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SkyWolf__WM #1 Posted 19 August 2019 - 12:56 PM

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1. Don't be in too much of a hurry to climb tiers. The addition of the verticle makes this different from tanks or ships. Learn the game in tiers 1-2-3 first. You will have more fun and win more.

 

2. Buying a higher tier premium doesn't help you when you only have 63 battles. Especially a bad one. If you must buy a plane get the P.38 Wilk or whatever.  You just meet more experienced pilots who will hand you your hat. But the P.38 is forgiving and quite the bad-fanny plane.

 

There are some new folks that do ok in higher tiers but you probably won't be one of them. Start at the bottom and have some fun learning. There are some stat padders who

should not be flying lower tiers. But WG makes it hard to resist with cool aircraft giveaways like the BKwhatever it is. 

 

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:medal:   Good advice.  I would add that learn the role of the plane you are flying.  In other words, I don't care what tier you fly, that light fighter does not do well against ground targets, no matter what guns it has.

 

BTW, any newcomers who actually take the time and have the interest to read the forums is already a couple of steps ahead of those who don't.


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View PostCaptain_Underpants53, on 19 August 2019 - 01:09 PM, said:

:medal:   Good advice.  I would add that learn the role of the plane you are flying.  In other words, I don't care what tier you fly, that light fighter does not do well against ground targets, no matter what guns it has.

 

BTW, any newcomers who actually take the time and have the interest to read the forums is already a couple of steps ahead of those who don't.


I can think of a couple of high-tier LFs that can do work against ground targets.  But even so, they aren't the best choice for that.  By the time you get to Tier IX or X, you should know how to fly and fight.

 

I will be honest - when I got the Gobling, I had no clue how fast Tier IX would be.  Everything happens RIGHT NOW, and you have to plan and think ahead.  The bots are smarter, the players are veterans, and you have to know what planes can (and cannot) do what, and where to go, when.

 

Even an all-bot match is not a slam dunk.  Had one of those last night, at T9.  My bots were pathetic, and the red bots were on fire.  It was a very narrow loss, but would have been a stomp if I hadn't have been in the right places at the right times to prevent red caps.

 

Those are things you do not learn without experience.  How the map is laid out, what ADA will, and won't do, how much bot control you have.  These are things you learn along the way, and stuff happens slower in the low tiers, so yo have time to think about what your next move is.



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The not rushing up tiers is such excellent advice.  In my EU account pre 2.0, I did just that.  I had just about every tech tree plane but had little expertise in any of them.  I knew how to B&Z, T&B, how to speed up turns, but had I taken my time I would have done a lot better and had more enjoyment and a LOT LESS frustration with the game.  I would have gotten the pure experience you have to have to be a really good pilot.  In this game, even the cartoon pac man version, experiential knowledge is necessary for almost all of us, to excel.

 

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View PostSkyWolf__WM, on 19 August 2019 - 04:56 AM, said:

1. Don't be in too much of a hurry to climb tiers. The addition of the verticle makes this different from tanks or ships. Learn the game in tiers 1-2-3 first. You will have more fun and win more.

 

2. Buying a higher tier premium doesn't help you when you only have 63 battles. Especially a bad one. If you must buy a plane get the P.38 Wilk or whatever.  You just meet more experienced pilots who will hand you your hat. But the P.38 is forgiving and quite the bad-fanny plane.

 

There are some new folks that do ok in higher tiers but you probably won't be one of them. Start at the bottom and have some fun learning. There are some stat padders who

should not be flying lower tiers. But WG makes it hard to resist with cool aircraft giveaways like the BKwhatever it is. 

 

:honoring:

 

Well this is not a phenomena unique to planes, it happens all the time in ships especially in competitive modes.  A wallet warrior need to have T8 ship to compete in Ranked Battles but the best they have is a T2, so they go off and buy the Tirpitz or the Alabama and presto, they are a Ranked warrior, but one without the first clue as to how to fight their ship.  

 

It's just good advice regardless of the game you are playing in that game has a tiered progression system in place.  It's there for a reason and players should use it rather than attempting to bypass it.  


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View PostSkyWolf__WM, on 19 August 2019 - 07:56 AM, said:

1. Don't be in too much of a hurry to climb tiers. The addition of the verticle makes this different from tanks or ships. Learn the game in tiers 1-2-3 first. You will have more fun and win more.

 

2. Buying a higher tier premium doesn't help you when you only have 63 battles. Especially a bad one. If you must buy a plane get the P.38 Wilk or whatever.  You just meet more experienced pilots who will hand you your hat. But the P.38 is forgiving and quite the bad-fanny plane.

 

There are some new folks that do ok in higher tiers but you probably won't be one of them. Start at the bottom and have some fun learning. There are some stat padders who

should not be flying lower tiers. But WG makes it hard to resist with cool aircraft giveaways like the BKwhatever it is. 

 

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qu33kKC #7 Posted 19 August 2019 - 09:47 PM

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Sky_Wolf, excellent post.

 

I think I ran into such a pilot a weekend back, poor sod in a P-80A that did not have clue #1.  845 Points at the end of the battle, or something like that.  Thank DOG he was on the red team!  (honorabili may have gotten him in a game this past weekend.)



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one thing i think would be good is if some of the vets help the new people so they can get better faster if they want help that is 

i help a few with basic  stuff but i know that there are vets of this game that know what is the best parts or set ups to  put on a plane

i be interested in see what skill people think a pilot should start of with on say a fighter heavy fighter  ga  or bomber

i have my ideas but i know they  are not the best for Evey plane..  i try to get better at set up my higher tier planes 

with the right skills and gear .. but know there are so many new parts it  hard  to tell witch ones are good for what plane like the new suit for the pilot what plane is that one good for 


Edited by sandtiger, 19 August 2019 - 11:40 PM.


Four_Leaf_Tayback #9 Posted 20 August 2019 - 01:07 AM

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I would love to teach newbies my skills.

 

Unfortunately, it would be lessons like: 

 

1) Dive into a contested capture point in order to die fast and hard 

2) Give up caps by getting killed in futile 1 on 7 battles

3) The ground is a great way to respawn

4) Turning in a heavy fighter is a great way to die, but do it with dignity

5) Trust your bots when attacking a contested capture point.  They will die in a semi-religious fervor in order to give the enemy the advantage

6) The center airbase is your friend, constantly attack it with no regard for any other capture point

7) Your human teammates suck, unless they don't 

8) Kill planes outside of capture points for fun and profit

9) Play Spitfires so the community respects you

 

...More to come???


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View PostFour_Leaf_Tayback, on 19 August 2019 - 07:07 PM, said:

I would love to teach newbies my skills.

 

Unfortunately, it would be lessons like: 

 

1) Dive into a contested capture point in order to die fast and hard 

2) Give up caps by getting killed in futile 1 on 7 battles

3) The ground is a great way to respawn

4) Turning in a heavy fighter is a great way to die, but do it with dignity

5) Trust your bots when attacking a contested capture point.  They will die in a semi-religious fervor in order to give the enemy the advantage

6) The center airbase is your friend, constantly attack it with no regard for any other capture point

7) Your human teammates suck, unless they don't 

8) Kill planes outside of capture points for fun and profit

9) Play Spitfires so the community respects you

 

...More to come???

 

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View PostFour_Leaf_Tayback, on 19 August 2019 - 08:07 PM, said:

I would love to teach newbies my skills.

 

Unfortunately, it would be lessons like: 

 

1) Dive into a contested capture point in order to die fast and hard 

2) Give up caps by getting killed in futile 1 on 7 battles

3) The ground is a great way to respawn

4) Turning in a heavy fighter is a great way to die, but do it with dignity

5) Trust your bots when attacking a contested capture point.  They will die in a semi-religious fervor in order to give the enemy the advantage

6) The center airbase is your friend, constantly attack it with no regard for any other capture point

7) Your human teammates suck, unless they don't 

8) Kill planes outside of capture points for fun and profit

9) Play Spitfires so the community respects you

 

...More to come???


+1 for the funny

 

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View PostFour_Leaf_Tayback, on 19 August 2019 - 08:07 PM, said:

I would love to teach newbies my skills.

 

Unfortunately, it would be lessons like: 

 

1) Dive into a contested capture point in order to die fast and hard 

2) Give up caps by getting killed in futile 1 on 7 battles

3) The ground is a great way to respawn

4) Turning in a heavy fighter is a great way to die, but do it with dignity

5) Trust your bots when attacking a contested capture point.  They will die in a semi-religious fervor in order to give the enemy the advantage

6) The center airbase is your friend, constantly attack it with no regard for any other capture point

7) Your human teammates suck, unless they don't 

8) Kill planes outside of capture points for fun and profit

9) Play Spitfires so the community respects you

 

...More to come???

 

Most days after a battle, I look at the humans and if I see someone in a Tier 8 premium Seafang hitting ground targets or a P-47N with 67 battles and a 30% win rate I try to "nicely" explain things to them and offer some advice/help.

Sometimes they heed my advice, sometimes they ignore me, and sometimes they are nasty and don't like the fact that I tried to give them a heads up. 

Sometimes I am just not in the mood so I just shake my head and move on. I want to help new players enjoy and continue to play the game. I try to encourage them. It isn't easy to do.

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Edited by SkyWolf__WM, 20 August 2019 - 03:00 PM.

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View PostFour_Leaf_Tayback, on 20 August 2019 - 01:07 AM, said:

I would love to teach newbies my skills.

 

Unfortunately, it would be lessons like: 

 

1) Dive into a contested capture point in order to die fast and hard 

2) Give up caps by getting killed in futile 1 on 7 battles

3) The ground is a great way to respawn

4) Turning in a heavy fighter is a great way to die, but do it with dignity

5) Trust your bots when attacking a contested capture point.  They will die in a semi-religious fervor in order to give the enemy the advantage

6) The center airbase is your friend, constantly attack it with no regard for any other capture point

7) Your human teammates suck, unless they don't 

8) Kill planes outside of capture points for fun and profit

9) Play Spitfires so the community respects you

 

...More to come???


100% true.

 

I HATE killing between caps, but why are there always free-roaming red MRFs, not doing anything, except looking for fights between caps?  Funny thing, they ALWAYS seem to be at the top of their yellow altitude, too - like all they have been doing is waiting for me to happen by.  Spend thirty seconds or so dispatching them, spend a good deal of boost in doing so, then have to wait 30 seconds for boost recharge.  A whole minute wasted, for a single shootdown.  And the real suck of it is if you ignore them and just boost away to your target, they'll just tag along until you're tied up fighting another aircraft, then BOOM.  You'd think, after all this time, I could use that behavior to my advantage.  But no - 80% of the time, I fall for it.  :(

 


Edited by CorvusCorvax, 20 August 2019 - 03:20 PM.


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my counter to not climbing tiers is that a significant amount of player seal club in specialized fully upgraded planes, looking at all the Spit 1 drivers. where having a basic understanding of how the game work combined with the advantage of a straight up better aircraft. Make quite a difficult time for the new players to A: learn anything about the game and B: make reasonable progress to getting higher tiers. the low tier MM is also quite bad, the amount of bottom tier game you get is ridiculous. this leads to frustration and the player not wanting to play this game.

 

it sucks to say it, but WeeGee need to do something about tier 1-4 MM and game play to encourage the casual to continue playing. period 1 is just unfun to play atm.
 



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View Postdesert786, on 21 August 2019 - 11:20 PM, said:

my counter to not climbing tiers is that a significant amount of player seal club in specialized fully upgraded planes, looking at all the Spit 1 drivers. where having a basic understanding of how the game work combined with the advantage of a straight up better aircraft. Make quite a difficult time for the new players to A: learn anything about the game and B: make reasonable progress to getting higher tiers. the low tier MM is also quite bad, the amount of bottom tier game you get is ridiculous. this leads to frustration and the player not wanting to play this game.

 

it sucks to say it, but WeeGee need to do something about tier 1-4 MM and game play to encourage the casual to continue playing. period 1 is just unfun to play atm.
 


Spit I drivers are my favorite food.  They forget that some of us can run the Bf-109E, or the P-38F. 

In any case, T1-3 and the brain-dead bots really suck.  Even more, the humans there, even the clubbers, really aren't that good.  If it weren't for tokens, I would never go below T4, and I only do T4 for the He-111 play.  The Bf-109B is straight-up nasty.

 



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Yesterday I even counseled our resident teamkiller and gave him suggestions and explained premium planes to him. 

I save the "don't fight between targets" and the "try not to die over targets" stuff for the 1% who actually get on coms.  :sceptic:


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SkyWolf__WM #17 Posted 22 August 2019 - 10:23 PM

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Today I didn't help anybody because ALL of my battles were with sub 200 game players. Most under 100. I was weary.  :(


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There's one thing I got to wonder since last night...when do players know that planes start to get flaps and what those do...

WoWP makes a great jousting game...especially with the 262 and people busy in furballs...
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View PostCorvusCorvax, on 22 August 2019 - 09:28 AM, said:

Spit I drivers are my favorite food.  They forget that some of us can run the Bf-109E, or the P-38F. 

 

YOUR favourite food. desert is talking about new players who run into these slackers and get their [edited]pounded in and lose all interest in playing because they don't get to learn or even play much. Just die over and over and over to a bunch of unskilled scrubs who just happen to specialise in flying the most noob friendly light fighter in the game.

 

It isn't fun for the new guy and they aren't going to learn anything other than "don't play this game" 


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Yesterday I was in a battle together with (unfortunately) a guy in a Tier VI Premium.  He managed to somehow claw his way to #12.  We lost (duh).  I checked his profile and he had 3 whole battles and a zero % win rate.  Did I mention his Premium was a LF and he spent the whole battle shooting ground targets?  He showed that as his one and only plane.  I know they will never do it because money but I sure wish they would require a certain amount of battles before going beyond Tier IV.  I dread the day when they release Tier IX and X Premiums.

 

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