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Mercsn #1 Posted 11 July 2019 - 06:53 PM

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I need suggestions on how to politely encourage people to either not play the game or to play only in training rooms.  I run into a lot of people who are in this online, multi-player, competitive game who have ZERO interest in winning the match.  Some people just don't know how to win a match.  For them, if they're willing to listen, there's hope.

 

But, for the people hell bent on ruining the competitive experience for other players, there's virtually no hope of them ever deciding to contribute to their team.  It seems that when I spell it out clearly, for these types, I end up with chat bans.  Which, of course, means I'm unable to encourage these people, who are uninterested in contributing to their team's success, to stop queuing up.  I'm also unable to actually teach the few players who are actually interested in improving.  

 

So, I'm looking for suggestions for polite ways to encourage players who have no interest in winning a match to either stop playing the game or to only play in training rooms.

 

Getting beat by bots with mismatched ai skill level and aggressiveness per team is bad enough.  Getting beat by my own few human teammates is unbearable.  This game is actually reasonably fun to play, until you get a team with actual humans who have no interest in winning the match or you get slaughtered by cheating bots despite all the humans on the team out playing the humans on the other team.  It's up to the #RussianLogic devs to fix their broken ai design and coding.  We, the players, however, can encourage losers (not a derogatory term, simply an identifier of a person who "does not want to win") to stop playing in normal, competitive matches.


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The below was said to me (Mercsn), from a concerned player:

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and PS...play more, forum less.  Your opinion might be more credible.

Captain_Underpants53 #2 Posted 11 July 2019 - 07:11 PM

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I lost a 1 VS 1 this morning.  I came in with 4 chevrons at #1.  My sole opponent managed to squeak out a #12 position in a Victory.  Whatcha gonna do?

 

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losttwo #3 Posted 11 July 2019 - 07:27 PM

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Grant me the serenity to accept the thing I can not change

The courage to change the things I can.

The wisdom to know the difference.

 

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View Postlosttwo, on 11 July 2019 - 02:27 PM, said:

Grant me the serenity to accept the thing I can not change

The courage to change the things I can.

The wisdom to know the difference.

 

Spoiler

LostDeux speaks from truth

mushrooms and potatoes are part of the environment

accept, adapt and move on

screaming at WG devs...

you'd have more effect trying to reason with a carrot


if the pilot's good, see, I mean, if he's really..sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low [he spreads his arms like wings and laughs],

you oughtta see it sometime, it's a sight. A big plane like a '52. VRROOM! There's jet exhaust, fryin' chickens in the barnyard.


Captain_Underpants53 #5 Posted 11 July 2019 - 08:54 PM

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Another defeat with being #1 with 4 chevrons but this time I had two 'team mates'.  I would have traded both of them for just one bot, if I could.  One guy came in at #6 and the other one at #12.  Out of curiosity, I checked out #12 in his shiny XP-75.  31 battles!  There was a time when I would have tried to reason with him about the wisdom of buying that Tier VII/VIII Premium and flying it in battles.  But those days are long gone.  I still reason with guys I see on Tier III or IV sometimes but, unless they are clan I leave the truly intellect challenged alone.  Not my job, in other words.  I should have mentioned that it was his most flown plane, by far.     :facepalm:

 

The winning Red Team?  Their best player came in at #5 with #6 and #10 trailing.   Watcha gonna do?   :unsure:


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Stygian_Alchemist #6 Posted 11 July 2019 - 09:08 PM

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Maybe, teach the new players/clueless ones and direct them in team chat? I've never run into someone who doesn't actually want to win except the occasional person running dailies and even then, they're more than willing to help win if it can also achieve their dailies and that can often be worked out.

Dunno, but I've been doing that lately from the beginning of the battle when there's a newbie/name I don't know (and know that they know which end of the plane to point at the bad guy) and it seems to work out in my favor more often than not. Hovering around a 74-75% win rate for the last 4 weeks.

Or... alternatively, remain a curmudgeon and try to encourage people to quit playing the game actively. Seems to be about the only two realistic options to me.

Mercsn #7 Posted 11 July 2019 - 09:56 PM

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View Postlosttwo, on 11 July 2019 - 01:27 PM, said:

Grant me the serenity to accept the thing I can not change

The courage to change the things I can.

The wisdom to know the difference.

 

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That's actually good advice. It's just difficult for me to accept when I run into a human teammate in a competive, online game who has zero interest in winning the match.  I like WWII era tanks.  I absolutely suck at World of Tanks.  So, I don't play it.  Losing, and not knowing why I keep getting wrecked (by cloaked tanks) just isn't fun for me. I'm completely unable to understand the point of view of someone who is terrible at something, keeps being told they've lost and, yet, finds enjoyment in it.


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The below was said to me (Mercsn), from a concerned player:

Edited, on 12 March - 2:01PM , said:

and PS...play more, forum less.  Your opinion might be more credible.

Mercsn #8 Posted 11 July 2019 - 10:06 PM

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View PostStygian_Alchemist, on 11 July 2019 - 03:08 PM, said:

Maybe, teach the new players/clueless ones and direct them in team chat? I've never run into someone who doesn't actually want to win except the occasional person running dailies and even then, they're more than willing to help win if it can also achieve their dailies and that can often be worked out.

Dunno, but I've been doing that lately from the beginning of the battle when there's a newbie/name I don't know (and know that they know which end of the plane to point at the bad guy) and it seems to work out in my favor more often than not. Hovering around a 74-75% win rate for the last 4 weeks.

Or... alternatively, remain a curmudgeon and try to encourage people to quit playing the game actively. Seems to be about the only two realistic options to me.

 

I often try to help people that are doing stupid things. I should probably make a notepad file for often used tips.  One such example is when I see a guy do 25k of ground damage, but kill 2 targets.  He obviously doesn't know how ground target "kills" work or how to earn capture points.  So, I'll politely explain it. Sometimes I get, "thanks, I didn't realize, new to ground attack." 

 

Other times, I'll get, "stfu! I've played 500 hours! I know what I'm doing!" [queue the 42% winrate when I look at his battle results].  And, don't even get me started on the guy in a fighter strafing the plant because, "It's a valuable sector!" (true, but even if he could strafe it do death in a fighter, it would take longer than the match will last AND the military base or command center or enemy ga/bombers, that he's refusing to attack, will just take it right back anyways).

 

It's THESE guys who have ZERO interest in learning how to win or in playing to win.  I know because they'll literally tell me things like I had earlier, "I just play for fun. I don't care how well I do or if I win."  We had a bit of not so friendly back and forth where I explained that, although few in number, he is actually playing with a few human teammates, who ARE trying to win and that his NOT trying to win is ruining the game for them. 

 

This game is a competitive game with a winner and loser and where the winner earns rewards that the loser does not (upgrade parts, increased xp, and ability to complete token missions requiring "only counts if you win the battle").  Obviously, if WG had followed through on their stated plan to allow players who perform very well, but still "lose", to earn parts that would be one step in the right direction towards alleviating frustration of players who are trying to win being forced to play along side people who are trying NOT to win. But, that still leaves the missions which require win to complete. 

 

And, if individual accomplishment doesn't matter and we're truly in the age of it doesn't matter who wins or loses, why does the winner get access to anything that the loser doesn't?  #RussianLogic.

 

I had been encouraging him to uninstall, sell his pc and move to console games (so I'd never get stuck with him in any PC title -trying to be proactive, here).  He finally said he'd think about winning or trying to, at least.  Baby steps, I guess.  And, thus the point of my request, seriously, asking for polite ways to get people to either quit or play to win.  Technically, NOT playing to win is aiding the other team; aiding the other team is against WG's rules.


Edited by Mercsn, 11 July 2019 - 10:14 PM.

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qu33kKC #9 Posted 11 July 2019 - 10:21 PM

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saw a player this past weekend at #12 in both matches they were in.  Second game was 0 capture points, about 400 damage to ground targets, about 200 to air targets, no kills, and barely 1400 points. 

 

Flying a VB 10.

 

Their first game was worse. . . .

 

all I could think of to say to them was "ur doing it rong" but wasn't about to actually DO so.  :(



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Lets not forget to mention the player that logs in and does nothing the entire battle.

Flies back and forth for 1000 personal points for finishing the match.

The entire match is 11 to 12... BUT YOU WIN ANYWAY.

And of course you are in the number one place.

 

OFF TOPIC:

did you know : As of the 2018 NFL season, every active NFL team has qualified for, and won a game in, the playoffs at least once. ... Of the 12 teams that have never won the Super Bowl, four (4) are expansion franchises younger than the Super Bowl itself (Bengals, Panthers, Jaguars, and the Texans).


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I can honestly say I've not run into someone like that. Then again, I'm one of the few who've run into kill leeches.. so I guess that's a tradeoff. lol

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Maybe I am just tired of the players who get upset when I try to advise them.  But again, I say, not my job to educate them. 

 

Or maybe I am just tired of all the bot determined battles where the humans are irrelevant.  I had four in a row today that the bots won.  I came in at #1 in all four including the last one where I finally got a Victory.  My opponent deserved to win that match.  He greatly outscored me.


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View PostStygian_Alchemist, on 11 July 2019 - 05:40 PM, said:

I can honestly say I've not run into someone like that. Then again, I'm one of the few who've run into kill leeches.. so I guess that's a tradeoff. lol

if I'm flying by at high speeds in a 110-c

and your prey is in range ...

it's still living,

I'm gunna shoot it as I pass

even if it has 1%

sorry, not:coin:

I don't take stupid chances

 


if the pilot's good, see, I mean, if he's really..sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low [he spreads his arms like wings and laughs],

you oughtta see it sometime, it's a sight. A big plane like a '52. VRROOM! There's jet exhaust, fryin' chickens in the barnyard.


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View PostAce_BOTlistic_Cosmo, on 11 July 2019 - 09:38 PM, said:

if I'm flying by at high speeds in a 110-c

and your prey is in range ...

it's still living,

I'm gunna shoot it as I pass

even if it has 1%

sorry, not:coin:

I don't take stupid chances

 

You must have missed my thread previously about it.

I mean someone who literally begins to follow you all match without invitation and they don't add -any- firepower until the target is almost finished and then <blap> and they get the kill credit.

I understand the high speed fly-by's and the turn fight frenzy. I do not understand purposely following someone to yank kills. I've seen it done in other games but only by a handful of players in this one.



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View PostStygian_Alchemist, on 11 July 2019 - 11:00 PM, said:

You must have missed my thread previously about it.

I mean someone who literally begins to follow you all match without invitation and they don't add -any- firepower until the target is almost finished and then <blap> and they get the kill credit.

I understand the high speed fly-by's and the turn fight frenzy. I do not understand purposely following someone to yank kills. I've seen it done in other games but only by a handful of players in this one.

 

I have seen this with extreme rarity and usually when farming tokens at lower tiers.  But, I have seen it.   

 

Where a human player haunts you the whole game and tries to Bogart all your kills.  Again, very rare and usually, from my anecdotal evidence, at lower tiers.  Maybe they are just trying to learn.  Or... in the case of some aswhipe' with 5,000 battles, a total Richard Choadly.  



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View PostBobby_Tables, on 11 July 2019 - 11:25 PM, said:

 

I have seen this with extreme rarity and usually when farming tokens at lower tiers.  But, I have seen it.   

 

Where a human player haunts you the whole game and tries to Bogart all your kills.  Again, very rare and usually, from my anecdotal evidence, at lower tiers.  Maybe they are just trying to learn.  Or... in the case of some aswhipe' with 5,000 battles, a total Richard Choadly.  

I have it happen at super low tiers mostly as well. Occasionally at T10. If I thought it was just people scraggling after kills for specialist  it would be one thing, but usually they ARE in a specialist lol! It's not a -frequent- thing either, but it's very jarring and distinct when it does!



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I just wish someone would follow my bomber around doing that.  They could have every single kill with my blessings.

 

Seriously, I often wonder why more folks don't take advantage of following a bomber with good turret guns for easy kills.  I usually fly in white altitude so  a lot of planes would work.


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View PostCaptain_Underpants53, on 12 July 2019 - 01:31 AM, said:

I just wish someone would follow my bomber around doing that.  They could have every single kill with my blessings.

 

Seriously, I often wonder why more folks don't take advantage of following a bomber with good turret guns for easy kills.  I usually fly in white altitude so  a lot of planes would work.


That's funny cause i was following 2 bot bombers the other day.

They actually working together to lose the match.

Sure I got plenty of Heavy kills and a few multi roles but, but but

at the cost of a match...never again.



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View PostStygian_Alchemist, on 12 July 2019 - 12:00 AM, said:

You must have missed my thread previously about it.

Please link, tyvm



I mean someone who literally begins to follow you all match without invitation and they don't add -any- firepower until the target is almost finished and then <blap> and they get the kill credit.

I understand the high speed fly-by's and the turn fight frenzy. I do not understand purposely following someone to yank kills. I've seen it done in other games but only by a handful of players in this one.

I did miss that thread

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sorry, am

oh...

going all codger/golden days, 1.X...

there were certain people who'd obsess over "their kills"

it was great sport to see them in game

literally wait for the prey's health to get to 1%...

then snipe the kill on 'em when their guns overheated

.

you could "feel" their heads explode

and the flames you get for the next 10 games was priceless

also a fine Forum Game thread would also get started

.

.

well, until someone else did the same and

then they'd get to enjoy the entertainment

.

ah... the good 'ol days

... uh, what were we talking about?

................:rolleyes:


if the pilot's good, see, I mean, if he's really..sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low [he spreads his arms like wings and laughs],

you oughtta see it sometime, it's a sight. A big plane like a '52. VRROOM! There's jet exhaust, fryin' chickens in the barnyard.


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I've seen the stalky kill stealer - but rarely since there are so few meat bags flying.  When I do spot them we usually spend the match just following the same plane around because I stop shooting, too.




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