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Cardinal604 #21 Posted 03 June 2019 - 06:58 PM

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Regarding bots "cheating" by way of altitude is it jut me or are there a silly amount of bot GAs flying upwards of 3000ft ?

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View PostCardinal604, on 03 June 2019 - 12:58 PM, said:

Regarding bots "cheating" by way of altitude is it jut me or are there a silly amount of bot GAs flying upwards of 3000ft ?

 

Yep. Seen it lol

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View PostCardinal604, on 03 June 2019 - 01:58 PM, said:

Regarding bots "cheating" by way of altitude is it jut me or are there a silly amount of bot GAs flying upwards of 3000ft ?

 

View PostGreatBallsO_Fire_Jr, on 03 June 2019 - 02:03 PM, said:

 

Yep. Seen it lol

 

You don't fly your GA at high altitude ?

What do you do when you have all sectors captured ?



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21 games today only lost 3 or was it 4.

I lost 2 LBSH and one Bomber Do-17. Maybe 1 Fw-189

The rest of the GA and Bomber to get 200 AA where all wins.

 

Tell me again about bots cheating ?

 



Cardinal604 #25 Posted 03 June 2019 - 11:02 PM

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View Postlosttwo, on 03 June 2019 - 08:22 PM, said:

 

 

You don't fly your GA at high altitude ?

What do you do when you have all sectors captured ?

 

I do or im heading towards the sector I feel may be turned next... However these bots are doing this regardless of sector status. Kinda like how some bot GAs get stuck flying in circles at a sector their team has captured.

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Mercsn #26 Posted 05 June 2019 - 04:47 AM

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View PostPoliticallyIncorrectName, on 01 June 2019 - 03:00 PM, said:

The only cheating is in a way of altitude - bots seems to absolute ignore their plane's limits. Kinda sucks getting oneshot by Yak-9U @8k ft because da blyat of good balance.

 

This is because the bots get a flat % boost to most (all?) of the aircraft stats based on whether they are veteran or ace skill (novice skill, I'm guessing is a 100% plane).  The bots don't get pilot skills the way players do.  If you ever go head to head with a same type aircraft piloted by a skilled bot, he'll win the joust...he gets a damage boost along with altitude, turning, whatever all the stats modified by that % boost are.  It's a lazy way of building the bot ai, instead of figuring out a way to implement the pilot skills onto bots.

 

So, that yak-9u had a bot with enough of a skill boost to get higher altitude, higher speed, longer boost AND an aimbot level accuracy on the anti-tank gun he's toting.  Do-335A with ace bots are just, simply, hack...on the same principle. 


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Mercsn #27 Posted 05 June 2019 - 04:57 AM

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View Postlosttwo, on 03 June 2019 - 02:33 PM, said:

21 games today only lost 3 or was it 4.

I lost 2 LBSH and one Bomber Do-17. Maybe 1 Fw-189

The rest of the GA and Bomber to get 200 AA where all wins.

 

Tell me again about bots cheating ?

 

 

You are talking about the baby tiers before bots start getting veteran and ace ai skill level.  Veteran shows up at about tier 4 or 5 and Ace shows up at tier 8 (so in tier 7, if you land in a tier 8 match). 

 

I was about 100% the other day using my Wirraway during the time it took to do some tier 1-4 ground attack mission.  Or, that 20k, no death match in my Ar-67 just for funsies...  I'm not talking about the baby, Novice bots.  Jesus man.   Bragging about tier 1-4, that's like saying "I can swim in the Olympics because I did great in the kiddie pool!"

 

I'm talking about the big-boy bots that will melt your face if they end up with a veteran or ace skill in an HF (or as someone else pointed out, Yak MR fighters with their large caliber guns).  Ask that Do-335A or Tu-1 bot how he popped you, while you're maneuvering in a dogfight, from over 1km out.  He won't tell you, but I will: besides aimbot, he's got range, damage AND auto-aim boost (how likely his shell is to track your aircraft if his initial firing point would put it "close enough"). 


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Mercsn #28 Posted 05 June 2019 - 05:00 AM

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View Postmnbv_fockewulfe, on 01 June 2019 - 03:04 PM, said:

The only cheating the bots do is they're server side control and aim.

Bots do not have special ammo and are not allowed to use pilot skills, equipment, or consumables. 

 

While they don't have pilot skills or special ammo, what they DO have is a flat % boost to the aircraft stats based on which of the 3 skill levels they have.  It's why some bots will do more damage than players in the same aircraft, or fly higher, boost longer, fly faster, etc, in addition to the impossible aimbot-aim that you point out. 

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View Postmad_dog_morgan, on 02 June 2019 - 09:56 PM, said:

you got bashed by the WG shills son give up these guys will take anyone down that has a go at there masters 

 

It's nice to hear a clear voice of reason in the cacophony.


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View Postlosttwo, on 02 June 2019 - 07:46 AM, said:

OK, OK, wthdude.

I decided to look at your game stats.

You win more than you lose, so who is cheating who ?

61.20% win rate and you are whining about losing a couple of matches.

 

Wait a minute...I just caught on to what you are doing with this post.

 

Your post must be SARCASM...can't believe I fell for it.

 

Ya, and I only have one meta plane in my most played (and most of that was before specialization was a thing).  Which is my point.  I'd get to see "Victory" even more often if the bots weren't cheating...and I like seeing "Victory"!

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Mercsn #31 Posted 17 June 2019 - 07:39 AM

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I'm going to bump this because I just did a couple back to back matches where the Yak-9 and Yak-9u bots were cheating fairly hard.  They were exceeding the altitude limit and, of course, firing homing bullets with their aimbot crap logic. 

 

Tone that bot cheating down to semi-possible human levels.


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View PostMercsn, on 17 June 2019 - 02:39 AM, said:

I'm going to bump this because I just did a couple back to back matches where the Yak-9 and Yak-9u bots were cheating fairly hard.  They were exceeding the altitude limit and, of course, firing homing bullets with their aimbot crap logic. 

 

Tone that bot cheating down to semi-possible human levels.


:facepalm: Geeeze dude. Give it a rest already. You are becoming the new HHJ. :amazed:


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Booze_Morgan #33 Posted 17 June 2019 - 03:51 PM

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Mercsm. Dude. Just fail to suck.  All it takes.

 

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And a cheating Attacker and Javelin bot in a tier 9/10 match.

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View PostSkyWolf__WM, on 17 June 2019 - 09:49 AM, said:


:facepalm: Geeeze dude. Give it a rest already. You are becoming the new HHJ. :amazed:

 

I'll give it a rest when the bots don't get to cheat.  Would you be OK with players being allowed to cheat?  You're mindset is exactly what the machines hope for. 


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View PostMercsn, on 17 June 2019 - 09:03 PM, said:

 

I'll give it a rest when the bots don't get to cheat.  Would you be OK with players being allowed to cheat?  You're mindset is exactly what the machines hope for. 

 

:teethhappy:  I'm watching an English series where synths (bots) gain cognizance.  So the bots have developed hope?

 

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View PostMercsn, on 17 June 2019 - 10:03 PM, said:

 

I'll give it a rest when the bots don't get to cheat.  Would you be OK with players being allowed to cheat?  You're mindset is exactly what the machines hope for. 

Heh.... Ok... you are officially the "new" HHJ. :child:

If players WERE actually cheating in a way that I could watch a replay of or look at screenshot to verify. Sorry IF I can't take you at your word. :teethhappy:

Heh... MY mindset is NOT what the "machines" hoped for. :teethhappy: I'm medically and legally certified Brain damaged, stroked out, and 5150. I'm one of those people your mommy told you to avoid.:sceptic:

Heh... my mindset. You are butthurt and a "bit" over the top with your bovine fecal matter. :B


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View PostMercsn, on 18 June 2019 - 03:03 AM, said:

 

I'll give it a rest when the bots don't get to cheat.  Would you be OK with players being allowed to cheat?  You're mindset is exactly what the machines hope for. 


Technically, bots can't cheat.  Literally cannot.  They are programmed to do certain stuff, and have certain abilities.  Their abilities and patterns are not hard to figure out.  Like, if you are playing a bomber, and there is a bot HF anywhere nearby, watch what happens if you go into bombsight mode.  They IMMEDIATELY attack.  You can sucker them into closing with you by going into bombsight mode.  It only took me a whole month to figure that one out. 

 

It appears as though you are having trouble observing the behavior and correlating that to how you should react.   Bot MRF are not particularly challenging to fight.  But they can be a PITA if you ignore them.  Especially MRF with sniper guns.

 

Two additional aircraft to not ignore when they get within 1.5km - Go-229 and Ta-152.  Know where they are.  Know what way they are pointed.  Take action accordingly.



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View PostCorvusCorvax, on 18 June 2019 - 09:33 AM, said:

 Their abilities and patterns are not hard to figure out.  Like, if you are playing a bomber, and there is a bot HF anywhere nearby, watch what happens if you go into bombsight mode.  They IMMEDIATELY attack.  You can sucker them into closing with you by going into bombsight mode.  It only took me a whole month to figure that one out.

 

great pro tip!       

 

now...   i'll devote the next month to find the key that makes them go away     F13 = go shoot someone else, not me


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View Posttrikke, on 18 June 2019 - 02:03 PM, said:

 

great pro tip!       

 

now...   i'll devote the next month to find the key that makes them go away     F13 = go shoot someone else, not me

 

What makes them go away is closing with them and attacking them with your turrets.  Zap them long and hard until they are dead.  Then, specialist happens!

 






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