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wylleEcoyote #21 Posted 07 June 2019 - 08:43 PM

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Magus posted a video about it.
The TL;DR

He took the wallet warrior option. And was instantly gratified with a sexy looking plane. (that he has only wanted in the game for 7 years)
and then installed a cruise build with a Lightweight engine. and Charlotte von Stuben
(thinking that it is a heavy because 2 engines and 2 Mk 103's).

Wins the game chasing bombers and the occasional heavy.
Says it reminds him of flying a Me109 B in tier 4.

He now thinks that the Do 355 is soooo 2018 and that the Horton is where its at for 2019.

And for high altitude air superiority he may have a point.

 

Edited by wylleEcoyote, 07 June 2019 - 09:01 PM.

Fair warning. My success rate at speculative guesswork is very hit or miss. Usually I start on the right track and then a make a weird left turn and get lost in the weeds ... 
And yet it doesn't stop me from speculation.
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Germany: Fw 56, He 112, Fw 190 A-5, Bf 109 B, Bf 109 E, Bf 109 E-3, Me209 A, Do 17 Z, Do 217 M, Hs 123, Ha 137, Ju 87 G, Me 265, Me 1099 B-2,  Bf 110 C-6, Me 410, Do 335 A-1,


Stygian_Alchemist #22 Posted 07 June 2019 - 08:49 PM

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View Postmnbv_fockewulfe, on 07 June 2019 - 11:02 AM, said:

 

Do you have the horten yet?

 

Hard grinding it, already spent tokens to extend the mission out a ways so I can keep working on it. Seems an interesting enough plane to put the play-time in for and I earn an average of 15+ tokens a day so using 1 a day to extend it (since an extension costs 2 and lasts 2 days) hasn't hurt my feelings yet. I figure that's what... 30 tokens to extend it the full length of the time available? Either way, I intend to own it. If nothing else she'll make a beautiful hangar queen!

Stygian_Alchemist #23 Posted 07 June 2019 - 08:55 PM

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View PostwylleEcoyote, on 07 June 2019 - 02:43 PM, said:

Magus posted a video about it.
The TL;DR

He took the wallet warrior option. And was instantly gratified with a sexy looking plane. (that he has only wanted in the game for 7 years)
and then installed a cruise build with a Lightweight engine. and Charlotte von Stuben
(thinking that it is a heavy because 2 engines and 2 Mk 103's).

Wins the game chasing bombers and the occasional heavy.
Says it reminds him of flying a Me109 B in tier 4.

He now thinks that the Do 355 is soooo 2018 and that the Horton is where its at for 2019.

 

It reminds me -slightly- of a faster TA-152 based on the specs. Except with a bigger cross section it would appear and jet engines instead of props. You trade in quite a bit of maneuver capacity (especially roll) for a... I guess decent amount of speed increase, especially as its a jet.. but yea.. it reminds me of the "off" german LF line and I dunno if that's a promising and good thing or not, but I have some theories on it based on how the T10 German -MRF- played out and its creepy similarity there.... (obviously not the guns, but those handling characteristics are in almost the same ballpark which says to me that the Ho is rather powerful for its tier if not the fact its supposed to be an LF)

Edited by White_Widow18, 07 June 2019 - 09:00 PM.


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View PostwylleEcoyote, on 07 June 2019 - 08:43 PM, said:

Magus posted a video about it.
The TL;DR

He took the wallet warrior option. And was instantly gratified with a sexy looking plane. (that he has only wanted in the game for 7 years)
and then installed a cruise build with a Lightweight engine. and Charlotte von Stuben
(thinking that it is a heavy because 2 engines and 2 Mk 103's).

Wins the game chasing bombers and the occasional heavy.
Says it reminds him of flying a Me109 B in tier 4.

He now thinks that the Do 355 is soooo 2018 and that the Horton is where its at for 2019.

 

Well, I think he's wrong about that.  I watched his video, and the Horten, even the way he played it, isn't really all that special.  I had an idea that with a speed build, it could be a less-fragile J8M.  The MK103s are pretty nice, I have to admit.  I tire quickly of the MK108s' lack of range and velocity, but you get used to them.  So far, I have shot down 5 Hortens, and been shot down by them zero times.  Color me, currently, unimpressed.

wylleEcoyote #25 Posted 07 June 2019 - 10:14 PM

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As I acquire more and more German tier 8's (premium and Tech) I am reaching the conclusion that they are all evolving further and further into Niche planes.
They do one thing very well. Figure it out and you will profit handsomely.

Deviate too far from that niche role and you get Balanced, vigorously.

Example: Magus showed how Horton can clean up bombers and heavies with only moderate effort.
When i have attempted to do the same thing in an Me 209 A with a Specialized Turn Build
... I eat a bunch of crits and the bomber more often than not survives to do its thing. and i wind up in a hanger unless i give up.

At the same time that Me 209 A can give just about any light fighter in its tier a run for its money if you know what you are doing.
While i dont see a Horton dog fighting anything with one engine with success. The occasional surprise B&Z is certainly an option but that is as far as that goes.

A Do 355 'can' be a high alt air superiority heavy ...
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And yet a tricked out SEAD focus is insane on this bird

the BV P.203 is pretty much a tier 8 Me 410. But with Premium Credit multipliers.
Do well with one and you do well with the other. Even the crews match up.
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Compare and contrast that to the Me 265  High SPEED attack runs against anything that flies.
Spoiler
. The BV P.203 is tanky enough to sit still and hammer something to death. The ME 265 is  certainly not
 
ANd that rounds out the high altitude fighter stuff.
Except for the Tech Bomber. It is the ultimate expression of the playstyle introduced in the tier 6 variant.

GAA are doing their own thing and im not gonna get into it here.
TL;Dr


I cant say much more about the MR lines and premiums. I dont have them.
If i had to guess ...
Spoiler

Edited by wylleEcoyote, 07 June 2019 - 11:23 PM.

Fair warning. My success rate at speculative guesswork is very hit or miss. Usually I start on the right track and then a make a weird left turn and get lost in the weeds ... 
And yet it doesn't stop me from speculation.
Specialist Planes i have:
USA: XP-31, F1C-2, Model 81A-1, P-40, F4F, P-38F, P-39N-1, P-47B, P-38J, XF15C, XP-58 

USSR: Tu-1  UK: DH.100 F1. Japan: not even once. France: SE 100
Germany: Fw 56, He 112, Fw 190 A-5, Bf 109 B, Bf 109 E, Bf 109 E-3, Me209 A, Do 17 Z, Do 217 M, Hs 123, Ha 137, Ju 87 G, Me 265, Me 1099 B-2,  Bf 110 C-6, Me 410, Do 335 A-1,


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View PostwylleEcoyote, on 07 June 2019 - 02:14 PM, said:

As I acquire more and more German tier 8's (premium and Tech) I am reaching the conclusion that they are all evolving further and further into Niche planes.
They do one thing very well. Figure it out and you will profit handsomely.

Deviate too far from that niche role and you get Balanced, vigorously.

Example: Magus showed how Horton can clean up bombers and heavies with only moderate effort.
When i have attempted to do the same thing in an Me 209 A with a Specialized Turn Build
... I eat a bunch of crits and the bomber more often than not survives to do its thing. and i wind up in a hanger unless i give up.

At the same time that Me 209 A can give just about any light fighter in its tier a run for its money if you know what you are doing.
While i dont see a Horton dog fighting anything with one engine with success. The occasional surprise B&Z is certainly an option but that is as far as that goes.

A Do 355 'can' be a high alt air superiority heavy ...
but it has a high alpha ordinance package with a long cool down. 
Which is just not a thing that you do with german tech tree heavy planes.
And yet a tricked out SEAD focus is insane on this bird

the BV P.203 is pretty much a tier 8 Me 410. But with Premium Credit multipliers. Its as subtle and as effective as a brick in a sock. 
That brick metaphor extends to its aerodynamics too. 

Compare and contrast that to the Me 265 262  High SPEED attack runs against anything that flies. With a  gun package that take skill to connect with at those speeds. If you do connect the defender is screwed no matter what they fly. if you miss ...  just  keep on going. The BV P.203 is tanky enough to sit still and hammer something to death. The ME 265 262 is  certainly not
 
ANd that rounds out the high altitude Heavy stuff.
Except for the Tech Bomber. It is the ultimate expression of the playstyle introduced in the tier 6 variant.

GAA are doing their own thing and im not gonna get into it here except to say the best way to hard counter an IL is to Steal his ground kills anf Then shoot the basterd down.  If your dyslexia gets it switched up Amigo, then you wind up in a raping the horses and riding off on the women situation ...

I cant say much more about the MR lines and premiums. I dont have them.
From what others have said in the forums its all Rock(ets) & Roll(rates) shenanigans with the bat planes.
While the Ta line is the fighter every wehr-a-boo wants the Fw 190's to be.

I dont know where an Me 109 TL fits in all that.
Because the first rule of Me109Tl club is "THere is No Me 109 tl Club"
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262. The 265 is a GAA.

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mnbv_fockewulfe #27 Posted 07 June 2019 - 10:21 PM

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View PostWhite_Widow18, on 07 June 2019 - 08:49 PM, said:

 

Hard grinding it, already spent tokens to extend the mission out a ways so I can keep working on it. Seems an interesting enough plane to put the play-time in for and I earn an average of 15+ tokens a day so using 1 a day to extend it (since an extension costs 2 and lasts 2 days) hasn't hurt my feelings yet. I figure that's what... 30 tokens to extend it the full length of the time available? Either way, I intend to own it. If nothing else she'll make a beautiful hangar queen!

 

So don't complain about people wanting more time to work on it. 

Kind of dumb that the time to complete it expires without having to activate the mission.


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View Postmnbv_fockewulfe, on 07 June 2019 - 04:21 PM, said:

 

So don't complain about people wanting more time to work on it. 

Kind of dumb that the time to complete it expires without having to activate the mission.

 

ROFL

You don't even play.. literally I don't care.. and it's kinda dumb when you've been playing this long not to understand what's going on. I'm not sure why I even clicked to read the drivel that you typed.

Carry on though.

mnbv_fockewulfe #29 Posted 07 June 2019 - 11:38 PM

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But ya did.

Obviously my opinion means something to you.:trollface:


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View PostwylleEcoyote, on 06 June 2019 - 03:25 PM, said:

Because Time Flies even when you dont.

 

love that line


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View PostStoptheViolins, on 07 June 2019 - 02:45 PM, said:

 

 

I read through the article again and there is zero info saying the op order is only active for 2 days.  The above implies it is active until July 2.  WG has 2 Op orders that are indefinite.  Between the above info and the existence of the Vampire and XP-55 op orders there wasn't any reason to assume it was a 2 day only op order and tokens were required to actually give anyone the full time period to complete the special mission.

 

Had I had been told up front in the WG article that it was a 48 hour mission I would have waited until the weekend to activate it so I could have time to slog through as many of the missions as I could before I either got more tokens or just completed the mission parts with certificates.

 

I was motivated to do the mission sans certificates until this big disappointment dropped. I don't care if I can re-activate it at a later date by tossing tokens at it - it's the fact that there was no indication up front it wasn't a special op order that was available until July 2. There was ZERO indication that this wasn't a special op order that didn't need tokens to get the entire time to complete the series of missions.

 

Felt very bait and switch.

 

The Vampire and the XP-55 are not Op Orders, they are personal missions. Because they are different from Op Orders, there's a special article about them explaining it. The Horten is an Op Order, that works the same way as any other Op Order has ever worked. As there's nothing special and different about this particular Op Order it is surely not mentioned. Simply because it works like every Op Order ever introduced. 



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View PostwylleEcoyote, on 07 June 2019 - 03:43 PM, said:

Magus posted a video about it.
The TL;DR

He took the wallet warrior option. And was instantly gratified with a sexy looking plane. (that he has only wanted in the game for 7 years)
and then installed a cruise build with a Lightweight engine. and Charlotte von Stuben
(thinking that it is a heavy because 2 engines and 2 Mk 1

Wins the game chasing bombers and the occasional heavy.
Says it reminds him of flying a Me109 B in tier 4.

He now thinks that the Do 355 is soooo 2018 and that the Horton is where its at for 2019.

And for high altitude air superiority he may have a point.

 

 

It took some time and 1 extension but I got it faster by using 50 certs. Just because there are some things that you do

daily but can't seem to do (at least I can't) when you start chasing them. I've tried to fly it as instructed by Magus in the

video, well because he's MAGUS. I only have about 8 flights in it so far, but they have all been wins. I like it well enough

to have fun even though I have failed to make the top 3 a few times.

 

Oh, I forgot. For all intents and purposes it IS a heavy fighter. :)


Edited by SkyWolf__WM, 13 June 2019 - 01:47 PM.

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View PostSkyWolf__WM, on 13 June 2019 - 01:44 PM, said:

 

Oh, I forgot. For all intents and purposes it IS a heavy fighter. :)


^^^this is the hard truth.

 

And it's BIG, so it's a big target.  It has a couple of quirks that I have been enjoying, and two that I do not.  The first is the size - Planes that have any kind of cannon/long-range guns can crit you easily.  That's also an upside for when you go up against them.  But the other quirk that is really vexing is how long it takes an engine crit to turn from red to yellow - I swear, last night I had an engine crit last nearly a minute.  I am going to have to pay closer attention to this, and maybe load an engine restarter, or equip engine armor.  The other performance quirk I'll hold close to the vest.  It is very useful in combat situations.

 

Oh, and opening fire at max range usually doesn't produce positive results.  Wait until you're under 1000m, and the shells have MUCH more effect.  One caveat:  against bombers, hanging out at 1100m is worthwhile, so that you mostly stay out of range of their guns.  Of course, human-piloted bombers with equipment and high-skill gunners can still reach out and touch you at over 1000m.

 

This plane seems to retain energy okay when you're not turning.  Even then, it's acceptable.  And the great thing is that in a head-on with about any light fighter or MRF, your shells will straight up delete them before they get into range.  Do watch out for Batplanes with rockets.  They have greater range than your guns.



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View PostwylleEcoyote, on 07 June 2019 - 10:14 PM, said:

 If your dyslexia gets it switched up Amigo, then you can wind up in a raping the horses and riding off on the women situation ...

 

"pillage THEN burn."


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