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losttwo #1 Posted 03 June 2019 - 08:56 PM

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OK, I admit in my age I have forgotten a lot of math.

I rarely use it or have used it in the last 10 years.

Sure I can count on my fingers and count change.

I even know when 2+2=5.

 

SO how do I figure the survival rating of the particular plane.

I have flown:

    86 total sorties and selected the plane 34 times at start of battle.

So if 34 is total battles then would it be the " is " or the " of "

Would 39.53 % be correct or would it be 29.24 %



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When does 2+2=5

 

 

When its wrong



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View Postlosttwo, on 03 June 2019 - 02:56 PM, said:

 

    86 total sorties and selected the plane 34 times at start of battle.

 

 

I have found these stats about "selected at start of battle" to be way off.  And I mean way, way off.  I can probably count the number of times I have swapped planes on one hand, yet many of my statistics show similar to yours.  I am not sure where they are getting this data from, but it is flat out wrong IMO*.  So...  I would say good luck to finding out other percentages when this data is, to me, incorrect.  

 

Or, I am reading it wrong, but something like this:

 

 

Where 329 is number of sorties and 161 is "selected at start of battle".  I have never swapped out my IL-40P for another plane.  

 

Oh.... wait just a doggone minute, now I figured it out: 161 is the number of times I have played the IL-40P (since I never, ever have thought to swap to a different plane mid battle).  Sorties takes into account the number of times I have been destroyed and then respawned.  So 161 is my total battle count, and 329 minus 161 is the number of times I respawned due to death in the skies.  

 

Jeepers, they could have labeled this better.  Or... I am dense.  Or... both.  


Edited by Bobby_Tables, 03 June 2019 - 10:42 PM.


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View Postlosttwo, on 03 June 2019 - 08:57 PM, said:

When does 2+2=5

 

 

When its wrong

 

For when you have a large and small value of two.

Be sure to check your logic privileges before posting on the forum.

 


 


egikov #5 Posted 03 June 2019 - 10:50 PM

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View Postlosttwo, on 03 June 2019 - 02:56 PM, said:

OK, I admit in my age I have forgotten a lot of math.

I rarely use it or have used it in the last 10 years.

Sure I can count on my fingers and count change.

I even know when 2+2=5.

 

SO how do I figure the survival rating of the particular plane.

I have flown:

    86 total sorties and selected the plane 34 times at start of battle.

So if 34 is total battles then would it be the " is " or the " of "

Would 39.53 % be correct or would it be 29.24 %

 

Well if 86 is total - it is 100%.

So, 39.53% you chose that plane at the start of a battle - 34 times. ((34x100)/86= 39.53%). Maybe you didn't die, it's unknown.

60.47% this plane was chosen later in the battle. This means you died in some other plane before.

 

It has nothing to do with survival rating of this plane.

To find that you need to look at the stats, how many planes you destroyed and how many times you died flying a particular plane. For example, for my plane Ki-84, my combat efficiency is 7.38; 450 destroyed, 61 died (450/61=7.38).

I looked at the website, search for a player nick and plane stats. It might be also at the game client too, I'm not sure.

 

Edit: I don't think there is a stat about survival and sorties.


Edited by egikov, 03 June 2019 - 10:56 PM.


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View Postegikov, on 03 June 2019 - 05:50 PM, said:

 

Well if 86 is total - it is 100%.

So, 39.53% you chose that plane at the start of a battle - 34 times. ((34x100)/86= 39.53%). Maybe you didn't die, it's unknown.

60.47% this plane was chosen later in the battle. This means you died in some other plane before.

 

It has nothing to do with survival rating of this plane.

To find that you need to look at the stats, how many planes you destroyed and how many times you died flying a particular plane. For example, for my plane Ki-84, my combat efficiency is 7.38; 450 destroyed, 61 died (450/61=7.38).

I looked at the website, search for a player nick and plane stats. It might be also at the game client too, I'm not sure.

 

Edit: I don't think there is a stat about survival and sorties.

 

1,9 there were survival stats per plane and that was always important to me.

2.0 the only thing they have is " picked at start " of which I have never switched planes.

and sorties or AKA how many times you have respawned AKA killed.

Out of 34 battles I have died 86 times. Or reincarnated 86 times. Or resurrected 86 times.

Therefore it should be easy to calculate a survival rating %.

 

The other stat you mention is about efficiency not survival.

It is how well you kill things in battle.
 



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View Postlosttwo, on 03 June 2019 - 05:15 PM, said:

 

1,9 there were survival stats per plane and that was always important to me.

2.0 the only thing they have is " picked at start " of which I have never switched planes.

and sorties or AKA how many times you have respawned AKA killed.

Out of 34 battles I have died 86 times. Or reincarnated 86 times. Or resurrected 86 times.

Therefore it should be easy to calculate a survival rating %.

 

The other stat you mention is about efficiency not survival.

It is how well you kill things in battle.
 

 

So, according to you on 86/34 = 2.52 deaths per battle average. At that means you don't survive at all...

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View Postegikov, on 03 June 2019 - 06:27 PM, said:

 

So, according to you on 86/34 = 2.52 deaths per battle average. At that means you don't survive at all...

 

Wrong.

I either survive 29% or 39% of the 34 battles I have flown.

In 1.9 my survival rating over all was 48%

and of the 478 battles in the I-16(L) I survived 70% of the time. 334times I did not die during battle.

 

But I only destroyed 1.56 planes per battle average ( 1.9 )

In 2.o I am listed as 2.93 planes per sortie That number is averaged out all games.

if you do not die in battle that is counted as a single sortie.

Hence the number " Chosen at start of battle " is lower than the " sorties flown number "

Which would mean I have have survived 14 battles out of 34. Or it could be 10 times depending on the answer to the first question.

AKA no respawns


Edited by losttwo, 03 June 2019 - 11:58 PM.


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View PostCaptain_Underpants53, on 03 June 2019 - 07:12 PM, said:

My head hurts now.            :hiding:

 

Oh great, now I have Lynyrd Skynyrd " That Smell " stuck in my head.

egikov #11 Posted 04 June 2019 - 01:10 AM

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View Postlosttwo, on 03 June 2019 - 05:51 PM, said:

 

Wrong.

I either survive 29% or 39% of the 34 battles I have flown.

In 1.9 my survival rating over all was 48%

and of the 478 battles in the I-16(L) I survived 70% of the time. 334times I did not die during battle.

 

But I only destroyed 1.56 planes per battle average ( 1.9 )

In 2.o I am listed as 2.93 planes per sortie That number is averaged out all games.

if you do not die in battle that is counted as a single sortie.

Hence the number " Chosen at start of battle " is lower than the " sorties flown number "

Which would mean I have have survived 14 battles out of 34. Or it could be 10 times depending on the answer to the first question.

AKA no respawns

 

How do you get 29%?

I looked at game stats in the game client, and there is no "chosen at start of battle sorties" (confusing thing) - it shows number of battles and number of sorties. And of course, number of battles is less than number of sorties (because sorties are respawns).

So, 34 out of 86 is 39.53% you survived the whole battle. And 60.47% you didn't survive and there were more than 1 sortie in a battle.

I'm not a mathematician.



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View Postlosttwo, on 03 June 2019 - 03:56 PM, said:

OK, I admit in my age I have forgotten a lot of math.

I rarely use it or have used it in the last 10 years.

Sure I can count on my fingers and count change.

I even know when 2+2=5.

 

SO how do I figure the survival rating of the particular plane.

I have flown:

    86 total sorties and selected the plane 34 times at start of battle.

So if 34 is total battles then would it be the " is " or the " of "

Would 39.53 % be correct or would it be 29.24 %

how many times were you STILL alive at the end of the battle might be a question that needs answering

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if the pilot's good, see, I mean, if he's really..sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low [he spreads his arms like wings and laughs],

you oughtta see it sometime, it's a sight. A big plane like a '52. VRROOM! There's jet exhaust, fryin' chickens in the barnyard.


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86 sorties, 34 times selected at the beginning of a match. Assuming that you have never selected it as a backup for another plane means you average 2.53 (rounded) sorties per game the plane is chosen for. There isn't anything to indicate at any point you lived through an entire battle (stats don't exist for that) and even if you repsawned for 2 seconds and the game ended in a win it still counts that 2 seconds as a sortie. Meaning sorties per match is.. not the best indicator of anything either *shrug*

Your survival rate would be -153% if one death is considered a zero.

 



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i hate math, but i try to not die       dying uses up valuable time, but it does give you a clean plane

 

i understand that you may get more points (somehow) but i don't see how or why that's possible 

 

i often get down to a low hp percentage, but i can sometimes slip by without dying, and at least that gives me a sense of accomplishment 


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I use this calculation page.

https://percentagecalculator.net/

You still have to know what the figures represent though and I haven't done yours yet.

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View PostWhite_Widow18, on 03 June 2019 - 07:42 PM, said:

86 sorties, 34 times selected at the beginning of a match. Assuming that you have never selected it as a backup for another plane means you average 2.53 (rounded) sorties per game the plane is chosen for. There isn't anything to indicate at any point you lived through an entire battle (stats don't exist for that) and even if you repsawned for 2 seconds and the game ended in a win it still counts that 2 seconds as a sortie. Meaning sorties per match is.. not the best indicator of anything either *shrug*

Your survival rate would be -153% if one death is considered a zero.

 

 

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View PostBooze_Morgan, on 03 June 2019 - 08:56 PM, said:

 

Laughing.

 

she is correct... it would have to be a negative answer

because you survive LESS then you started

math is like that

it's how you word your claim

I could word it so you sound much better if you'd drop the word survival...

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you oughtta see it sometime, it's a sight. A big plane like a '52. VRROOM! There's jet exhaust, fryin' chickens in the barnyard.


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Survival rate is made irrelevant by re-spawns period.

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View PostPerco_lator, on 04 June 2019 - 02:23 AM, said:

Survival rate is made irrelevant by re-spawns period.

 

Exactly.  Real world statistics mean nothing in a game where you can get killed (multiple times) and win.

 

If you die twice in a game but survive the rest of the battle without dying, does that mean you had a survival rate of 33%?



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View Posttrikke, on 03 June 2019 - 07:43 PM, said:

 dying uses up valuable time, but it does give you a clean plane

 

 

I dunno about that.  When I respawn the cockpit is always filled with tree leaves and dirt from prior sorties. 

 

But I digress...  Back to the math:  I agree that the respawn mechanic makes the "survive percent" pretty much meaningless.  So it all falls back to victories/battle and I am pretty much looking into the mirror, and staring back at me is a mediocre player.  






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