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Captain_Rownd #21 Posted 05 August 2019 - 02:10 AM

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View Posthoom, on 04 August 2019 - 08:40 AM, said:

 

I'm actually currently working on Specialising P-47N at the moment, clean & with a Lightweight Engine because I need to get the guns on-target for Enemy aircraft kills, looking forward to see what I can do with it using Lightweight Wing & Mixture Control

 

 

Do tell.  I'm near the top engine myself and then will be grinding to the XP-72 for who knows how long.  I really want to like these planes because I LUV machine guns and speed, but P-47N is too often a victim because unlike the XP-44 there isn't much you can effectively outrun at Tier 7.  About the most satisfying thing I'm able to do with the P-47N right now is boosting into the belly of a bomber, which quickly shreds them.  Even B-32s melt if you hose it down with the machine guns up close.

 

 

 


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The XP-44 and whole Thunderbolt line is one of my favorite lines.  Granted, I suck at them, but they are fun.  

 

The machine guns in the XP-44 are a taste of things to come and will really shred planes once you get them in your sights.  

 

It is really good for running into a cap, dropping the bombs and then taking out the bot ADA or vice-versa.  The trouble comes in when some yahoo in a meta-spitfire or other turn and burn with good guns decides they want to kill you.

 

But then whatever, it's back to spawn and pick a new cap to take over.  Can be really fun.  Just loosen up and realize that it can carry bombs and they are useful.    

 

Edit:  Currently grinding the XP-72 and, while it could use 2 more of the .50's, it still is pretty good.  Just get used to dying a lot when humans start to pay attention to you.  


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 The gunsight perhaps would be better off replaced by cockpit armor, since per the developer (pre-2.0), machine guns benefit little from accuracy buffs.

 Yeah, nah.

MGs definitely get a boost from accuracy buff. (you can switch then do Test Flight without applying if you want to compare)

 

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 Do tell.  I'm near the top engine myself and then will be grinding to the XP-72 for who knows how long.  I really want to like these planes because I LUV machine guns and speed, but P-47N is too often a victim because unlike the XP-44 there isn't much you can effectively outrun at Tier 7.

 I'm certainly not claiming to be even vaguely good with it.

What I'm doing is not optimal, I try to turn too much & I know it, not really good at B&Zing.

 

I hated the heck out of the original grind to unlock XP-72 & parked it for several months after, didn't rage sell because I did feel some potential.

Didn't buy XP-72 yet.

 

The top engine made a pretty big difference to ability to maintain speed/boost to decent speed.

 

Lightweight Engine is not ideal but Calibrated Advanced gets the turn rate down to 12.5s which is almost decent, lets me get the MGs on target much more easily/for longer than without, especially vs ADA & I need Enemy Plane kills to progress to Specialist.

 

Clean = no rockets or bombs because need Enemy Plane kills to progress to Specialist so no point slowing things up/wasting time & effort to bomb.

 

I was using Uprated Engine & Improved Mixture Control combo on pretty much everything for a long time but thanks to the guidance of SpiritFoxMy while trying to make Fw 190s work I've learned that on these Multiroles with long boost availability the Boost Mixture Injection System really helps your acceleration & gives significant top-speed increase, especially in combo with Engine Cooling consumable.

 

I wish I'd known about Engine Cooling much earlier, it helps so much with maintaining ability to boost and gives you confidence to actually use it knowing that you'll have an opportunity to rebuild fairly quickly.

Use it for additional 10s boost or to rebuild your stock, either way you almost always pop it as soon as its off cooldown.

 

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pyantoryng #24 Posted 05 August 2019 - 03:21 PM

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I finished with the XP-72 after one x5. Its cruise and boost gap is so huge that you can go very fast but cannot retain that speed. It feels like you either go too fast or too slow. The M3 is there only for the feelgood that you have upgraded your firepower to that of the top-of-the-line US MG planes...the P-51H's superior handling let it keep the old MG-53 guns on target for longer and better cruise keep it going fast enough to stay in range.

 

...and engine cooling is what I use on most planes that got engine slot. Very useful.



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View Posthoom, on 04 August 2019 - 07:44 PM, said:

 

I was using Uprated Engine & Improved Mixture Control combo on pretty much everything for a long time but thanks to the guidance of SpiritFoxMy while trying to make Fw 190s work I've learned that on these Multiroles with long boost availability the Boost Mixture Injection System really helps your acceleration & gives significant top-speed increase, especially in combo with Engine Cooling consumable.

 

I wish I'd known about Engine Cooling much earlier, it helps so much with maintaining ability to boost and gives you confidence to actually use it knowing that you'll have an opportunity to rebuild fairly quickly.

Use it for additional 10s boost or to rebuild your stock, either way you almost always pop it as soon as its off cooldown.

 

Also 7pt Pilot with both Engine Gurus & Aerodynamics Expert.

 

I have my pilot points in engine guru and marksman 1&2.  The guns don't have much time to work so I wanted to max them.

 

Mixture control and uprated engine seems so obvious, since it is always working for you.  I've never used boost mixture injection system or engine cooling since it seems very situational.  Wish it didn't take gold to switch the modules and test.


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View PostSilence6966, on 04 August 2019 - 02:21 AM, said:

this is the first plane i actually hate, its semi fast but cant turn and has garbage guns, my best game was 8 kills in it. I get outturned by everything and cant outrun anything but zeros. what exactly can i do with this plane, whats the best strat?


fly it like a mini P-47.  


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View Postcomtedumas, on 06 August 2019 - 12:37 AM, said:


fly it like a mini P-47.  

 

How would he know how the P-47 flies when he hasn't flown the P-47 since its the plane above the XP-44 in the tech tree? :unsure:


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View Postcomtedumas, on 05 August 2019 - 11:37 AM, said:

fly it like a mini P-47.  

 

Except the P-47s are even stiffer and can't really opt for taking care of the ground pounding since all their ordnance reloads at 120 seconds. For context, by the time you reload your ordnance either an actual ground pounder will be in the vicinity, be it allied or hostile, or your team will be too ahead/screwed for you to really make much of an impact :amazed:


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Booze_Morgan #29 Posted 05 August 2019 - 08:11 PM

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The 47N is not for low action.  I find it does its best higher up against the high alt planes, and it does a great job of punishing them for being up high.

 

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Get used to going fast and maintaining that fast. Cant turn fight anything with one engine? Well too bad.
Thats not what the Thud line is for. If you want a more agile 'Murica! MultiRole i suggest the Corsair Line.
You are a Hi Speed Bomb Truck. And its the Closest thing to a GAA that America will get. (until the Skyraider becomes a thing)
So thinking of yourself as a GAA that traded tankiness for enough altitude performance and airspeed to be; technically at least, a MutiRole is a good way to go forward.

Gun sight is important for taming Ma Deuce and all her Very Angery Sisters.
And remember, shooting them is like shooting any other american  plane with lots wing mounted HMG's
THe closer you get the better you do. Even with Marksman. (though you get so many of them in the Thud line that you can drop marks man for engine guru)

Polished skin and up-tuned Engines for maintaining your speed at all times and only needing to to boost in a climb. And lastly, Aerodynamic Pylons.
Because Speed is life and up to 80% drag reduction on outboard ordinance WAY more handy than a faster reload.
You can trade out the up-tuned engine for a Booster for better GTFO.
But i would not recommend doing so until you have access to Engine Guru 1+2, Cruise flight and improved fuel mixture consumable
(Just like the bomb consumable and the universal ammo consumable; the credit version is good enough but the gold variant is nice if you want to splurge)
 While we are on the topic of Pilot skills dont forget AeroDynamic Expert. 40% better performance out of every piece of equipment i have mentioned (except the gunsight) thus far is way too important to not get. 

Now that you know what to use; here is how you use it. 

Climb well into the yellow of your altimeter band. about as high as where the Heavy ADA like to spawn.  
If you see them before they see you you can successfully turn fight them even with a speed build.
And with that speed build you can actually keep up with most heavy fighters long enough to get close and kill them.
Avoid head on confrontations as that is how you get ram killed by bots.
Just pay attention if its a human pilot. they usually boost climb away from you only to loop back around on you.
Bots will usually just dive. and you can follow them efficiently. (You wont even need to use more than a few seconds of boost!) 

If the ADA heavy is coming at you then just go into a dive and drop those bombs. (the sooner you use them the sooner you get them back) 
When he follows you down into your proper altitude band; your engine should be at its best.
You can pull up and loop around him. saving that boost for when the heavy tries to escape back to high altitude.
Heavy ADA are worth a lot of cap points so take full advantage of that.  
With all the heavies or low flying bombers taken care of the cap should flip and by the time you get to the next one you will have your bombs back.
(if not then just bully the ADA heavies and enemy bombers until you get the bombs back)

Do this all around the map. Avoiding large concentrations of the enemy if possible.  Flip caps and be victorious.

This is how I do the Thunderbolt Line. And it works pretty well for me.

But if you want a multi role you can turn fight with i suggest Corsairs or Hurricanes.

Fair warning. My success rate at speculative guesswork is very hit or miss. Usually I start on the right track and then a make a weird left turn and get lost in the weeds ... 
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they really do need to change the fw and the thunderbolt lines, they were much better planes than they are in this game. I doubt I am the first to say this. oddly enough some absolute garbage russian planes are way better in this game than they were in real life lol

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View PostSilence6966, on 07 August 2019 - 02:49 AM, said:

they really do need to change the fw and the thunderbolt lines, they were much better planes than they are in this game. I doubt I am the first to say this. oddly enough some absolute garbage russian planes are way better in this game than they were in real life lol

 

Apart from the A-1, the other two 190s are good planes. The Dora is just unfortunate enough to suffer meeting tier 8s which it struggles to compete with


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View PostSpiritFoxMY, on 06 August 2019 - 06:33 PM, said:

 

Apart from the A-1, the other two 190s are good planes. The Dora is just unfortunate enough to suffer meeting tier 8s which it struggles to compete with


depends on your playstyle I'd think, but the A1 sucks so bad, I don't see the rest of the 190s in my future.  I don't enjoy energy fighting anyways, so it's kind of whatever in my mind.


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View Postcrzyhawk, on 06 August 2019 - 04:10 PM, said:


depends on your playstyle I'd think, but the A1 sucks so bad, I don't see the rest of the 190s in my future.  I don't enjoy energy fighting anyways, so it's kind of whatever in my mind.

 

Fw 190 are the most brutal grind, but a good learning experience because they force you to play their way or fail. 

 

In the target-rich World of Warplanes game format I have a hard time coming to grips with the energy fighter play style of hanging around the edge of the cap like a vulture hoping for the right target, zooming in/out, and rarely getting to fire the guns.  (also being a joystick player I don't have lateral vision)

 


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crzyhawk #35 Posted 07 August 2019 - 03:26 AM

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yeah, I don't have the patience for that.  I want to get in there and shoot at things.  if the barrels aren't melting, I am not happy.

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 Mixture control and uprated engine seems so obvious, since it is always working for you.  I've never used boost mixture injection system or engine cooling since it seems very situational.  Wish it didn't take gold to switch the modules and test.

 Yes that was my thinking too but the Mixture Injection really really helps with boost speed & if you think about it if you need speed most of the time you're boosting -> its actually used plenty.

 

You don't need gold to test it.

You can mess around with Equipment setup to see the stats effect without cost, just click Reset to have everything revert. (costs Tokens to Apply if you're demounting Improved+ Equipment)

If you are purchasing/calibrating Equipment that cost is immediate & permanent though, Consumables only cost when you Apply.

 

To test a setup click the Test button and you go into a live battle with the current setup (much reduced Silver/XP earnings) without having to make the change permanent.

A bit weird on the return to Hangar, you have to change planes & a popup asks if you want to Service aka Apply or Reset, don't forget to Reset unless you want to make it a permanent change.

 

You want the Mixture Injection at least up to fully Calibrated Stock, preferably Calibrated Improved to get a real feel for its impact.

 

 

I've finished Specialising my P-47N now.

Switched over to Lightweight Wings (currently partially Calibrated Advanced), Boost Injection (Calibrated Improved) & threw on some spare Aerodynamic Pylons (Calibrated Advanced).

With Bombs & Rockets mounted I still get a boost speed of 789km/h, I think this plane and I are gonna get along pretty well now :)

 

I did Test with a Polished Skin rather than Lightweight Wings and indeed the speed is impressive but I just can't get or keep the guns on target long enough to be effective with a 13.6s turn time.

With the Lightweight Wings I'm at 12.7s turn time which gets the guns on target much easier & holds them long enough to reliably get kills.

Might still Test the Polished Skin occasionally.


Edited by hoom, 07 August 2019 - 03:56 AM.

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Yeah, all my modules are at least Improved.  I never use calibration.  There really isn't much point in testing a config until the plane is fully researched, the modules improved, and you've built up experience with it.  Urgh, not too keen on dropping tokens and a good chunk of credits on mounting/demounting stuff on a given plane.  It's hard to anticipate the effect of all this stuff on the plane when it's given in little percentages, 1% here, 3% there, 5% if you're lucky...

Edited by Captain_Rownd, 07 August 2019 - 05:15 AM.

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even 5%... who would notice a 5% change in anything at all?   


"trikke, you need to be more attuned"   


I'm very attuned to vanilla ice cream cones, but if you gave me 5% more, I would swear they were exactly the same


even side by side


Give me 10% more, and I'll notice that.     I'd even tip you more


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A bit late to the conversation, but here's the video of my XP-44 match during last weekend's community event. You get some minor ground pounding footage, as well as quite a bit of air-to-air combat :hiding::

 

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trikke #40 Posted 09 August 2019 - 01:29 PM

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after watching LMG's video, the thread title should have been...
 

what the hell do (average pilots) do with the xp 44


fantastic job in a hard-to-fly plane, brother


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