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no_habla_ingles #1 Posted 16 August 2019 - 02:00 PM

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going to try my luck with the bombers is this a good starting point?

CorvusCorvax #2 Posted 16 August 2019 - 03:15 PM

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In my mind, no - it is an atypical bomber.  If you are going to buy a premium, I'd start with the He-111.  It's a string bomber (multiple bombs per release) that is easy to fly, easy to learn, and gives you an idea of what bombers can and can't do.  It is not fast, but it can go high.

 

The A-26 is FAST.  It can actually be used as a very heavy fighter.  I use it at low altitude more than up high.  It is also a string bomber.

To teach you how to drop big, single bombs, the Blenheim British bomber is good for that.  Both the Blenheim and the He-111 are good starting points.  I do better in the lower tier bombers, but haven't quite gotten the hang of the upper tier ones.  Probably because I need to practice more with the lower tier ones, hmmm?  ;)

The takeaway message here is that the A-26 is sort of it's own thing, and if you buy it, it will teach you how to fly the A-26, and that's about it.



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View PostCorvusCorvax, on 16 August 2019 - 11:15 PM, said:

I do better in the lower tier bombers, but haven't quite gotten the hang of the upper tier ones.  Probably because I need to practice more with the lower tier ones, hmmm?  ;)

 

No. High tier bombers play very differently, especially once you hit tier 9 for the Germans. If you want to learn high tier play, fly high tier bombers. 

 

I do second Corvus' suggestion on picking one of the other premiums to start with if you're serious about trying out bomber gameplay or just getting yourself into the Soviet SB which is only tier 3. The A-26 is a great plane but it isn't representative of bomber gameplay

 

 


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View PostCorvusCorvax, on 16 August 2019 - 10:15 AM, said:

In my mind, no - it is an atypical bomber.  If you are going to buy a premium, I'd start with the He-111.  It's a string bomber (multiple bombs per release) that is easy to fly, easy to learn, and gives you an idea of what bombers can and can't do.  It is not fast, but it can go high.

 

The A-26 is FAST.  It can actually be used as a very heavy fighter.  I use it at low altitude more than up high.  It is also a string bomber.

To teach you how to drop big, single bombs, the Blenheim British bomber is good for that.  Both the Blenheim and the He-111 are good starting points.  I do better in the lower tier bombers, but haven't quite gotten the hang of the upper tier ones.  Probably because I need to practice more with the lower tier ones, hmmm?  ;)

The takeaway message here is that the A-26 is sort of it's own thing, and if you buy it, it will teach you how to fly the A-26, and that's about it.


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What you said.  Best way to learn the basics are those two bombers.


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View PostSpiritFoxMY, on 16 August 2019 - 04:13 PM, said:

 

No. High tier bombers play very differently, especially once you hit tier 9 for the Germans. If you want to learn high tier play, fly high tier bombers. 

 

Well, poop.  I am playing the Ju-288C and am having mixed luck with it (non-specialized)  I need to do better with the bomb release timing and the whole "slow down to release" thing.  Also, the big cross on the bombsight is NOT where the dang bomb will hit.  My Su-10 is gathering dust, because I am complete crap with it, so far.  Good for token missions, but I'm not going to carry anybody in it.  I actually do OK in my Pe-2.  Not great, but at least I'm not embarrassing myself.



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This is not the first thread I have seen mention of the bomb sight is not accurate.  I have only played the Blenheim and just recently unlocked the TU-10 Soviet tier 8 so my experience is with bombers that only drop one bomb at a time.  Is the bomb sight accuracy comment referring to all bombers or is it referring to a specific type of bomber?  I tend to struggle some when I play bombers, but that is usually do to too much unwanted attention.  Maybe my bombs are not connecting as well as they should with the target, but I typically drop and start concentrating on next target and have never really paid attention on where they land.  I have always trusted the bomb sight but now I am having second thoughts.

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The Su-10 does not seem to live up to its paper stats.  Turrets aren't as lethal as you would expect.  8 - 500 lb bombs don't do as much damage as you would expect.  An under achiever, I guess.

 

Back to the !-26B, it is unique.  Of the 23 bombers currently available, it is the only one exempt from the speed penalty they inflicted at low alt levels. Since its bombs are weak for tier, that gives you a hint of how you should best play it.  Low and fast.  Luckily they left that nice quick reload.

 

If shooting down other planes is something you want to do it is probably the best at it.  Not as good as it was when the top turret would swing forwards to add 2 more 50 cals to the fight, but still good.  The trouble with this is it is still classed as a bomber.  Aerial target kills do not score as many points as just bombing does.   However, you can flip a cap by yourself by shooting down planes.  In that respect, it is the only bomber that can reliably cap an airbase by itself using a combo of bombs and plane kills.


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View PostDeciballistic, on 16 August 2019 - 12:17 PM, said:

This is not the first thread I have seen mention of the bomb sight is not accurate.  I have only played the Blenheim and just recently unlocked the TU-10 Soviet tier 8 so my experience is with bombers that only drop one bomb at a time.  Is the bomb sight accuracy comment referring to all bombers or is it referring to a specific type of bomber?  I tend to struggle some when I play bombers, but that is usually do to too much unwanted attention.  Maybe my bombs are not connecting as well as they should with the target, but I typically drop and start concentrating on next target and have never really paid attention on where they land.  I have always trusted the bomb sight but now I am having second thoughts.

I try to watch and see where my first few bombs are going.  Missing widely?  Go lower.  Spot on?  Maybe a bit higher in altitude.  It's a balance between reliable bomb kills and enough altitude to discourage every Bot, [edited], and Harry from bothering you.  Just keep in mind that you are not going to get higher than that heavy fighter who wants a piece of you and you can completely render yourself irrelevant in the battle by being too high.

 

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View Postno_habla_ingles, on 16 August 2019 - 09:00 AM, said:

going to try my luck with the bombers is this a good starting point?

 

No. It's not even a good place to start if you already know how to bomb. If you must buy a premium then the He-111 is much better. But you can learn to bomb in a non-premium aircraft.  :unsure:


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The only bomber I've found whose skills translate to -most- other bombers is the RB-17. Pricey to get started in bombers though.

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Bomber game play is an revolving sort of thing as you climb the german and russian tech trees. while america is its own sort of thing. 
Starting with Russian bombers at low tiers:
you have airplanes that are fast especially in a dive. Protected by average defensive guns.
Not always carrying alot of bombs at any one time but they hit hard and refresh quickly. Which is good because they arent the most accurate either.
None of this is particularly bad though.  As a general rule for all bombers the further away from the target you get; the wider your dispersion is. 
So in a russian bomber you can easily fly high enough that multiroles have a difficult time climbing up to kill you. This makes you safe from damage but rng makes you ineffective in bombing.
So when you are close to target zone you go into a dive. yes this is bad because now everyone can shoot you down. But you have good energy retention and can fly so fast they really cant catch you.  Drop the bombs from low enough altitude that you dont miss in the dive (or just as you level off)  then convert that built up speed into altitude as you pull away. 

Yes heavies can chase you through this but your guns actually hurt when you use them (and they only get better as the tiers go up)
as you progress in tiers the altitude you can release your bombs and still be accurate get higher and higher.
Eventually you are flying in a bomber that can drop many strong bombs from a great height while your tail gunner can shoot heavies in the face with 20mm cannons from a kilometer away. And be extra trolly about that because you are either as fast as those heavies or you can fly higher than them and still be manuverable. or some combination of the two.

THe German tech tree is the reverse. Fast very high flying bombers with surprising bomb accuracy. with an average reload at best.
Because at low tiers you cant miss when you drop 4x 50 kg bombs at once. At mid tiers you use big fat 250 kg bombs that reload faster or you get more of them until you get to high tiers where you get to drop  4 very large 1000 kg bombs that are not nearly as accurate (but with a blast zone bigger than a soccer field who cares?)  

useless tailguns designed to dispense enough crits to make life difficult for what is chasing them without actually killing them. As the bomber climbs too high to be chased.
Good luck getting specialist.
(unless its an american heavy.  there is no escape. but lucky you their guns are shortranged so you can sometimes out run them)

SImilar bomber playstyle in that you fly low enough to reliably hit things. The difference with germans being that "low enough to not miss what you aim for" is still almost twice as high as a russian bomber.
It is high enough to be untouchable. unless its a heavy or a high altitude light fighter.  and if your "safe altitude" is safe from everything. Unless its an american heavy or a heavy with a Very long range cannon. Everything is a trade off. German "safe" altitude is so high even THEIR bombs have a hard time landing in the same zipcode as the target.  AANd while when the russians miss its ok because you reload fast ... its not ok for the germans. Good bomb aiming is Crucial to maximizing efficiency with this line.

Eventually at high tiers the inaccuracy of the big bombs means that you find yourself doing what those russian planes did and diving low to gain accurate bomb placement and good speed for the escape. (not as tough as the russians so you better be good at dodging flack) 

Thus the circle is complete.

Mean while in america they do things completely different. 
for one thing they are neither fast nor do they fly very high. But they are very tough and their defensive turrets are uniquely good at creating a no fly zone.
I have seen them be very effective at orbiting a cap they have already bombed shooting at all the ADA at the same time to finish of the cap instead of flying away very fast like the russian/german lines.
 
And the bombs. are. not. screwing. around.
step one) they are big fat 500 lb bombs from the get go.
step two) you drop all of them in one go in strings of 8 or 16.   
Step three) ???
Step four) PROFITS.
This is balanced by the string bomber mechanic that forces you to not aim for specific ground targets
so much as try to get as many targets within a kill zone the size of 1/4 of the cap zone as you can and hope rng doesnt let you down.

  this line does not yet have its high tiers released so only WeeGee knows for sure what they become at high tiers.
Contenders include a B-29 enola gay. (which is odd because that is a downgrade from the tier 7 peace keeper unless it can drop a nuke (even just a little one))
And the B-52 at tier 10. Because 'Murica!
Most likely we will get a turbo prop flying wing with a ridiculous number of twin linked .50's in turrets all over the trailing edge of the wing.
that upgrades to a turbo jet flying wing with a slightly less insane number of 20 mm cannon at tier 10.

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View PostCorvusCorvax, on 16 August 2019 - 09:15 AM, said:

In my mind, no - it is an atypical bomber.  If you are going to buy a premium, I'd start with the He-111.  It's a string bomber (multiple bombs per release) that is easy to fly, easy to learn, and gives you an idea of what bombers can and can't do.  It is not fast, but it can go high.

 

The A-26 is FAST.  It can actually be used as a very heavy fighter.  I use it at low altitude more than up high.  It is also a string bomber.

To teach you how to drop big, single bombs, the Blenheim British bomber is good for that.  Both the Blenheim and the He-111 are good starting points.  I do better in the lower tier bombers, but haven't quite gotten the hang of the upper tier ones.  Probably because I need to practice more with the lower tier ones, hmmm?  ;)

The takeaway message here is that the A-26 is sort of it's own thing, and if you buy it, it will teach you how to fly the A-26, and that's about it.

+1 brother best advice and spot on the money <O

Bombers are a different play style and worth learning.

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LOL.  They edited my nickname!  Richard is my middle name.

 

So, your full name is Captain Richard Underpants?  Good to know.  


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View PostFour_Leaf_Tayback, on 16 August 2019 - 10:57 PM, said:

 

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View Postno_habla_ingles, on 16 August 2019 - 09:00 AM, said:

going to try my luck with the bombers is this a good starting point?


the A-26 is a great bomber, If you know how to bomber.  Buy the He-111 first and fly the hell out of that, it’s a great bomber in its own right and a great bomber trainer as well.  


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