tier 7 seems to be mostly premium...but then again I haven't play much T7 outside these two...



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I have 274 planes.  251 of which never fly.  They just sit there, not consuming resources.  I don't consider hangar slots to be resources especially with how generous the game has been with them lately.

 

As far as the higher tier/lower tier battles go, it does seem to even out at 50/50 over time.  At least whenever I get so exasperated that I track the ratio with paper and pencil.  By exasperated I mean when I get a bunch of battles in a row where I am lower tier.  I don't know why the game doesn't have same tier battles more often.  It doesn't make sense.


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wylleEcoyote #10 Posted 04 September 2019 - 07:40 AM

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Teir 7 is a special case. Thanks to tier 8 premiums; there are enough tier 8s getting played by the population that they are kind of everywhere.
And it will not get any better. (see what happened to WoT). Which sucks for tier 7.  And at the same time is great for tier 9

But some planes do better in that environment than others
Fw 190 D(ora) does have it rough.  It's hard enough sharing an airspace with Corsairs or Typhoons.
That it also has to deal with Vampires (which are just faster and more agile by far) is not at all fun.

On the other hand, the Me 265 is (imho) the best tier 5-7 token grinder for ground attack stuff.
And somehow doesnt mind sharing the sky with vampires, rb17's, or any one of a number of tier 8 german premium heavies

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GonerNL #11 Posted 04 September 2019 - 07:50 AM

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I would never sell tier VII planes like Ki-84, Spit IX, Yak-3, P-51D, 109 Z ... they're a match for most tier VIII planes.

 

If I don't really like a plane I put the pilot in another plane (or you could send him to barracks), then the plane is effectively mothballed until you want to try it again. Happened to me with the F7F and  I-220.

 


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losttwo #12 Posted 04 September 2019 - 07:59 AM

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No do not get rid of your tier 7's.

They are great teaching tools to learn how to take on tier 8's and get you ready for the higher tiers.

Other than the Gloster Meteor F1 The tier 7's really should be played in a more defensive and cautious way.

Personally I use mostly premiums on the tier 7 scale. Stay outside the massive circle of reds with a more

avoid the furball kind of flying style.

If you are ever in a match against me you will usually find me in an empty sector away from the fray,

Unless of course I have 5 + bots in the sector I can clear their tails.

 

Tier 7's are tough but do-able.



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Never sell a plane don t care what it is Don t sell it

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it was fun when we were all flying T7s in the Sat Nite Live training rooms...  so we'll do it again this weekend!

No downtiering, just go-at-each-other fun.    

Some folks might not have a T7...  maybe fly a T6 and add a veteran T7 bot of the same class, to hit F7 as a wingman?
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My T7s include:

 

B-32

Yak-3RD

Tu-1

FW-190D

Yak-9U

Ki-84

Bf-109G

Typhoon

Bf-109Z

 

and I try and play them all from time to time.  I have fallen in love with the Zwilling, having torched a flighted pair of specialist XP-58s the other day.  It flies like a dream, and the 4x20mm gun set up is BRUTAL.  It is my current go-to T7 plane.  It suffers some being downtiered, but not enough for me to rage-quit the whole tier.  The Yak-3RD is absolutely hilarious.  Sinfully fun. The Tu-1 is ridiculous in how those 45s derp all the things.



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View PostFour_Leaf_Tayback, on 03 September 2019 - 06:08 PM, said:

I have come to a crossroads.  It seems that (and it might just be negative bias) that every time I play a Tier 7 plane, I am up against at least two human Tier 8 planes with maybe one other Tier 7 plane on my side.  Maybe, one other Tier 8 on my side, but usually a multi-role or just otherwise incompetent plane.  

 

I do complete the battles, but it is appearing more and more futile to play a Tier 7 plane.  Maybe it's just me, maybe it's the MM being inept.  

 

In any case, I usually have a lot of hangar space but recently I am getting short on space.  Thinking of ditching this tier with exception for the premiums and where I am still grinding.  

 

Is it just me, or is this a cursed tier?

 

 

No. If you aren't dying for hangar slots then keep everything. It may be a cursed tier now but 2 months from now everything could be different.  :) 


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losttwo #17 Posted 04 September 2019 - 08:33 PM

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and to add: Once you start flying tier 8,9 and 10

Tier 7 planes will fly completely different and you will do better in them.

My go to tiers are 4,7and 10( tier8 premiums )



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View PostCorvusCorvax, on 04 September 2019 - 10:25 AM, said:

My T7s include:

 

B-32

Yak-3RD

Tu-1

FW-190D

Yak-9U

Ki-84

Bf-109G

Typhoon

Bf-109Z

 

and I try and play them all from time to time.  I have fallen in love with the Zwilling, having torched a flighted pair of specialist XP-58s the other day.  It flies like a dream, and the 4x20mm gun set up is BRUTAL.  It is my current go-to T7 plane.  It suffers some being downtiered, but not enough for me to rage-quit the whole tier.  The Yak-3RD is absolutely hilarious.  Sinfully fun. The Tu-1 is ridiculous in how those 45s derp all the things.

 

My T7's include ...

... ... ... ... ... 

 

Ok, I don't actually have any.  But I'm expecting my package from Four Leaf Tayback will take care of that when it ARRIVES!!!!  YAY!!

 

What do you mean it doesn't work that way.  He WANTS to get rid of them and ... ... .  CRUD, that is TOTALLY UNFAIR!!!! :( 

 

Nevermind, nothing to see here, just move along. :P


Edited by BB3_Oregon_Steel, 04 September 2019 - 09:24 PM.

"Don't mess with me because I can squish you like a bug, that is If I should decide to notice your existence in the first place".  

 

Yes, it's haughty and its arrogant but you're a battleship with 16 inch guns and Britannia Rules the Waves.  Maybe a bit of arrogance in this case is appropriate.  


Four_Leaf_Tayback #19 Posted 04 September 2019 - 09:51 PM

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I'll put them into an escrow account in case I get hit by a bus or win the lottery.  
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View PostSpiritFoxMY, on 04 September 2019 - 02:52 AM, said:

Tier 4 and Tier 7 have always been the "bump" tiers where you're often faced up against airplanes you practically have no chance against because of the sudden overall jump in performance. 

 

I'm seeing that more & more ... must be Karma.

And not only on 4 and 7 ; had to get some points for mission, so took out my little tier III Japs, Ki-27 and Ki-18 (2 x mg's) and I end up against Bf 110 C6 (30mm) and Hurricanes (8 mg's) ... you're not just toast, you're bread crumbs :-(

I hate those split tiers, enemy higher tiers kill you and your friendly higher tiers outscore you. No gain ...

 

 


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