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hoom #1 Posted 29 August 2019 - 11:29 AM

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So with my more recent improving knowledge of the Equipment/Enhance & Calibrate system I've been going through a bunch of my favourites, re-building &/or optimising.

 

A bunch of these have borne really great fruit, turning already excellent planes into just amazing beasts, often faster & sturdier with better or equal turning to my previous setups.

 

 

I'm working on La-5 now, its been one of my all time favourite planes in the game but I haven't really played it much recently and I'm having a hard time finding something that feels right, looking for suggestions?

 

It also represents a similar quandry I have for a bunch of other planes with similar slot layout.

 

I had a setup with:

Ultimate Polished Skin + Lightweight Wing Frame + Uprated Engine, Improved Mixture Control consumable, 9pt pilot with both Engine Gurus, Aerodynamics and Acrobatics Expert.

Gives 566km/h cruise speed, 649km/h boost & 8.9s turn time.

 

So I figured I'd go for something like the Boost build I've been using successfully on other planes:

Switch the consumable to Engine Cooling, switch Uprated Engine for an Advanced Boost Mixture Injection (not enough resources to go for Ultimate yet)

Switched the Polished Skin for an Ultimate Reinforced Airframe since I want to reduce the negative on my turn & La-5 with Lightweight Wing has really excess roll so the roll penalty should be minimal effect & the extra hitpoints can only be a positive.

 

This did improve my sprint to 701km/h and with the Engine Cooling it can sustain high 600s for a cap transition but the Cruise speed dropped a lot to 416km/h, at first I thought that might be good since the previous Cruise was above the upper Optimum but aside from the sprints its felt a lot harder to get into/remain in range of a lot of enemies.

The replacement of Polished Skin didn't actually have nearly as big impact on turning as I'd expected with only a 0.1s improvement from 8.9 to 8.8.

 

So I put the Uprated Engine back in, it brings Cruise speed back up to 470km/h but drops the sprint to 649km/h.

And it still doesn't feel great.

 

At something of a loss now.

Maybe Polished Skin to keep Cruise up & Boost Injection, maintaining Lightweight Wingframe for agility?


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hoom #2 Posted 29 August 2019 - 12:03 PM

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Well hmm that might have been a bit of a short quandry...

I actually just tried that last idea & I think it might be what I'm going to stick with.

 

I get a more useful 504km/h Cruise speed, 713km/h Boost (gained extra 1% top speed with Boost from Rebuild) & still 8.9s turn time.

Its feeling more like the comfortable medium of my memories and with significantly better cap transition speed.


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desert786 #3 Posted 29 August 2019 - 09:43 PM

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a good La-5 build is the sell button.

qu33kKC #4 Posted 29 August 2019 - 11:37 PM

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ok, that's just a troll.

 

not helpful, m8.



hoom #5 Posted 29 August 2019 - 11:38 PM

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You're just a font of info aren't you? :unsure:

Do you do drunk fly-by posts or just when you forgot to take the meds?


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desert786 #6 Posted 30 August 2019 - 12:31 AM

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the La's r wonky, the "only" advantage the lower tier ones have is good firepower. your build gives up accuracy, which to all intents and purpose is dmg. you give up your planes "strength" for full speed. i feels thats a poor choice.  your build while interesting doesn't really out perform the "better" aircraft at that tier. you would be better off putting all that equipment on a spit DB. then there are the HF's. its just not a strong plane.

hoom #7 Posted 30 August 2019 - 02:55 AM

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The stuff might be better off in Spit DB yes but I'm working on my La-5 right now, its a Wonky that I like & I appreciate the historical aspect of it, not everyone wants to just spam the current meta/'best' planes.

(Spit DB is in my todo list so I would be interested to know your opinion of a good build for that, it has the same 2* airframe, 1* engine slot conundrum)

 

For many people La line are not turny enough to fight a turn fighter and not fast enough to fight an energy fighter -> horrid, I get that & thats fine, not trying to convert you.

 

But I see it the other way: (in the general non-specialist, basic equipment case) turns better than an energy fighter & sprints fast enough to stay in range long enough to kill or cripple, turns well enough to keep turnfighters in target long enough to kill or cripple & reasonable chance to sprint away if fails to kill on first pass.

 

I didn't mention I have an Ultimate Gunsight, I don't see any reason to go with Cockpit Armor instead.

There is very little dispersion, +10% fire, +10% crits & +5% accuracy vs manoeuvring targets so I don't agree that I'm significantly giving up firepower.

I know lots of top players swear by spending first 5pts on both Marksmen but my experience with Marksmen builds is that for most planes the higher urgency is getting guns on target/in range in the first place.

 

I'm not claiming this is a best build or anything, I made the thread specifically asking for help because I've tried several builds and hadn't found something that feels right, am willing to entertain any constructive suggestions.

I have played a few more battles with it though & I'm feeling like its going to be hard to improve on.


Edited by hoom, 30 August 2019 - 02:56 AM.

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desert786 #8 Posted 30 August 2019 - 03:40 AM

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View Posthoom, on 29 August 2019 - 06:55 PM, said:

 

I know lots of top players swear by spending first 5pts on both Marksmen but my experience with Marksmen builds is that for most planes the higher urgency is getting guns on target/in range in the first place.

as one of those top players. yes MM 1&2 are pretty much the most valuable skill after Aerodynamic expert. getting to target is more of a player controlled issue. more dmg, mean faster kills, this lets you engage the next target quicker.

 

the La line is weird, but it pays off in the end the La 15 is amazing when speced. it top speed is 1000kph with good alt, a sub 8.5 turn time and great guns with long heat cycles.



hoom #9 Posted 30 August 2019 - 04:40 AM

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Yes I am well aware you're one of those top players.

 

Love the La-15 :)

I've only got a half-assed Improved level build on it so-far, very non-optimal bonuses & probably not the best Equipment choices in the current era of XF-90 Specialist builds & T10 Bombers.

Gunsight, Lightweight Wingframe, Polished Skin, Lightweight Power Unit & Uprated Engine.

 


Edited by hoom, 30 August 2019 - 04:43 AM.

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have you tried using LEGO's

hoom #11 Posted 31 August 2019 - 02:36 AM

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Did I actually post something inane/stupid that invites the troll posts? :unsure:

 

Anyway I don't think Legoboy has actually reached T6 yet...


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hoom #12 Posted 03 September 2019 - 05:03 AM

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I moved the Spit DB into my rotation to get it Specialised.

Not had a good start with it.

 

5 straight losses constantly getting tag-teamed by player-bot combos, nearly impossible to even flip a cap, hard time breaking over 10k pp.

Played one in La-5: 15k pp, effortlessly soloed several caps even against multiple players.

 

I did have just my old typical basic build: Improved Gunsight, Lightweight Wingframe & Uprated Engine, so 8s turn time but just not vaguely quick.

 

Seeing the La-5 build seems to be working OK & I hate an overly slow turnfighter I put a spare Ultimate Polished Skin on instead of the Lightweight Wingframe, also upgraded to a spare Ultimate Uprated Engine (started working up a new Boost Mixture Injection but its not ready).

 

Its certainly feeling better, though with only the one Airframe slot the turn time is up a bit to 8.7 from stock 8.6s.

Still a pretty comfortable turn rate vs most enemies & I'll be able to add the Lightweight Wingframe back in once I get Specialised, or if this build doesn't work out with more battles.


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GonerNL #13 Posted 04 September 2019 - 02:36 PM

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It's a nice line.

I specced the La-5, got the La-7 and just now the La-9 ... I'll have a look at the builds, probably maneuverability (I'm a sucker for that). I can not turn with the Spits and Zeros, but it can handle the Messers and Mustangs.


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View Posthoom, on 31 August 2019 - 02:36 AM, said:

Did I actually post something inane/stupid that invites the troll posts?

When has the content of the posting ever mattered to the trolls?  ;)



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View PostGonerNL, on 05 September 2019 - 02:36 AM, said:

It's a nice line.

I specced the La-5, got the La-7 and just now the La-9 ... I'll have a look at the builds, probably maneuverability (I'm a sucker for that). I can not turn with the Spits and Zeros, but it can handle the Messers and Mustangs.

I really like/ed the La-9, was one of my most flown planes for a long time.

I haven't got round to a new optimisation of it yet & not flown much recently.

 

Didn't have a good time with the La-7 but that was a really long time back, have been kinda thinking of seeing how it goes these days.

 

 

Still not having a great time with Spit DB, even ran into a decently flown La-5 and he kicked my [edited] :facepalm:


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hoom, I'm somewhat surprised.  The Spit DB is a great plane from what I've experienced.  I love the extra altitude over the Spits, and you can use the vertical quite well.  As long as I keep my cannons from overheating and my lead dialed it, it's a dangerous bird.  (Admittedly, I'm not a great TnB, but I do pretty well in the Spit DB.  I also don't fly the Soviet tech tree at all.)

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Spit DB did get tolerable, even pretty good once I got it Specialised with bonuses kicking in & the extra Airframe slot bringing up agility with Lightweight Airframe but I'll still rather fly my La-5.

 

Still interested to know what kind of builds other people use on either plane :unsure:


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I actually dislike the Spit DB myself. Its too slow and lacks the overwhelming firepower of the tier 6 meta which is actually very strongly in favor of high speed mid-to-high altitude hit and run (Corsair, A5, Ki-102, Me410, Mosquito, Tornado...). The Spitfires just get left in the dust at this tier, let alone a slower one. The La-5 suffers a similar fate of being too slow and low alt to do much against the meta and its only saving grace vs. the Spitfire is superior mid range firepower.

 

My La and Spit DB were quite standard turny builds with focus on LWF/LPU and Gunsight. I never specialized either despite toying with the idea back when I thought I might need a turny plane for tier 6. In the end, I decided that my A5/Ki-102 are quite enough to deal with anything they come across at that tier.


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