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Mercsn #1 Posted 31 July 2019 - 04:27 AM

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So, recently, I've seen several new-for-2.0, returning players and genuinely new players in matches.  So, here's another helpful 2.0 (current game mode) tip:

 

It's a bit of a cheesey move, so if you're a pro, move along, nothing to see here.  If you're not seeing "victory" as often as you'd like, feel free to click the spoiler below to read on.  But, be warned. It's immersion breaking and, while not listed as a punishable "exploit" (to my knowledge), it is abusing bad game design and it's lame...but effective.

 

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and PS...play more, forum less.  Your opinion might be more credible.

Captain_Underpants53 #2 Posted 31 July 2019 - 04:53 AM

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Aren't you the guy who convinced me that if I dove straight down into the repair building I would gain infinite health?  It doesn't work no matter how fast I dive.  :P

 

Anyway I don't consider these things to be cheating.  They are part of the game and tactics.  I wish I had a nickel for every time a bot takes me out in the exact split second that the announcer tells us, ;You're on your................KaBoom!


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FreeFOXMIKE #3 Posted 31 July 2019 - 05:28 AM

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:facepalm::hiding: I do not know about this one, its informative .I would just say "play through it",but if your only want a high win rate,and that is  your only interest in the game then this may be useful.

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Mercsn #4 Posted 31 July 2019 - 06:27 AM

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View PostCaptain_Underpants53, on 30 July 2019 - 10:53 PM, said:

Aren't you the guy who convinced me that if I dove straight down into the repair building I would gain infinite health?  It doesn't work no matter how fast I dive.  :P

 

 

That wasn't me. lol. But, it's funny.


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and PS...play more, forum less.  Your opinion might be more credible.

blindfoId #5 Posted 31 July 2019 - 10:12 AM

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I wouldn't call it an exploit just a tactical move based on the current game mechanics. So, they are pretty decent tips.

 

Btw, you can always disable Alt+Tab key to avoid minimizing the game window:

 

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I learned those moves early on and decided I do not like them. 

It may be strange but I really want to survive the entire match and have no respawn. 

If it was not for the 1000 PP, after being eliminated I would go back to hangar and choose another plane.

and another match. 

I am a conscientious objector of respawn

 



hoom #7 Posted 31 July 2019 - 12:32 PM

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Alt + Tab doesn't close the game, it switches window.

Its Alt + F4 that Kills the current app ie the game.

 

I tend not to use Tactical Ditching, though have been known to occasionally.

Definitely have not tried too hard to evade being killed at appropriate times.

 

Regarding waiting for the Squall Line to kill an enemy: there is a risk you have to be wary of which is the possibility that the guy you left alive winds up flipping a cap/killing an important teammate, so sometimes its important to secure the kill.


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NL_Celt #8 Posted 31 July 2019 - 03:05 PM

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Interesting. Never thought of this. Makes a lot of sense if you are trying to win. In a way not much different than if you could go back to base and land and get a plane repaired or switch to an undamaged one.

 

The second part about teleporting makes me think about some times where I was tailing a plane and then suddenly get shot down from behind when I was sure there was nothing around. I always assumed I just missed it, but now I think it was probably a respawn on my six.


Edited by NL_Celt, 31 July 2019 - 03:07 PM.


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Valid tactic, ty brother!

I struggle to stay alive for no particular reason except...

 

the Baby Jesus wins if I can stay alive until the battle ends


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View PostNL_Celt, on 31 July 2019 - 07:05 AM, said:

Interesting. Never thought of this. 

 

Me too.  Not sure I'll ever use it, I'm kind of stubborn like that, but it's good information nonetheless.  :great:


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Stygian_Alchemist #11 Posted 31 July 2019 - 08:50 PM

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I've been known to "purposely" ditch to get fresh hp and boost.

I just also always try to drag a person or bot into the ground with me when I do it. 

Basically I mostly reserve this for those times something will -not- get off of me no matter what I do, its almost squall and I'm almost dead anyway. Might as well make sure that happens -before- squall hoses me since the guy on my tail just won't let off and is going to make the 2 seconds after squall death happen and that drives me NUTS.

Mercsn #12 Posted 01 August 2019 - 01:06 AM

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View Posthoom, on 31 July 2019 - 06:32 AM, said:

Alt + Tab doesn't close the game, it switches window.

Its Alt + F4 that Kills the current app ie the game.

 

I tend not to use Tactical Ditching, though have been known to occasionally.

Definitely have not tried too hard to evade being killed at appropriate times.

 

Regarding waiting for the Squall Line to kill an enemy: there is a risk you have to be wary of which is the possibility that the guy you left alive winds up flipping a cap/killing an important teammate, so sometimes its important to secure the kill.

 

Alt tab will still drop a person to the desktop, normally, unless they are playing in windowed mode. So, it's still inconvenient. 

 

Thanks, Blindfold, for the reminder that windows key and alt tab can be disabled. I leave alt tab enabled because I peruse the forums when waiting for match start. 

 

You are right that if your target is wrecking Ada and will cap a sector, you might want to splash him to prevent that. Of course, if he's been wrecking your team and you can eliminate him and prevent him from coming back, maybe giving up that sector for a few ticks is worth it, if you can quickly recapture it. 

 

When I say, "wait to kill him until after squall," I don't mean fly off and do something else. I mean, if squall is imminent, nobody is engaging you, and you're shooting at the guy anyways, just follow him while he's wounded and wait until squall hits before actually finishing him off. There's no point in splashing him 15 seconds before squall if you can wait until after. 


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The below was said to me (Mercsn), from a concerned player:

Edited, on 12 March - 2:01PM , said:

and PS...play more, forum less.  Your opinion might be more credible.

Mercsn #13 Posted 01 August 2019 - 01:10 AM

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View PostFreeFOXMIKE, on 30 July 2019 - 11:28 PM, said:

:facepalm::hiding: I do not know about this one, its informative .I would just say "play through it",but if your only want a high win rate,and that is  your only interest in the game then this may be useful.

 

These tips aren't for everyone and are immersion breaking. That's why I mention such and put it behind a spoiler tag.

 

The bots don't play fair. People who might not be doing as well as they'd like with finding the victory screen might want these tools in there belt.

 

As nlcelt points out, another benefit is understanding what a human on the other team might do. 


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The below was said to me (Mercsn), from a concerned player:

Edited, on 12 March - 2:01PM , said:

and PS...play more, forum less.  Your opinion might be more credible.

Mercsn #14 Posted 01 August 2019 - 01:14 AM

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With these kinds of tips that relate to winning a match, it might not even be a win rate motivator. If a player is trying to acquire equipment materials or complete a "only counts if you win" token mission, these types of tips can be a time saver. Which is nice for folks trying to do these things that require a win, but have limited time.

 

Personally, I'll decide if the calibre of enemy and status of the match requires this sort of near-exploit behavior to achieve my goal. 


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The below was said to me (Mercsn), from a concerned player:

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and PS...play more, forum less.  Your opinion might be more credible.

Four_Leaf_Tayback #15 Posted 01 August 2019 - 03:08 AM

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I usually just hit the ground or some obstruction in my GAs.    

 

The tricky thing is to do this within 2 minutes of the game starting yet still pulling off a win and getting the #1 position.  

 

That is a strategy I bet none of you have yet to consider.  Actually, I never considered it, but it seems to work for me.  Today I did it 2X in like the first 2 minutes.  

 

Strategery is cool, even when it's by accident.  


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 Alt tab will still drop a person to the desktop, normally, unless they are playing in windowed mode. So, it's still inconvenient. 

 Certainly & the reminder that it can be disabled in the Options is relevant :)

Personally I frequently Alt+Tab out to browser etc during loading/from hangar so I leave it enabled.

 

I do have the Windows key disabled though.

 

Edit: hmm, @Blindfold actually seems those actually don't work at all on at least on Win10.

At first I thought it must be just because I use Windowed Borderless but also picks up both Windows Key and Alt+Tab with Windowed & Fullscreen.

Edit2: nevermind, as below works in-battle but not in Hangar which is actually well done :great:


Edited by hoom, 01 August 2019 - 04:47 AM.

C'est magnifique, mais ce n'est pas le SerB.

Stygian_Alchemist #17 Posted 01 August 2019 - 03:23 AM

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View Posthoom, on 31 July 2019 - 09:15 PM, said:

 Certainly & the reminder that it can be disabled in the Options is relevant :)

Personally I frequently Alt+Tab out to browser etc during loading/from hangar so I leave it enabled.

 

I do have the Windows key disabled though.

 

Edit: hmm, @Blindfold actually seems those actually don't work at all on at least on Win10.

At first I thought it must be just because I use Windowed Borderless but also picks up both Windows Key and Alt+Tab with Windowed & Fullscreen.

Works under the steam client. Can't use win key or alt+tab in a match. CAn in hangar/queue. I run Win10 :/ odd.



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Hmm, I did only test in Hangar.

 

Edit: ok yeah the key block does work when in battle in all 3 modes.


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View Postlosttwo, on 31 July 2019 - 08:46 PM, said:

I learned those moves early on and decided I do not like them. 

It may be strange but I really want to survive the entire match and have no respawn. 

If it was not for the 1000 PP, after being eliminated I would go back to hangar and choose another plane.

and another match. 

I am a conscientious objector of respawn

 


Likewise. I'm not a fan of respawn, if I get shot down I'd be just as happy to return to hangar and move on to a new match. I have never ditched and doubt I ever will. Surviving to the end on a wing and a prayer is part of the fun.



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I would rather survive the entire match with a loss, than re-spawn and get a win.  May not be the ideal way to play this game now, but that is the way I like to play.





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