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Booze_Morgan #41 Posted 18 June 2019 - 08:50 PM

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In a Tier 8 German Ga. Watching where 2 red GAs were attacking a mining plant, headed over there to defend it.  Was almost there when they locked it.  No prob there, but then the red GAs disappeared. They were nowhere to be seen. Poofed. No way those GAs made it out of all radar range that fast. Uh huh.

 

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Stygian_Alchemist #42 Posted 18 June 2019 - 08:54 PM

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View Posttrikke, on 18 June 2019 - 08:03 AM, said:

 

great pro tip!       

 

now...   i'll devote the next month to find the key that makes them go away     F13 = go shoot someone else, not me


The bots will literally act like you have forward cannons even if you do not. I.E. if you go straight down their throat, they break off and run. Only seems to work in normal flight mode, not turret or bombsight.


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And cheating BV. 210 bots, who get magical maneuverability EXACTLY when squall hits, who can out maneuver my undamaged BV. 210 with turning consumable active, pilot skills, equipment, etc. 

 

#RussianLogic.


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I will also label the "player bot" aggression level difference and differences in "player bot" skill level between aircraft types to be cheats.  It takes the player out of "player versus player" and essentially is giving one set of bots an unfair advantage over the other set of bots, which...is cheating. 

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CorvusCorvax #45 Posted 19 June 2019 - 12:41 PM

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View PostMercsn, on 19 June 2019 - 10:44 AM, said:

And cheating BV. 210 bots, who get magical maneuverability EXACTLY when squall hits, who can out maneuver my undamaged BV. 210 with turning consumable active, pilot skills, equipment, etc. 

 

#RussianLogic.

 

So you ARE starting to see the pattern!

 

The bots become more aggressive after the squall, and they also get a skill bump.  But, if you know that already, you have the advantage. 

 

I'll tell you some other stuff: Expert level bots know what control inputs you're making in real time.  That's how they know where not to be when you press the trigger.  Bot HFs know when you go into bombsight mode on your bomber.  ADA become more shifty and take less damage after the squall.



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View PostCorvusCorvax, on 19 June 2019 - 08:41 AM, said:

Bot HFs know when you go into bombsight mode on your bomber. 
ADA become more shifty and take less damage after the squall.


I can easily see why the devs coded the HF attack while in bombsight mode


I can't see the reason for bothering to add code to make ADA harder to kill after squall


but hey, you do notice more stuff than I do


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nwlxn12 #47 Posted 19 June 2019 - 05:31 PM

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It feels as if the enemy bots also know when you have them targeted.

CorvusCorvax #48 Posted 19 June 2019 - 08:08 PM

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View Postnwlxn12, on 19 June 2019 - 05:31 PM, said:

It feels as if the enemy bots also know when you have them targeted.

They do.  They turn as soon as you get into gun range.



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Man.. last night I was down by a node and 20 points so I went -hard- and ended up with 10 after squall kills and a win. I guess I shouldn't cheat like that huh?

CorvusCorvax #50 Posted 19 June 2019 - 09:49 PM

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View Posttrikke, on 19 June 2019 - 02:12 PM, said:


I can easily see why the devs coded the HF attack while in bombsight mode


I can't see the reason for bothering to add code to make ADA harder to kill after squall


but hey, you do notice more stuff than I do

 

I'm not sure, either.  But you can get directly on their tail, as they fly straight - then press the trigger.  Watch as their health bar remains static.  Keep watching.  Now wait until they turn.  Finally, except they don't melt like they did before squall.  Hmmm.  Are the hit boxes smaller, or are the planes just tougher?  I don't know.  They also don't seem to be as stupid, either - like they will turn from novice to expert, especially if they are the last remaining...



Mercsn #51 Posted 20 June 2019 - 02:31 PM

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Mercsn #52 Posted 20 June 2019 - 03:25 PM

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losttwo #53 Posted 20 June 2019 - 03:33 PM

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View PostCorvusCorvax, on 18 June 2019 - 08:33 AM, said:


Technically, bots can't cheat.  Literally cannot.  They are programmed to do certain stuff, and have certain abilities.  Their abilities and patterns are not hard to figure out.  Like, if you are playing a bomber, and there is a bot HF anywhere nearby, watch what happens if you go into bombsight mode.  They IMMEDIATELY attack.  You can sucker them into closing with you by going into bombsight mode.  It only took me a whole month to figure that one out. 

 

It appears as though you are having trouble observing the behavior and correlating that to how you should react.   Bot MRF are not particularly challenging to fight.  But they can be a PITA if you ignore them.  Especially MRF with sniper guns.

 

Two additional aircraft to not ignore when they get within 1.5km - Go-229 and Ta-152.  Know where they are.  Know what way they are pointed.  Take action accordingly.


Actually you are one hundred percent wrong. 

Did you know that  the bots are actually real people that are paid to play this game and pose as bots.

It is the current Air Force training regime of Soviet military before you qualify to fly actual planes. 

The U.S. is also planning on adopting this pre training system for our Air Force. 

The U.S. Army Armor units have been using it for some time now ( WOT ) 

It was discovered that it was more beneficial, fun and realistic than their previous UCOFT ( Unit Conduct Of Fire Training )  simulator training systems. 

Cheaper too. 

 

 



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View Postlosttwo, on 20 June 2019 - 03:33 PM, said:


Actually you are one hundred percent wrong. 

Did you know that  the bots are actually real people that are paid to play this game and pose as bots.

It is the current Air Force training regime of Soviet military before you qualify to fly actual planes. 

The U.S. is also planning on adopting this pre training system for our Air Force. 

The U.S. Army Armor units have been using it for some time now ( WOT ) 

It was discovered that it was more beneficial, fun and realistic than their previous UCOFT ( Unit Conduct Of Fire Training )  simulator training systems. 

Cheaper too. 

 

 

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and the stock begins to climb again. 

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AA gun aimbot and damage cheats.  Flak doing damage when not exploding anywhere near a player, drastically changing aim when you change course to avoid, AND prioritizing players over other bots.

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Mercsn #58 Posted 13 July 2019 - 05:20 PM

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Mercsn #59 Posted 13 July 2019 - 09:20 PM

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Bots of various tiers are using their knowledge of the entire map and all enemy locations inappropriately (aka "map hacks") to chase down players (head-hunting), when that player is not in range of other enemies and should not be "visible" on the map to the map hacking bot.

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View PostMercsn, on 13 July 2019 - 04:20 PM, said:

Bots of various tiers are using their knowledge of the entire map and all enemy locations inappropriately (aka "map hacks") to chase down players (head-hunting), when that player is not in range of other enemies and should not be "visible" on the map to the map hacking bot.

 

I'm not trying to pick a fight or anything - I'm looking for data. Is it possible that there was an opposing aircraft (either player or bot) who could see you but you couldn't see? That would easily explain this scenario IMO. AFAIK the only way to be sure of this would be if you could see where all of the opposing aircraft were, their view range, your view range, spotting distances, etc.

 

 

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