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CorvusCorvax #41 Posted 26 August 2019 - 02:51 AM

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View PostwylleEcoyote, on 26 August 2019 - 12:19 AM, said:



 to styg and corvus: Throttle back on the personal attacks.



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I'm not sure what you're reading.  I have made NO personal attacks here at all - zero.  Nor have I offered any kind of stats other than an estimated win rate for the flighted style I use, not which is "better."  I object to your characterizations.

Other than that, your comments have value as a summary of the different style of flights.



Stygian_Alchemist #42 Posted 26 August 2019 - 03:36 AM

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View PostwylleEcoyote, on 25 August 2019 - 08:15 PM, said:


I see what you are getting at. 
There is a lot to keep track of, anticipate, and do something about on the map when you fly alone.
From that point of view a "Great" Wing man is some that you can say "i have the left half of the map you take the right half of the map" and not have to worry about them screwing it up for you. Allowing you to devote all your attention to only half as much battle.

I have avoided that 'travel time between nodes' topic because the value of any opinion is entirely dependant to the vehicle in question. Good advice for managing Spitfire Travel time is bad advice for a P-38 and vice versa.

I wanted to speak in general terms. To avoid writing a novella. Or for that matter making other's break their scroll wheel reading it.
 

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This is what I was trying to articulate ultimately. A.) I often flight in such a way that we bring two entirely different planes to the table and each of us takes half the map. Meaning they either have to split up to deal with us and that's hard, because who do they send after which? Do your bots cooperate? Or, B.) they can zerg.. but we have one of us capping the other half of the map while they are zerging the one half and being harried half to death by my flightmate or myself whichever they zerg at. Slowing their cap rate to (often slower) at least as slow as one of us solo-capping. Then, as they switch to zerg the other side, whichever one of us just got zerged to death has respawned and now has free reign down that side while the partner harries and selectively fights a defense against the zerg. After a few deaths their zerg breaks up, sually somewhere on the second side. Flightmate dies sometime during that point and respawns, other one zips in behind the zerg of the enemy team and smack smack smack while the respawning flight partner defends and harries.

Assuming they're also running a split flight, then you start scissoring or doing whatever is the opposite of their pattern... and it comes down to individual pilot skill a lot of time. I love those games TBH.

And also, I agree.. this topic is a literal rabbit-hole of heck. Because, as an example.. The F-86. Paired up it is one of the nastier planes I've run across.. solo it's... underwhelming to my view. But two of them flying in tandem can wreck anything. 

It really -is- dependent in general.. I just think splitting up has a lot more benefit. I will caveat that with you must coordinate still, but I had assumed coordinating was assumed in general in the premise of the question so that may have been my fault there as well.

Editing to add: I agree with Captain below. A dissection and discussion of class pairing concepts and specific plane combinations across multiple threads would be nice. Maybe drop one a week sort of thing?


Edited by Stygian_Alchemist, 26 August 2019 - 04:08 AM.


Captain_Underpants53 #43 Posted 26 August 2019 - 03:45 AM

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View PostwylleEcoyote, on 25 August 2019 - 09:15 PM, said:


I see what you are getting at. 
There is a lot to keep track of, anticipate, and do something about on the map when you fly alone.
From that point of view a "Great" Wing man is some that you can say "i have the left half of the map you take the right half of the map" and not have to worry about them screwing it up for you. Allowing you to devote all your attention to only half as much battle.

I have avoided that 'travel time between nodes' topic because the value of any opinion is entirely dependant to the vehicle in question. Good advice for managing Spitfire Travel time is bad advice for a P-38 and vice versa.

I wanted to speak in general terms. To avoid writing a novella. Or for that matter making other's break their scroll wheel reading it.
 

Spoiler



 

And I, for one, would like to see it.

 

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wylleEcoyote #44 Posted 29 August 2019 - 12:35 AM

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No. I would rather play the game and get even better. Then spend my spare time for the next year+ or so writing about what "I think" I know about this game for free.
 I would have to be doing that full time (maybe you would see me do this with my spare time if had some sort of pension or UBI to fall back on)

There are already something like 4 or 5 streamers and makers of YT vids for this game that do sorta the same thing.
Most of them overlap a bit as is and have only a few hundred subs each.
Even if i somehow convinced them to join up into one  WarPlanes Community Contributor channel (and thus share the money)
 
... making a living on YT is work.


All that for maybe 3-4 thousand people? At least based on combined NA EU RU server populations. 
If some how at the most unrealistic of expectaions came true and all of them were on a $5 Patreon membership that is still only 15k to 20k dollars a month split between 10+ people
And for production values that would be less than what WeeGee puts out every month or so ...

Fair warning. My success rate at speculative guesswork is very hit or miss. Usually I start on the right track and then a make a weird left turn and get lost in the weeds ... 
And yet it doesn't stop me from speculation.
Specialist Planes i have:
USA: XP-31, Model 81A-1, P-40, P-51A, P-39N-1, XF15C,
F11C-2, F4F, P-47B,

P-38 F/J,  XP-58 

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Ace_BOTlistic_Cosmo #45 Posted 29 August 2019 - 01:12 AM

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View PostwylleEcoyote, on 28 August 2019 - 07:35 PM, said:

No. I would rather play the game and get even better. Then spend my spare time for the next year+ or so writing about what "I think" I know about this game for free.
 I would have to be doing that full time (maybe you would see me do this with my spare time if had some sort of pension or UBI to fall back on)

There are already something like 4 or 5 streamers and makers of YT vids for this game that do sorta the same thing.
Most of them overlap a bit as is and have only a few hundred subs each.
Even if i somehow convinced them to join up into one  WarPlanes Community Contributor channel (and thus share the money)
 
... making a living on YT is work.


All that for maybe 3-4 thousand people? At least based on combined NA EU RU server populations. 
If some how at the most unrealistic of expectaions came true and all of them were on a $5 Patreon membership that is still only 15k to 20k dollars a month split between 10+ people
And for production values that would be less than what WeeGee puts out every month or so ...

you possess such insight

but with that insight you should not inflict reality on those not ready

 


if the pilot's good, see, I mean, if he's really..sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low [he spreads his arms like wings and laughs],

you oughtta see it sometime, it's a sight. A big plane like a '52. VRROOM! There's jet exhaust, fryin' chickens in the barnyard.





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