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Ice_King #1 Posted 01 June 2019 - 04:48 PM

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My fun in the game is rapidly disappearing because I cannot win. I've played 5 battles today and lost all of them. My last battle was just me and my platoon mate against nothing but BOTS and we STILL LOST IT!?

 

I understand the basics of how to shoot stuff down and the basics of capping points. But apparently not because every battle the enemy end up with all the points. Even close battles where I control half the points, the time will come when suddenly the enemy (even if it's just bots apparently) own the skies.

 

I also understand how MP>MB>GAR, ect in terms of how many points they give you, I'm just not doing something right in terms of know what to attack, when, what to defend, and when. That's the only problem I can think of having that makes me need to lose 5/6 battles before I ever see a win of get the double xp. Also it's generally not my performance, I'm usually near or at the top of the perf ratings in battles. 

 

What could I be doing wrong or improve?



Booze_Morgan #2 Posted 01 June 2019 - 05:07 PM

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He}}, most of us don't fully understand.  

 

You cap sectors and kill enemies.  You find out what sectors move your bar more and try to cap them first. (There is an excellent list somewhere in this forum.)  You probably gonna have to cap them again.  

 

I learned to fly for the fun of flying, keeping strategy in mind, and learning the nuances of the plane I am piloting.  I keep strategy in mind only (stated above), but winning is not my priority.  My enjoyment of this game soared to new heights when a friend of mine taught me that.   If you MUST win to enjoy, my offering to you would be to make up a pilot, fly the heck outta him in at least the bottom 4 tiers not spending a cent, git gud SO gud, then go to your fave account and kick butt.

 

BTW, we think match maker will pit better bots against you if you are flighted. So GIT GUD.

 

There is so much more to say .....

 

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Ice_King #3 Posted 01 June 2019 - 05:45 PM

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Thanks for the help but I've lost 5 more battles since posting despite being the top performer in every battle. I don't understand and no longer like this game. Maybe it's having to constantly go up against people in specialist planes but I don't think I like playing this game anymore. 

Booze_Morgan #4 Posted 01 June 2019 - 06:10 PM

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They probably bought their wings, they are not necessarily that good or why you lost.

 

If you play to win, this game will disappoint you at least 50% of the time, except with you where it seems it is 100% of the time.  I stay at around a 70% win rate only because I learned early on you do not play JUST TO WIN.  You fly for the enjoyment of learning about the particular plane you are flying.  Or you fly to meet your own goals of most kills in a battle, or most ground damage, or just for the thrill of flying straight up in a 109, then turning back down and blasting an enemy out of the sky because he tried to follow you up in a Russian mid alt plane.

 

Just learn how to fly a plane, or a category of a plane, and get good at it while ignoring your win rate.  You have 134 battles and I assure you that is not near enough to even know if you like this game or not.  Things do not get really real until tier 5, which IMHO, has the most fun fighters.  But you have to know how to fly what you are flying.  You have to know if you need to B&Z, T&B, if you are in a B&Z fighter, or a low alt killer that needs to never go high, etc...

 

OK I'm done. See ya!

 

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Chuck_norris10 #5 Posted 01 June 2019 - 06:16 PM

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View PostIce_King, on 01 June 2019 - 10:45 AM, said:

Thanks for the help but I've lost 5 more battles since posting despite being the top performer in every battle. I don't understand and no longer like this game. Maybe it's having to constantly go up against people in specialist planes but I don't think I like playing this game anymore. 

 

Your not alone.Best suggestion I can give you is to flight up with one of the vets.

I fly mainly solo so dont last long against flights and can bang off 5 or more losses before getting a win or even more but I usually dont play more then 5 after 5 losses because it just aint fun.How many times have you looked at the counter and thought you had it in 2 seconds only to see defeat splashed on the screen?

I have close to 20,000 battles in this game and used to live to play it and even bought a nice gamer to handle it.

Now......they took the fun factor out of it.


 

 


 

xXx_BulletMagnet_xXx #6 Posted 01 June 2019 - 06:26 PM

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I don't even keep track of w/l % anymore and this is after having uninstalled this turd! To try to get coupons on missions that require a victory, might as well be beating your head against the wall!

mnbv_fockewulfe #7 Posted 01 June 2019 - 06:38 PM

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With great difficulty. 

 

 

All jokes aside, depending on the tier, look for the unguarded sectors and attack those. Avoid the enemy furball especially if your team is behind on sectors. A lot of tactics vary on the class you play. I'll let others fill you in on those details.


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PoliticallyIncorrectName #8 Posted 01 June 2019 - 06:48 PM

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You don't win.

 

If you already are in a good plane/map combo, you're getting "special" teammate from "special" part of the world blessed with "special" IQ.


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Booze_Morgan #9 Posted 01 June 2019 - 07:03 PM

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So, yeah.  Playing to win is not a place to get self worth and esteem here anymore for probably the majority of us. 

 

Ice, choose a plane you think you would like to fly a lot. Make a thread in the forum asking how to fly THAT plane.  You will get excellent advice on the plane, and as it happens, that advice will also extend to planes in its tech tree and many others in its category. Concentrate on flying THAT plane proficiently, knowing all the while that flying that plane well will not necessarily give you the win.  Just enjoy becoming a threat to the reds in THAT plane. Learning about THAT plane will also teach you how to fly others in other trees and categories, believe it or not.

 

You will learn how and when to turn and burn, boom and zoom, run like He//, and how to fly defensively. As you learn the techniques of the plane, you will learn to watch your radar and react before that sneaky bas%^rd behind you gets his guns on you.  All the while, you are learning how to enjoy yourself in the moment, your victories being out strategizing the immediate threat, which will lead to widening your awareness to out smarting match maker and the whole dern system.

 

Point is to start small with where you find your victories.  Find where you can enjoy without the win. Soon enough the winning will come.

 

Then start another account with this knowledge and kick all our butts, if you so wish, or stay with that one.

 

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losttwo #10 Posted 01 June 2019 - 07:59 PM

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Set winning aside for a moment and just learn to :

 Fly the plane

 How superiority works.

This game has become a tactic of superiority rather than last man standing.

It is the only way WG could create a purpose for GAA and Bombers.

I have been here since closed beta and watched the change take place.

Since my return after a long 2 year break it did not take me long to learn

" last man standing " is about 2% of matches. Welcome to the squall line and being in the right place at the right time.

 

What I am about to tell you is the best kept secret of experienced players and your win rate will begin to climb.

Mine certainly has. It went from a 51.07% on May 07, 2019 to a 52.65% May 31,2019. ( I track it in my forum profile feed )

 

You need to understand that I fly planes I am not good at ,so I can learn to play them better,  I play more for tickets/tokens and missions.

That is why there is only a 1.58 climb in my win rate over 31 days. I still win more than I lose.

 

Do not bother looking at the player screen ( tab ) it really doesn't matter.

Do not go head on with anyone, you will lose or take a lot of damage.

Do not let an enemy, red or white, get behind you.

Get in close ( 400 meters ) then fire.

Do not depend on re-spawn. It only gives points ot the enemy.

Try to survive the entire battle.

Avoid the fur ball of large enemy. Stay on the outside edge of it.

 

Here is my experience in Fighter/ Multi-role / Heavy:

Target priority : ADA of the Military Base-Command Center- Airfield ( Wrench symbol ) - Airstrip- Garrison.

Gain altitude, the higher the better

Take out the ADA to secure the sector. ADA should be your priority before the red planes.

Bonus if you clear the tail of the ADA by shooting the red plane then kill the ADA.

Better bonus if you steal the ADA from the red plane then kill the red plane.

Bonus Bravo if you capture a sector solo and no one is around.

Its OK if you capture a sector and leave a couple of red bots there.

You have about 20 seconds before they can do anything and the ADA will re-spawn and kill them or vice versa.

You will have enough time to cap another sector and get back to it if you need to.

Superiority is what wins the game and that is how you gain superiority.

Yes it is that simple. You hold the cap(s) 95% of the time it will be a win.

 

GAA and Bombers:

Target priority : Mining plant - Military Base - Command Center - same as above

Some maps it may be better to take out the Command / Military then Mining Plant.

But you definitely need to hold at least one of the mining plants and 50% of the other sectors.

GAA is the plane you do not want to go high in nor go first into the sector unless you're alone.

Bombers, Well I just started them and I just go as high as I can.

 

Squall Line :  This is a very interesting and special feature that can be your best of friend.

Do not kill any red planes when you get the count down warning ( if you can help it )

They will re-spawn and boom you have more enemy to face off with.

At the same time your team is depleted to nothing.

 

Once the storm has arrived and there is no more re-spawning Then begin shooting as many of the red planes as you can.

If you do not have the sectors or any sectors, do not worry about it. Leave the ADA alone and just eliminate all the red bots/humans.

By being the last one alive you will win the match. ( reminder to self : make a video of the win )

Snap, I just looked and I must have deleted the screenshot and video of the last win like that.

 

Most important thing is to have fun and do not die.

Other players experience may be different.

 

Look for me in game between M-F 9am-2pm EST and I will flight up with you.

I will also be posting more video's of various game play on my YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWKpqNwXl1Rht5_l0JWIoaw/videos?view_as=subscriber

 

Currently I have 4 video's from 2.0

 

 


Edited by losttwo, 01 June 2019 - 08:06 PM.


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View PostIce_King, on 01 June 2019 - 11:48 AM, said:

My fun in the game is rapidly disappearing because I cannot win. I've played 5 battles today and lost all of them. My last battle was just me and my platoon mate against nothing but BOTS and we STILL LOST IT!?

 

I understand the basics of how to shoot stuff down and the basics of capping points. But apparently not because every battle the enemy end up with all the points. Even close battles where I control half the points, the time will come when suddenly the enemy (even if it's just bots apparently) own the skies.

 

I also understand how MP>MB>GAR, ect in terms of how many points they give you, I'm just not doing something right in terms of know what to attack, when, what to defend, and when. That's the only problem I can think of having that makes me need to lose 5/6 battles before I ever see a win of get the double xp. Also it's generally not my performance, I'm usually near or at the top of the perf ratings in battles. 

 

What could I be doing wrong or improve?

 

When I hit a losing streak I either quit for awhile or drastically change tiers and aircraft. As a new player you may not have this option. :(
***************Fail to Suck****************

I shall use my aircraft and my skill to slightly inconvenience mine enemies.


losttwo #12 Posted 01 June 2019 - 08:02 PM

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By the way...Do not rush up the tiers.

30K+ battles and I just got my 3rd tier 10 and 3 more tier 9's



legoboy0401 #13 Posted 01 June 2019 - 08:41 PM

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View Postlosttwo, on 01 June 2019 - 12:02 PM, said:

By the way...Do not rush up the tiers.

30K+ battles and I just got my 3rd tier 10 and 3 more tier 9's

 

Then there's me. I have almost 1,400 battles so far and I only just researched my third (Bomber Escort REALLY speed up grinds) Tier VII about a week ago. (Also, I ain't a wallet warrior, and don't have a single premium past Tier V, also, most of the ones I have are from bonus codes)

Edited by legoboy0401, 01 June 2019 - 08:43 PM.

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BB3_Oregon_Steel #14 Posted 01 June 2019 - 08:56 PM

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View PostIce_King, on 01 June 2019 - 09:45 AM, said:

Thanks for the help but I've lost 5 more battles since posting despite being the top performer in every battle. I don't understand and no longer like this game. Maybe it's having to constantly go up against people in specialist planes but I don't think I like playing this game anymore. 

 

Okie dokey then, not a great deal I can do to overcome that. 

 

The sad sad truth is that even if you do everything right, the dice will roll against you and you can get on epic losing streaks.  Some teams are going to be better than others and which one you end up on is pretty much random luck. 

 

Here in WOWPs, however, unlike WOT's which I suspect you are coming from (i.e. refering to "flights" as "Platoons") the capabilities and actions of the human players is greatly magnified.  Bots are bots and both sides have them but, especially in lower tier games, there aren't a lot of human players on each side. 

 

In WOT's if you, the player mess up or make a suboptimal decision, the other players picking up the slack are humans.  If you make a mistake in WOWP's or just not as optimal decisions as the couple of humans in the red planes, they you are asking your bots to pick up the slack which is not a position you want to be in.  

 

And where you end up ranked on your team is not a good indicator of how well you are playing like it would be in WOT's.  All that does is say that you are better than the bots on your team, which you should be.  Finishing out of the top three in WOWPs generally means your stinking up the skies at lower tiers because that is where you should end up in most games. 

 

I'm glad that you have said that you understand all of how this interacts, the correct selection of targets etc ... ... ...  so I won't go into any of that.

 

If that is in fact the case then there are two reasonable possibilities. 

 

1) You're just on a bad roll and if you keep on playing you'll eventually work you way out of it and start winning again. 

 

or

 

2) You don't quite know all you think you know and the red human players are just making better decisions than you and/or are flying their planes better than you and since the performances of humans in this setup is so magnified, that's a far worse thing than it would be in WOT's or WOWS.  


"Don't mess with me because I can squish you like a bug, that is If I should decide to notice your existence in the first place".  

 

Yes, it's haughty and its arrogant but you're a battleship with 16 inch guns and Britannia Rules the Waves.  Maybe a bit of arrogance in this case is appropriate.  


losttwo #15 Posted 01 June 2019 - 08:57 PM

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View Postlegoboy0401, on 01 June 2019 - 03:41 PM, said:

 

Then there's me. I have almost 1,400 battles so far and I only just researched my third (Bomber Escort REALLY speed up grinds) Tier VII about a week ago. (Also, I ain't a wallet warrior, and don't have a single premium past Tier V, also, most of the ones I have are from bonus codes)

 

The only time I ever have premium is when WG gives it to me.

I have only bought 3 premiums. The rest were gifted or earned.

It is a Free to Play game and i take it seriously.

Or maybe I am just that cheap.

 

 

Yeah I am just that cheap.



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i gotta thank losttwo and others for sharing some great pro tips...  ty

 

this is a hard game to master     put in the hours, and you'll start to see the flow of the battle through new eyes

 

it's not just a shooter game, it's a work-with-strangers-toward-a-common-goal game

 

a sane person would ignore win rates at first, since you're just a ping pong ball in a hurricane until you start to see the patterns 


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Captain_Rownd #17 Posted 01 June 2019 - 11:39 PM

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View PostIce_King, on 01 June 2019 - 06:48 AM, said:

My fun in the game is rapidly disappearing because I cannot win. I've played 5 battles today and lost all of them. My last battle was just me and my platoon mate against nothing but BOTS and we STILL LOST IT!?

 

Relax.  It's a team game, even if the teams are mostly bots.  You can't expect to individually force a win.  Just contribute as well as you can and move on to the next one.  Win/loss will average out to about 50% eventually and you get XP either way. 

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View PostBooze_Morgan, on 01 June 2019 - 06:10 PM, said:

 or just for the thrill of flying straight up in a 109, then turning back down and blasting an enemy out of the sky because he tried to follow you up in a Russian mid alt plane.

 

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Ice_King #19 Posted 02 June 2019 - 04:40 PM

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So yesterday was rough, playing for several hours and losing every battle when I was trying to get the x3 xp for my plane sent me into full tilt mode. After rage-posting on the forums for a while I took a break, had some cheese to go with my whine, and looked around the forums and watched some videos. I logged back in the evening and had a much better, and more expected gaming experience. But here's what I learned that I didn't know before:

 

-Putting bombs on your multirole will slow you down for the entire battle, even once you've dropped them. I didn't know this and thought once you dropped them you wouldn't be weighed down, because you know, that makes sense, but this isn't war thunder so good to know. 

 

-Apparently the FW 190 line sees more improvement with the better aiming pilot skill over the engine guru skill. Probably still highly subjective but I went ahead and put that, as well as some equipment on my plane, which seems to have improved things.

 

-There are special pilots in the game, even special female pilots, which I don't have access to and/or don't know how to get. 

 

-People seem to think that Flights get tougher bot opponents than solo players. This could explain the humiliating experience I had yesterday when I lost a battle in which the enemy team was nothing but bots. I was flighted with a friend who, lets just say is still learning the basics. I really did want to commit seppuku after that one lemme tell you.

 

-Improving equipment can be a waste of time because I improved a piece of gear and then couldn't use all the bonuses because my plane isn't specialist, this sucks.

 

lol about the observation that I call flights "platoons," you should see me googling "FW 190 A-5 Captain Skills." I play all the WG games and this one is most different. The ability to respawn in this game makes it different enough that I cannot pinpoint the moments where battles are won or lost, and that's very frustrating to me because I'm a play-to-win type (but refuse to spend gold on ammo). So when I see that I'm the highest scorer on both teams, and even my bots outscore the enemy bots, but we still lose, it confuses the hell out of me. Sometimes I can even do well but the other team's human player did even better, that I can explain at least. Basically I haven't learned the real way battles are won/lost yet in this game and that's irksome to me. Until I figure that out all I can do is keep learning the mechanics of what I'm flying and the game itself, and what is and is not a mistake before I make it, and actually NOT make that mistake. 

 

Thanks for all the responses, I didn't know these forums were this active otherwise I'd have been posting more.


Edited by Ice_King, 02 June 2019 - 04:41 PM.


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View PostIce_King, on 02 June 2019 - 12:40 PM, said:

-Apparently the FW 190 line sees more improvement with the better aiming pilot skill over the engine guru skill. Probably still highly subjective but I went ahead and put that, as well as some equipment on my plane, which seems to have improved things.

 

oooohh  umm   man, that is a tough line to learn the game, there's almost zero room for error 

 

try meta planes for a faster start...  the Spitfire line, the Ki line, the german heavy line     

 

all of those reward poor pilots like myself with wins, silver and xp like a loose slot machine   

 

you'll actually turn away from them in disgust after a few hundred battles, because you'll be ready for a bit more of a strategy/tactical challenge

 

keep us up with your progress in this thread, use it to ask the vets specific questions, we're here to help!


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