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Stygian_Alchemist #1 Posted 10 June 2019 - 05:20 AM

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I'm going to pull a Prenzlau, but I'm being quite serious in the below suggestion.

Most of our community aces are either behind the curve or absentee, this is not -necessarily- a criticism of them and this post is not intended as such. It does, however, lead to my next point. Which is that we need new Aces to help lead forum discussion and who have, in large part, already earned the title. I would throw two names out -personally- as nominees to lobby for based on what I've seen of their behavior in the forums.

 

wylleEcoyote and SpiritFoxMY


That's it, that's all there is to this post. I think the body of what they try to do and present themselves as in the forums speaks for itself insofar as qualifications.



Booze_Morgan #2 Posted 10 June 2019 - 07:01 AM

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View PostWhite_Widow18, on 09 June 2019 - 11:20 PM, said:

I'm going to pull a Prenzlau, but I'm being quite serious in the below suggestion.

Most of our community aces are either behind the curve or absentee, this is not -necessarily- a criticism of them and this post is not intended as such. It does, however, lead to my next point. Which is that we need new Aces to help lead forum discussion and who have, in large part, already earned the title. I would throw two names out -personally- as nominees to lobby for based on what I've seen of their behavior in the forums.

 

wylleEcoyote and SpiritFoxMY


That's it, that's all there is to this post. I think the body of what they try to do and present themselves as in the forums speaks for itself insofar as qualifications.

 

I totally agree. UP vote.
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losttwo #3 Posted 10 June 2019 - 07:18 AM

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losttwo #4 Posted 10 June 2019 - 07:39 AM

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Community Aces has long gone by the way side.

We do not even have our own forum section nor purpose.

 A quote from Magus "They aren't being given out, or revoked, no matter how well deserved in either case.  Think of the title and program as a relic from better days.

 

And Porkins, you need to add DrSinister to that list; he's the best modder we still have active on the NA server, and he keeps his stuff up to date.

 

Also add Hawkeyededic; best skinner in the whole game bar none.  He's on-again off-again, but will update skins if a request is made for them."

 

 

Back then we as community aces actually had a purpose and some of us still do.

Dr. Sinister still updates his mods.

Magus still tosses out a video here and there,

 

There were even some of us that would connect with the new player and bring them into a three man flight to teach them how to play the game. 

We would make signatures for people or make video's for them.

 

Any one thinking the label holds any value now is just delusional.

Like, how many people actually stop at a STOP sign.

More so since EVERY SINGLE PERSON in this forum has the same power and ability.

 

Anyone here can skin or learn too. Hawkeyededic was a great skinner and has some fabulous ones.

 

So should there be any new Community Aces ?  NO.

Should the title be removed from those that received it during closed beta ? NO

 

Should perception about Community Aces be changed ?  YES

 

It is a relic of times past.

Stop thinking it is suppose to MEAN something special and has some certain power.

 

 

 

 



Stygian_Alchemist #5 Posted 10 June 2019 - 07:46 AM

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The game has seen an upswing and the only way that will continue is to fix things that have fallen by the wayside.

Your opinion is noted losttwo and filed in the VIP bin.

losttwo #6 Posted 10 June 2019 - 08:00 AM

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View PostWhite_Widow18, on 10 June 2019 - 02:46 AM, said:

The game has seen an upswing and the only way that will continue is to fix things that have fallen by the wayside.

Your opinion is noted losttwo and filed in the VIP bin.

 

Hhhmmm...VIP ? would that be Very Insensitive Person bin :P

 

I think if anything they should just do away with the " Community Ace " label since the program no longer exists.

I do have my " Which way do we go " label. Plus my extra wide signature ability. that were received as gifts.

 



_Bruiser_ #7 Posted 10 June 2019 - 08:08 AM

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View PostWhite_Widow18, on 10 June 2019 - 07:46 AM, said:

The game has seen an upswing and the only way that will continue is to fix things that have fallen by the wayside.
 

 

I agree with fixing the things, but not the upswing. Just about all mmo's need some kind of mentoring program imo. Long time players with a few tag-a-longs kinda thing.

 

I've complained plenty about the ace's and CC's, not them in particular, just the program as a whole.

 

But again, we are probably just smoking the pipe good dreams come from to even think something good can be made, it is wg ya know.......



Stygian_Alchemist #8 Posted 10 June 2019 - 08:41 AM

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View Post_Bruiser_, on 10 June 2019 - 02:08 AM, said:

 

I agree with fixing the things, but not the upswing. Just about all mmo's need some kind of mentoring program imo. Long time players with a few tag-a-longs kinda thing.

 

I've complained plenty about the ace's and CC's, not them in particular, just the program as a whole.

 

But again, we are probably just smoking the pipe good dreams come from to even think something good can be made, it is wg ya know.......

 

Possibly, but WG has been making at least some effort to be responsive recently and I think taking advantage of that and showing good faith efforts from the players toward them to put our best people forward has at least a possibility of getting something moving in the frozen gears of their beauracracy. 

Insofar as upswing.. eh... numbers show more people playing than anyone thought and a steady trickle increase in the # of those players. Beyond that, I've seen more people flying with names I'd never seen in the last 3-4 months than in rather a long time. YMMV and its all interpretable numbers or anecdote but hope springs eternal. Similar to trying to get the ace program fixed/rejiggered/made useful/to have a point again.

I'm ever hopeful and following the normal lifetime of an MMO this is also the point wherein a game often has a chance at a serious renaissance.. I won't hold my breath, but I'll help to try to get it that way the best I can.

Thus why I am putting forth wylleEcoyote and SpiritFoxMY as suggestions for the first of a new class and breed of Community Aces. No joking, I've read more helpful information and more interesting dissections of the game from those two than any other in recent memory. They do that all without generally devolving into the fray as well and I respect and appreciate that.

I think they're deserving of the recognition and of trying to figure out what a community ace -should- be in the current context and help guide the concept into the future. Assuming both or either of them would accept any sort of nomination in the first place, obviously.

 

View Postlosttwo, on 10 June 2019 - 02:00 AM, said:

 

Hhhmmm...VIP ? would that be Very Insensitive Person bin :P

 

I think if anything they should just do away with the " Community Ace " label since the program no longer exists.

I do have my " Which way do we go " label. Plus my extra wide signature ability. that were received as gifts.

 

 

Sure.. we can go with a definition that polite. ;) 

I, personally, would like to see a resurrection of sorts and more importantly a re-work of the concept of community ace. People like DrSinister and others deserve the position and have defined somewhat what I think it should be. Someone who generally contributes positively to the community with little fanfare and less drama. Others just make the position a pointless 'look how old school I am' label and that's being generous in some cases.

The idea would also follow to re-orient CA to be -just- those who behave like Dr Sinister or wylleEcoyote and SpiritFoxMY... real community leaders and contributors who try to bring positive things to the community and who, preferably, play at least semi-consistently.


losttwo #9 Posted 10 June 2019 - 09:18 AM

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I also think they should bring back three man flights so we can actually teach new players in game.

I bet I could learn a lot from you and Prenz if I was sitting in your cockpits watch you.

Then again the ghostrider would have to be reverted back the way it was.

 

While you and Prenze boast about bombing skill I have not seen one video yet on how to do it efficiently.

Have not even seen any show off video's showing skill in bombers.

 

One of the reasons I changed my signature from videographer to what it is was lack of submissions.

I have to admit I have been gone for a few years.

 

I say just let it be and allow people the freedom to be human with no special labels.

People should stop placing artificial value on relic defunct titles and stop trying to pass marriage proposals

to the likes of Rock Hudson, Raymond Burr, Dirk Bogarde, [edited]Sargent, Robert Reed, James Mitchell, Richard Chamberlian

and the list goes on.

 

If people want to contribute then they contribute. If not then they don't.

We certainly do not need some " elite " club title filling people with false expectations of grandeur.

Only to be let down by the reality of " oh snap, that's a real person with human reactions. "

 

Perfect example is how misguided so many on here are about the title " Community Ace "

That is only defined by your own expectations and self definition rather than what it truly was

or meant to be.

 

 



_A_3_ #10 Posted 10 June 2019 - 10:06 AM

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I nominate Ace_BOTlistic_CosmowhatchaMacallhim

Flounder of Warplanes forum 2.0

 

 

 


Edited by _A_3_, 10 June 2019 - 10:06 AM.


trikke #11 Posted 10 June 2019 - 10:41 AM

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I second the motion for SpiritFox and wylie
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wylleEcoyote #12 Posted 10 June 2019 - 11:00 AM

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View Postlosttwo, on 10 June 2019 - 04:18 AM, said:

 

While you and Prenze boast about bombing skill I have not seen one video yet on how to do it efficiently.

Have not even seen any show off video's showing skill in bombers.



Because making "Good" videos is a full time job. and the definition of a low pay yet high skill labor. Ask Magus..
Writing, Video capture, the Editing of both, AND having a face for Radio in one package is hard to come by.
that still comes out to almost 20 man-hours for an hour of video.

Just checking prenzlaus latest poll wherein he asks "Bombing. On a scale of 1(mindless) to 5 (impossible) just how hard can it really be?"
Its up to 3 pages pf responses in a day or so and no one really agrees enough on anything you could call a General Purpose Bomber Doctrines  beyond ...
"you can do alot of stuff in a bomber with a well armed 12 point gunner" ..
"there are alot of things that you need to do all at the same time. of those things what is most important varies for one second to the next" 
also
"HA great Troll/Poll!  Bombers are the useless windo licking scumbag clickers of WarPlanes. like Artillery in WoT and Carriers in WoWs. Ban them already"

Ask  any video maker here how watchable that 10 minute video is...

Not do discount what others go through playing the forum game...

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wylleEcoyote #13 Posted 10 June 2019 - 11:05 AM

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Fair warning. My success rate at speculative guesswork is very hit or miss. Usually I start on the right track and then a make a weird left turn and get lost in the weeds ... 
And yet it doesn't stop me from speculation.
Specialist Planes i have:
USA: XP-31, F1C-2, Model 81A-1, P-40, F4F, P-38F, P-39N-1, P-47B, P-38J, XF15C, XP-58 

USSR: Tu-1  UK: DH.100 F1. Japan: not even once. France: SE 100
Germany: Fw 56, He 112, Fw 190 A-5, Bf 109 B, Bf 109 E, Bf 109 E-3, Me209 A, Do 17 Z, Do 217 M, Hs 123, Ha 137, Hs 129 A, Ju 87 G, Me 265, Me 1099 B-2,  Bf 110 C-6, Me 410, Do 335 A-1,


Stygian_Alchemist #14 Posted 10 June 2019 - 12:17 PM

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View Postlosttwo, on 10 June 2019 - 03:18 AM, said:

I also think they should bring back three man flights so we can actually teach new players in game.

I bet I could learn a lot from you and Prenz if I was sitting in your cockpits watch you.

Then again the ghostrider would have to be reverted back the way it was.

 

While you and Prenze boast about bombing skill I have not seen one video yet on how to do it efficiently.

Have not even seen any show off video's showing skill in bombers.

 

One of the reasons I changed my signature from videographer to what it is was lack of submissions.

I have to admit I have been gone for a few years.


the title " Community Ace "

That is only defined by your own expectations and self definition rather than what it truly was

or meant to be.

 

 

First, your opinion was noted already. 
Second, I don't do videos because I have a potato for a laptop. I'd upload my replays, but there's no where to do that (unlike WoT) and after a while they're moot as there's no way to play them back.
Third, I have taught people how to bomb. You want to learn more? I can probably teach you more by flying with you or watching video of -you- flying and dissecting it than I ever could trying to make a video for it anyway as bombers aren't a hard/fast doctrine sort of plane. 90% of their flying is reactionary strategy and weights of probabilities and guesses.
Fourth, you're right.. you've been away for years. What was, is no longer. Time to build something new from the structure of the old.
Fifth, that's a problem more so with the management of the community aces. Both by themselves and by actual WG management. Something that can be fixed.

Whew.

Editing to address 3-man flights: I prefer the 2-man system given the nature of the game. Either that or it needs to be a free for all and I can queue in with as many of my friends as will fit on the team. Just my two cents there. I don't see 3-man flights doing anything but creating more favor toward those who win the popularity contest.
 

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Because making "Good" videos is a full time job. and the definition of a low pay yet high skill labor. Ask Magus..
Writing, Video capture, the Editing of both, AND having a face for Radio in one package is hard to come by.
that still comes out to almost 20 man-hours for an hour of video.

Just checking prenzlaus latest poll wherein he asks "Bombing. On a scale of 1(mindless) to 5 (impossible) just how hard can it really be?"
Its up to 3 pages pf responses in a day or so and no one really agrees enough on anything you could call a General Purpose Bomber Doctrines  beyond ...
"you can do alot of stuff in a bomber with a well armed 12 point gunner" ..
"there are alot of things that you need to do all at the same time. of those things what is most important varies for one second to the next" 
also
"HA great Troll/Poll!  Bombers are the useless windo licking scumbag clickers of WarPlanes. like Artillery in WoT and Carriers in WoWs. Ban them already"

Ask  any video maker here how watchable that 10 minute video is...

Not do discount what others go through playing the forum game...

Spoiler







 

 

THANK YOU. That's EXACTLY why people don't do video. There's no simple/fast way to do it especially due to the arcane nature of the replays.

Also, yes, you are one of the loved ones. Precisely because you're your neurotic self and you dissect and consider and let us in on your thought processes. To me, that's the definition of a community leader/advisor which is what the CA program really ought to be about. 

Edited by White_Widow18, 10 June 2019 - 12:20 PM.


Ace_BOTlistic_Cosmo #15 Posted 10 June 2019 - 02:42 PM

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View Post_A_3_, on 10 June 2019 - 05:06 AM, said:

I nominate Ace_BOTlistic_CosmowhatchaMacallhim

Flounder of Warplanes forum 2.0


if the pilot's good, see, I mean, if he's really..sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low [he spreads his arms like wings and laughs],

you oughtta see it sometime, it's a sight. A big plane like a '52. VRROOM! There's jet exhaust, fryin' chickens in the barnyard.


Ace_BOTlistic_Cosmo #16 Posted 10 June 2019 - 02:52 PM

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View PostwylleEcoyote, on 10 June 2019 - 06:05 AM, said:

SpeakIng for myself

lol... nice tag

outta pluses

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if the pilot's good, see, I mean, if he's really..sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low [he spreads his arms like wings and laughs],

you oughtta see it sometime, it's a sight. A big plane like a '52. VRROOM! There's jet exhaust, fryin' chickens in the barnyard.


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View Postlosttwo, on 10 June 2019 - 07:39 AM, said:

Community Aces has long gone by the way side.

 

 

 

I think the advent of bots in 1.5 sort of started the slide of CAs to the dustbin of WoWP forum history.  

 

I mean, we love to blame bots for almost everything, but many of the problems in the game have roots in the lack of human players.  There is not much "community" any more.  The only thing that even comes close to the old days is the Community Game Night that mnbv_fockewulf puts on.  That flying has a whole different feel.  More relaxed overall, even though the opposition is almost always superior to any bot you've ever chased.



losttwo #18 Posted 10 June 2019 - 06:51 PM

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View PostCorvusCorvax, on 10 June 2019 - 01:36 PM, said:

I think the advent of bots in 1.5 sort of started the slide of CAs to the dustbin of WoWP forum history.  

 

I mean, we love to blame bots for almost everything, but many of the problems in the game have roots in the lack of human players.  There is not much "community" any more.  The only thing that even comes close to the old days is the Community Game Night that mnbv_fockewulf puts on.  That flying has a whole different feel.  More relaxed overall, even though the opposition is almost always superior to any bot you've ever chased.

 

actually it was long before bots were introduced.

We were suppose to get together and work on projects together.

Projects like skins, video's and various things.

We even had a special section in the forums only we had access too.

 

I think they removed the section before 1.4 hard to remember something so unimportant.

About the only one in here now that is anything close to a Community Ace

would be mnbv_fockewulf for his Community Project of gathering every one to fly together in matches

and the other MOD'rs like Dr.Sinsiter. I can't remember the other MODers names.

 

I find it hilarious that people think it's a behavior issue and that Community Ace's have to behave a particular way.

The CA program is long since dead. Now we just have titles. Toilet paper has more value than the title.



Ace_BOTlistic_Cosmo #19 Posted 10 June 2019 - 07:21 PM

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View Postlosttwo, on 10 June 2019 - 01:51 PM, said:

 

actually it was long before bots were introduced.

We were suppose to get together and work on projects together.

Projects like skins, video's and various things.

We even had a special section in the forums only we had access too.

 

I think they removed the section before 1.4 hard to remember something so unimportant.

About the only one in here now that is anything close to a Community Ace

would be mnbv_fockewulf for his Community Project of gathering every one to fly together in matches

and the other MOD'rs like Dr.Sinsiter. I can't remember the other MODers names.

 

I find it hilarious that people think it's a behavior issue and that Community Ace's have to behave a particular way.

The CA program is long since dead. Now we just have titles. Toilet paper has more value than the title.

ya,

you can at least roll a pathetic spliff outta toilet paper

so... ya


if the pilot's good, see, I mean, if he's really..sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low [he spreads his arms like wings and laughs],

you oughtta see it sometime, it's a sight. A big plane like a '52. VRROOM! There's jet exhaust, fryin' chickens in the barnyard.


losttwo #20 Posted 10 June 2019 - 07:41 PM

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View PostAce_BOTlistic_Cosmo, on 10 June 2019 - 02:21 PM, said:

ya,

you can at least roll a pathetic spliff outta toilet paper

so... ya

 

:great:





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