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[Mercsn]

As titled.  Allowing computers to cheat vs humans is just not a good idea, in anything.

 

For those of us with limited game time, who work for a living (unlike lazy game developers) trying to complete a mission that requires "must win" and being foiled by cheating bots provides for a fairly terrible game experience. 

 

Remember the golden rule:  "Does this feature make the game better? If not, don't do it".  Cheating bots does not make the game better.

Edited by Mercsn, 01 June 2019 - 08:59 PM.

[lnnokentiy]

The only cheating is in a way of altitude - bots seems to absolute ignore their plane's limits. Kinda sucks getting oneshot by Yak-9U @8k ft because da blyat of good balance.

[mnbv_fockewulfe]

The only cheating the bots do is they're server side control and aim.

Bots do not have special ammo and are not allowed to use pilot skills, equipment, or consumables. 

[White_Widow18]

First; How, exactly, does a computer program written to behave exactly how it does.. "cheat"? That's a question I've been wondering for a while. Second, I have yet to find anything the bots do that I cannot reproduce as a human player.

Creepy accuracy with long range cannons? Check
Ability to bee-line across a map after the same target repeatedly? Check
Almost-infinite boost by feathering it? Check
Almost infinite cool-down cycle from weapons by firing in bursts? Check
Responding to the actions of the pursuing aircraft in real-time by observing them while flying? (that "look back" camera is surprisingly useful folks) Check
Not appearing on the minimap until they're on top of you? *pats her camo and NRE* Check.
Breaking off before the damage from a turret is serious enough to keep you from just waiting a second or two and running right back in and ripping up the target? Check.
Going well above altitude "limit"? Check (I regularly go a couple thousand feet into the red on several planes. By managing speed and boost.)

That's all the accusations of the bots "cheating" that I have heard and all of them are able to be reproduced  by a human player of decent skill.

To add: The bots do have some behaviors I find -exceedingly annoying- and I do think -some- changes need to be made.. but I have never observed one to actually cheat.

Edited by White_Widow18, 01 June 2019 - 09:08 PM.

[Bulcsu]

Just please stop crashing in caps, bot teammates.

[losttwo]

Mercsn, on 01 June 2019 - 03:43 PM, said:

As titled.  Allowing computers to cheat vs humans is just not a good idea, in anything.

 

For those of us with limited game time, who work for a living (unlike lazy game developers) trying to complete a mission that requires "must win" and being foiled by cheating bots provides for a fairly terrible game experience. 

 

Remember the golden rule:  "Does this feature make the game better? If not, don't do it".  Cheating bots does not make the game better.

 

Am I remembering correctly or am I wrong ?

You play in New Zealand ?

I do not think it has anything to do with bots cheating but everything to do with your lag and location.

Maybe, perhaps, I do not know.

Just a wild guess as I try to dig through my memory that has a lower win rate than my WOWP account.

 

As for bots cheating.

Never seen it nor experienced it.

Not that it isn't possible.

The stuff bots do now a day's.

From vacuuming my floor to flying over my house on a pre programmed flight path taking video.

Wouldn't surprise me one bit if one bot has sold cheat codes to other bots to purchase black market lube.

Heck for a couple thousand dollars you can get one for sex, who needs a wife, am I right.

 

Like White Widow stated above and I would like to add. Check your play style. It might be you, your system or any number of things other than bots.

[SkyWolf__WM]

mnbv_fockewulfe, on 01 June 2019 - 04:04 PM, said:

The only cheating the bots do is they're server side control and aim.

Bots do not have special ammo and are not allowed to use pilot skills, equipment, or consumables. 

 

This. 

[SkyWolf__WM]

White_Widow18, on 01 June 2019 - 04:05 PM, said:

First; How, exactly, does a computer program written to behave exactly how it does.. "cheat"? That's a question I've been wondering for a while. Second, I have yet to find anything the bots do that I cannot reproduce as a human player.

Creepy accuracy with long range cannons? Check
Ability to bee-line across a map after the same target repeatedly? Check
Almost-infinite boost by feathering it? Check
Almost infinite cool-down cycle from weapons by firing in bursts? Check
Responding to the actions of the pursuing aircraft in real-time by observing them while flying? (that "look back" camera is surprisingly useful folks) Check
Not appearing on the minimap until they're on top of you? *pats her camo and NRE* Check.
Breaking off before the damage from a turret is serious enough to keep you from just waiting a second or two and running right back in and ripping up the target? Check.
Going well above altitude "limit"? Check (I regularly go a couple thousand feet into the red on several planes. By managing speed and boost.)

That's all the accusations of the bots "cheating" that I have heard and all of them are able to be reproduced  by a human player of decent skill.

To add: The bots do have some behaviors I find -exceedingly annoying- and I do think -some- changes need to be made.. but I have never observed one to actually cheat.

 

And THIS. 

[Ace_BOTlistic_Cosmo]

I think bots be bots

that be dat

be shaky converse

[GreatBallsO_Fire_Jr]

mnbv_fockewulfe, on 01 June 2019 - 03:04 PM, said:

The only cheating the bots do is they're server side control and aim.

Bots do not have special ammo and are not allowed to use pilot skills, equipment, or consumables. 

 

Yeah they do. Right? You know when you die and you are waiting for a respawn and you decide to actually watch the plane (I think you press t) It shows that they have equipment and consumables mounted. Its just like looking at your own plane in battle I think

[losttwo]

I am so glad all my bots cheat, I trained them well.

[losttwo]

OK, OK, wthdude.

I decided to look at your game stats.

You win more than you lose, so who is cheating who ?

61.20% win rate and you are whining about losing a couple of matches.

 

Wait a minute...I just caught on to what you are doing with this post.

 

Your post must be SARCASM...can't believe I fell for it.

[mad_dog_morgan]

you got bashed by the WG shills son give up these guys will take anyone down that has a go at there masters 

[trikke]

GreatBallsO_Fire_Jr, on 01 June 2019 - 09:47 PM, said:

Yeah they do. Right? You know when you die and you are waiting for a respawn and you decide to actually watch the plane (I think you press t) It shows that they have equipment and consumables mounted. Its just like looking at your own plane in battle I think

 

i wonder if you watched long enough, and the bot pilot got critted...  would her/she press the medkit key?       would they press the boost cooldown?

[losttwo]

trikke, on 03 June 2019 - 06:15 AM, said:

 

i wonder if you watched long enough, and the bot pilot got critted...  would her/she press the medkit key?       would they press the boost cooldown?

 

I just want to watch a bot pilot shoot down a plane for once. All I ever see is them wiggle back and forth, shoot a little damage then pull off.

Good thing my mic is off or you would here " Oh come on you chicken sh-- M-F- shoot the dam plane "

Then again it could be because I have died after the squall and they receive a moral penalty.

Sort of like " well the humans dead so why should we bother "

[White_Widow18]

mad_dog_morgan, on 02 June 2019 - 09:56 PM, said:

you got bashed by the WG shills son give up these guys will take anyone down that has a go at there masters 

 

Yep. You caught us. *eyeroll* 

I dunno what substance you use to create such interesting delusions, but please do not share with the class.

[CorvusCorvax]

losttwo, on 03 June 2019 - 12:08 PM, said:

 

I just want to watch a bot pilot shoot down a plane for once. All I ever see is them wiggle back and forth, shoot a little damage then pull off.

Good thing my mic is off or you would here " Oh come on you chicken sh-- M-F- shoot the dam plane "

Agreed.

 

Funny, after the squall, the red bots all of a sudden have the ability to team up, and get great shots in, while the blue bots are flying in straight lines getting shot down by flak.  [facepalm]

[GreatBallsO_Fire_Jr]

trikke, on 03 June 2019 - 05:15 AM, said:

 

i wonder if you watched long enough, and the bot pilot got critted...  would her/she press the medkit key?       would they press the boost cooldown?

 

I have after i died when the squall line hit. I have seen them use boost cool down before and fire extinguisher. I don't know about the med kit though.

 

Edit: I have only seen them use it once though

Edited by GreatBallsO_Fire_Jr, 03 June 2019 - 06:53 PM.

[GreatBallsO_Fire_Jr]

losttwo, on 03 June 2019 - 06:08 AM, said:

 

I just want to watch a bot pilot shoot down a plane for once. All I ever see is them wiggle back and forth, shoot a little damage then pull off.

Good thing my mic is off or you would here " Oh come on you chicken sh-- M-F- shoot the dam plane "

Then again it could be because I have died after the squall and they receive a moral penalty.

Sort of like " well the humans dead so why should we bother "

 

Agree. I have watched them do that. Its so irritating sometimes.

[GreatBallsO_Fire_Jr]

CorvusCorvax, on 03 June 2019 - 07:30 AM, said:

Agreed.

 

Funny, after the squall, the red bots all of a sudden have the ability to team up, and get great shots in, while the blue bots are flying in straight lines getting shot down by flak.  [facepalm]

 

I hate it when your flying out of and enemy sector and you know you're out of range from the AA but you still get hit out of nowhere.