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CorvusCorvax #41 Posted 13 June 2019 - 08:46 PM

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View Postlosttwo, on 13 June 2019 - 07:45 PM, said:

 

Then again it takes no skill to hit a stationary target.


Riiiiiiiight.  ;)



Zenn3k #42 Posted 13 June 2019 - 11:04 PM

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View PostSkyWolf__WM, on 13 June 2019 - 07:44 PM, said:

 

 That's because you know jack poo poo about Flying them. I can't fly them either but MANY people can fly them VERY effectively.

 

You are just stuck on the short bus with me my frien.... uh.... guy I don't know. But thanks for bringing your 1 year and 404 battle experience to us.


How exactly does one fly a bomber poorly exactly?   Fly to target, drop bombs on targets, planes attack, die.   There is nothing you can do to stop planes from attacking you, you are a giant flying helpless target.    Every single time I play bomber, thats the experience.   Maybe at T8+ its a different story, I dunno, I doubt it, since the HF guns get stronger in those tiers and they kill bombers just as quickly as in tier 5.    

 

You folks think it takes 2000 games to figure this game out?  It doesn't.    5 games worth of attack plane experience was enough to show me how absolutely horrible and worthless it is....plus all those slow meandering enemies I park behind and fire on for 3 solid minutes (exaggeration) until they die.    Sometimes I'm flying something weak enough (like an A6M) and get chewed up by a tail gunner, but usually no.   

 

Whats even more amusing is you folks will criticize what I say without making even a single argument for your claim, making them very empty.   I've even watched video of "top players" in bombers, and I see the same exact thing as when I play those planes, a free kill.   Anyone who does well in a bomber lucked out that the enemy team either ignored them, couldn't reach them at 3,000 meters, or both.    Lucky games where the enemy can't touch you are hardly indicative of the status of the class as a whole.



legoboy0401 #43 Posted 13 June 2019 - 11:36 PM

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View PostZenn3k, on 13 June 2019 - 03:04 PM, said:


How exactly does one fly a bomber poorly exactly?   Fly to target, drop bombs on targets, planes attack, die.   There is nothing you can do to stop planes from attacking you, you are a giant flying helpless target.    Every single time I play bomber, thats the experience.   Maybe at T8+ its a different story, I dunno, I doubt it, since the HF guns get stronger in those tiers and they kill bombers just as quickly as in tier 5.    

 

You folks think it takes 2000 games to figure this game out?  It doesn't.    5 games worth of attack plane experience was enough to show me how absolutely horrible and worthless it is....plus all those slow meandering enemies I park behind and fire on for 3 solid minutes (exaggeration) until they die.    Sometimes I'm flying something weak enough (like an A6M) and get chewed up by a tail gunner, but usually no.   

 

Whats even more amusing is you folks will criticize what I say without making even a single argument for your claim, making them very empty.   I've even watched video of "top players" in bombers, and I see the same exact thing as when I play those planes, a free kill.   Anyone who does well in a bomber lucked out that the enemy team either ignored them, couldn't reach them at 3,000 meters, or both.    Lucky games where the enemy can't touch you are hardly indicative of the status of the class as a whole.

 

 

I won't disagree that a lot of times, I do feel like free XP and credits for the enemy when I play my bombers, and a lot of the times I treat a lot of bombers that way in my Heavy Fighters. SOMETIMES, though, a rare SOMETIMES, I DO end up having to give a bomber respect. A specialist B-32, a specialist RB-17, yeah, they are VERY difficult targets, but especially in the former case it still isn't the easiest to play them the absolute best possible way, and even in the case of the latter, one can still have a bad day.

 

No plane is invincible. Also, honestly, none of the tech tree bomber lines are very easy, well, that and a lot of bomber stock grinds can be painful too.


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Captain_Underpants53 #44 Posted 14 June 2019 - 12:31 AM

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View PostZenn3k, on 13 June 2019 - 06:04 PM, said:


How exactly does one fly a bomber poorly exactly?   Fly to target, drop bombs on targets, planes attack, die.   There is nothing you can do to stop planes from attacking you, you are a giant flying helpless target.    Every single time I play bomber, thats the experience.   Maybe at T8+ its a different story, I dunno, I doubt it, since the HF guns get stronger in those tiers and they kill bombers just as quickly as in tier 5.    

 

You folks think it takes 2000 games to figure this game out?  It doesn't.    5 games worth of attack plane experience was enough to show me how absolutely horrible and worthless it is....plus all those slow meandering enemies I park behind and fire on for 3 solid minutes (exaggeration) until they die.    Sometimes I'm flying something weak enough (like an A6M) and get chewed up by a tail gunner, but usually no.   

 

Whats even more amusing is you folks will criticize what I say without making even a single argument for your claim, making them very empty.   I've even watched video of "top players" in bombers, and I see the same exact thing as when I play those planes, a free kill.   Anyone who does well in a bomber lucked out that the enemy team either ignored them, couldn't reach them at 3,000 meters, or both.    Lucky games where the enemy can't touch you are hardly indicative of the status of the class as a whole.

I believe you have answered your own question.


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Zenn3k #45 Posted 14 June 2019 - 07:07 PM

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View PostCaptain_Underpants53, on 14 June 2019 - 12:31 AM, said:

I believe you have answered your own question.


Another worthless reply from another so-called expert.



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View PostZenn3k, on 14 June 2019 - 07:07 PM, said:


Another worthless reply from another so-called expert.

Go fly against Cpt_Underpants sometime.  He'll show you what it's like to fly a bomber, and win.  Often.  Or fly against Prenzlau or Zigfried.  They will laugh at you while getting Hero of the Sky, and you get fifth place on your team.  I specialize in playing anti-bomber aircraft, because a human in a bomber can own a map.  And even when I am flying my best, they will often get the better of me.

 

Get back to me when you have more than 2000 battles, and have planes in T8-T10.  You'll have enough experience to understand what bombers can and can't do.

 

Oh, and if you see Reitousair in his IL-10M, be sure to just tail-ride him for some time.  I'm sure it'll work out for you.  He's also pretty good in his Tu-10, and Tu-2.  Ask me how I know.



legoboy0401 #47 Posted 14 June 2019 - 07:36 PM

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I'm not bad either. I suppose I'm not a legend in my bombers, but I do have my highest class efficiency rate in them, so I don't know.

 

I know a trick or two to surviving as long as possible. Now if only that STUPID Ju-288A would be a little less temperamental with its accuracy(even at optimum altitudes, it's still very inconsistent), I would be good to go.

 

 

Also, the B-32 is a rough stock grind. But it will get better, more match-influencing and more deadly the more I upgrade it and its crew.


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losttwo #48 Posted 14 June 2019 - 10:01 PM

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View PostZenn3k, on 13 June 2019 - 06:04 PM, said:


How exactly does one fly a bomber poorly exactly?   Fly to target, drop bombs on targets, planes attack, die.   There is nothing you can do to stop planes from attacking you, you are a giant flying helpless target.    Every single time I play bomber, thats the experience.   Maybe at T8+ its a different story, I dunno, I doubt it, since the HF guns get stronger in those tiers and they kill bombers just as quickly as in tier 5.    

 

You folks think it takes 2000 games to figure this game out?  It doesn't.    5 games worth of attack plane experience was enough to show me how absolutely horrible and worthless it is....plus all those slow meandering enemies I park behind and fire on for 3 solid minutes (exaggeration) until they die.    Sometimes I'm flying something weak enough (like an A6M) and get chewed up by a tail gunner, but usually no.   

 

Whats even more amusing is you folks will criticize what I say without making even a single argument for your claim, making them very empty.   I've even watched video of "top players" in bombers, and I see the same exact thing as when I play those planes, a free kill.   Anyone who does well in a bomber lucked out that the enemy team either ignored them, couldn't reach them at 3,000 meters, or both.    Lucky games where the enemy can't touch you are hardly indicative of the status of the class as a whole.

 

Skywolf said it best " You know jack poo about flying bombers "

 

I have a couple of hours in tier 4 and 5 bombers and let me tell you IT IS MORE  THAN FLYING AROUND DROPPING BOMBS.

Between trying to shoot down enemy planes and fly in turret mode to knowing when to drop the bombs.

 

Thought bombers would be a breeze and the ultimate in boring game play.

Although the hardest part is staying awake between Capture points and waiting for reload.

There are tail gunner shots, ramming, and all sorts of things you can try to do.

In order to specialize in a bomber you need turret kills and that my friend is a hard one.

Between competing against all the other classes to not get a kill stolen, good luck.



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Heck I don't know.. The bots & game are playing pretty whacked.. The games seem fixed to me lately.. My wingman & I had battles that we both were killing & capping to the tune of 12,000 personal points & lost for no reason.. So confusing as to what you need to do.. What worked 2 days ago doesn't work now.

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View Postcomealong1, on 15 June 2019 - 07:53 AM, said:

Heck I don't know.. The bots & game are playing pretty whacked.. The games seem fixed to me lately.. My wingman & I had battles that we both were killing & capping to the tune of 12,000 personal points & lost for no reason.. So confusing as to what you need to do.. What worked 2 days ago doesn't work now.


If you ever do figure it out, please let me know.  It seems to be almost entirely RNG dependent.

 

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SkyWolf__WM #51 Posted 15 June 2019 - 03:41 PM

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View PostZenn3k, on 13 June 2019 - 06:04 PM, said:


How exactly does one fly a bomber poorly exactly?   Fly to target, drop bombs on targets, planes attack, die.   There is nothing you can do to stop planes from attacking you, you are a giant flying helpless target.    Every single time I play bomber, thats the experience.   Maybe at T8+ its a different story, I dunno, I doubt it, since the HF guns get stronger in those tiers and they kill bombers just as quickly as in tier 5.    

 

You folks think it takes 2000 games to figure this game out?  It doesn't.    5 games worth of attack plane experience was enough to show me how absolutely horrible and worthless it is....plus all those slow meandering enemies I park behind and fire on for 3 solid minutes (exaggeration) until they die.    Sometimes I'm flying something weak enough (like an A6M) and get chewed up by a tail gunner, but usually no.   

 

Whats even more amusing is you folks will criticize what I say without making even a single argument for your claim, making them very empty.   I've even watched video of "top players" in bombers, and I see the same exact thing as when I play those planes, a free kill.   Anyone who does well in a bomber lucked out that the enemy team either ignored them, couldn't reach them at 3,000 meters, or both.    Lucky games where the enemy can't touch you are hardly indicative of the status of the class as a whole.

 

:facepalm: That's because you know jack poo poo about flying bombers (Did I already say that?). Obfuscate all you want. It does not take everyone 2000 games to figure the game out. Some do it in much less.

Maybe even 420. But, and I'm sure that you will be shocked to learn this, YOU AINT ONE OF THEM. I'm telling you..... The bomber short bus is stopped right in front of you. I'm holding the door open for you

cause' I'm the driver. Now get on, Shutt the flock up, and do some homework or something FFS.


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Captain_Underpants53 #52 Posted 15 June 2019 - 07:31 PM

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I can understand why so many don't care to fly bombers.  It's just not their thing.

 

But I have never understood the virulent hatred so many have for bombers and those who choose to fly them.

 

Are they worried that, somehow, they are going to be forced to fly a bomber?  It just doesn't make sense.


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CorvusCorvax #53 Posted 15 June 2019 - 08:22 PM

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View PostCaptain_Underpants53, on 15 June 2019 - 07:31 PM, said:

I can understand why so many don't care to fly bombers.  It's just not their thing.

 

But I have never understood the virulent hatred so many have for bombers and those who choose to fly them.

 

Are they worried that, somehow, they are going to be forced to fly a bomber?  It just doesn't make sense.

 

Because they don't understand how a fat, slow target got Hero of the Sky, while they are sitting at 4k points, mid-pack.  Even a "meh" battle in a bomber can earn a win.







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