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BB3_Oregon_Steel #1 Posted 30 May 2019 - 10:55 PM

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One of the posts today brought up a subject that I think could be addressed with the US Bomber line.  One of the weaknesses here is that the US line starts out at Tier V so players concentrating on US Bombers have to enter those planes without any real low tier experience with the type.  The US certainly had no shortage or pre-war bombers to choose from prior to the introduction of the B-17 so I thought I would mention two here that could fill in the T3 and T4 portions of the Tree. 

 

Martin B-10 - Tier 3

 

The Martin B-10 bomber was the first all metal monowing bomber accepted for service with the US Army Aircorp and entered service in 1934. 

 

Maximum Speed: 343 kph (213 mph)

Bomb Load: 1,030kp (2,260 pounds)

Defensive Battery: Three 30 caliber MG's 

 

History:  Revolutionary Bomber which made all contemporary bombers obsolete at the time of it's introduction.  By WWII the B-10 had been largely phased out of US service but was in service with the Netherlands, Turkey, China (Nationalist) and Argentine airforces.  Last example was retired from service in 1949. 

 

Douglas B-18 - Tier IV

 

Maximum Speed: 348 kph (216 mph)

Bomb Load: 2,000 kg (4,400 pounds)

Defensive Battery:  Three 30 caliber machine guns.

 

The replacement for the B-10 in the US Army Air Corp.  Ordered into production in 1936, the B-18 was the most numerous bomber in the US arsenal at the time of it's entry into the 2nd World War. While the bomb load which could be carries was double that of the B-10, the B-18 was considered to be too slow and too weakly armed for the strategic bombing mission it had been designed for. 

 

Many of these aircraft were destroyed on the ground by Japanese forces in the Philippines and Hawaii with the survivors within the Continental US being deployed defensively in anticipation of a Japanese invasion of the Western US.  These aircraft were replaced by the arrival of more capable aircraft in 1942 with most of the remain examples used for training or converted to Anti-submarine work.  The last example was retired from active service in 1946.

 

Of course another notable plane missing from the US tech tree is the B-25 Mitchell medium bomber (as opposed to the dedicated attack variants produced later in the war).  This aircraft could carry 1,600 kg (3,600 pounds) of bombs at a maximum speed of  485 kph (301 mph) armed with Five 50 caliber machine guns that might also fit at T4 or T5.  

 


Edited by BB3_Oregon_Steel, 30 May 2019 - 11:42 PM.

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I think starting people in a much lower tier with bombers would be a good idea.

At least by tier 2 instead of tier 4 or 5


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View Postlosttwo, on 30 May 2019 - 11:05 PM, said:

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I think starting people in a much lower tier with bombers would be a good idea.

At least by tier 2 instead of tier 4 or 5

Yup.  My first bomber was T8.  I sucked so hard playing it, it still hurts a little. 



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Honestly, I've always felt it was silly that WG paywalled the blenheim and JU 86 E. Sure, you can practice T3 in the Russian SB... but that's the -only- T3 bomber you don't have to pay cash for and the JU is semi-rare-ish to boot. I do not believe there -are- any T2 bombers are there? Did I miss one?

Also, I love bombers, but even I have to say the American line is the single steepest learning curve between their relative immobility and their reliance on turrets to keep them alive. Contrary to belief.. turrets are -not- ID10T error proof and there are ways to use them appropriately and not -especially- on the B series as you can get multiple multiple turret emplacements pointed at the same target if you know how. 

I will still continue to lobby that bombers should not have their outboard weapon equipment locked behind specialist, lock something else back there.. but making your primary damage output's equipment locked behind specialist always has seemed excessive.

 

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View PostCorvusCorvax, on 30 May 2019 - 06:49 PM, said:

Yup.  My first bomber was T8.  I sucked so hard playing it, it still hurts a little. 


My first bomber was the B-32. The first 80 or so games in it were one of the most painful experiences in my life... I hit the bomb button the first flight out thinking "YAY! I HAVE SO MANY BOMBS! I'LL HAVE TO CLICK LOTS" only to discover it was a string..... and that I had no keybinds for flying in bombsight mode... so I popped into regular flight mode and immediately rolled it too far and stopped the drop....

You can see where that all went lol! I got better though because I asked questions, did research, and kept flying until it clicked.



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View PostWhite_Widow18, on 31 May 2019 - 01:18 AM, said:


My first bomber was the B-32. The first 80 or so games in it were one of the most painful experiences in my life... I hit the bomb button the first flight out thinking "YAY! I HAVE SO MANY BOMBS! I'LL HAVE TO CLICK LOTS" only to discover it was a string..... and that I had no keybinds for flying in bombsight mode... so I popped into regular flight mode and immediately rolled it too far and stopped the drop....

You can see where that all went lol! I got better though because I asked questions, did research, and kept flying until it clicked.

Folks that say you just fly along a click the button are soft in the head.  Learning to play bombers is not simple.



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great topic, i would love to see more low tier american bombers             tia, WG


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View PostWhite_Widow18, on 30 May 2019 - 05:15 PM, said:

Honestly, I've always felt it was silly that WG paywalled the blenheim and JU 86 E. Sure, you can practice T3 in the Russian SB... but that's the -only- T3 bomber you don't have to pay cash for and the JU is semi-rare-ish to boot. I do not believe there -are- any T2 bombers are there? Did I miss one?

Also, I love bombers, but even I have to say the American line is the single steepest learning curve between their relative immobility and their reliance on turrets to keep them alive. Contrary to belief.. turrets are -not- ID10T error proof and there are ways to use them appropriately and not -especially- on the B series as you can get multiple multiple turret emplacements pointed at the same target if you know how. 

I will still continue to lobby that bombers should not have their outboard weapon equipment locked behind specialist, lock something else back there.. but making your primary damage output's equipment locked behind specialist always has seemed excessive.

 

 

The Germans are good jack-of-all-trades planes and very capable bomber trainers. They generally teach you VERY good habits for bombers.

 

As for the Russians, there are 3 groups, the SB and AR-2, the Pe-2 through the Tu-12, and lastly the as of yet unreleased Su-10.

 

Their first group are generally weak, poor-performing Blenhiem knockoffs without many real strengths. The first group may teach much in the way of what NOT to do, but they generally don't teach you what you OUGHT to be doing. Their second group, is strong in doing what people used to do in all of the other bombers, but don't as much now since such tactics got nerfed. They teach you NOTHING about how the average medium-level bomber ought to be played, and in addition only reinforce bad habits. The third group, the single solitary Su-10, is currently not out yet for players, but seems to be more like a cross between the first group and the RB-17. As such, it ought to reinforce good bomber tactic habits.


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View PostCorvusCorvax, on 30 May 2019 - 08:06 PM, said:

Folks that say you just fly along a click the button are soft in the head.  Learning to play bombers is not simple.

 

They have so little in common with the other planes in the game... it's like carriers in WoWS in that respect I suppose though. Except WoWS has a pretty good set of CV tutorials and videos................. *stink-eyes WOWP for their lack of teaching on bombers*

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View PostWhite_Widow18, on 30 May 2019 - 06:29 PM, said:

 

They have so little in common with the other planes in the game... it's like carriers in WoWS in that respect I suppose though. Except WoWS has a pretty good set of CV tutorials and videos................. *stink-eyes WOWP for their lack of teaching on bombers*

 

WoWP has one too, it just isn't that great, that's all.

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View PostBB3_Oregon_Steel, on 30 May 2019 - 05:55 PM, said:

One of the posts today brought up a subject that I think could be addressed with the US Bomber line.  One of the weaknesses here is that the US line starts out at Tier V so players concentrating on US Bombers have to enter those planes without any real low tier experience with the type.  The US certainly had no shortage or pre-war bombers to choose from prior to the introduction of the B-17 so I thought I would mention two here that could fill in the T3 and T4 portions of the Tree. 

 

Martin B-10 - Tier 3

 

The Martin B-10 bomber was the first all metal monowing bomber accepted for service with the US Army Aircorp and entered service in 1934. 

 

Maximum Speed: 343 kph (213 mph)

Bomb Load: 1,030kp (2,260 pounds)

Defensive Battery: Three 30 caliber MG's 

 

History:  Revolutionary Bomber which made all contemporary bombers obsolete at the time of it's introduction.  By WWII the B-10 had been largely phased out of US service but was in service with the Netherlands, Turkey, China (Nationalist) and Argentine airforces.  Last example was retired from service in 1949. 

 

Douglas B-18 - Tier IV

 

Maximum Speed: 348 kph (216 mph)

Bomb Load: 2,000 kg (4,400 pounds)

Defensive Battery:  Three 30 caliber machine guns.

 

The replacement for the B-10 in the US Army Air Corp.  Ordered into production in 1936, the B-18 was the most numerous bomber in the US arsenal at the time of it's entry into the 2nd World War. While the bomb load which could be carries was double that of the B-10, the B-18 was considered to be too slow and too weakly armed for the strategic bombing mission it had been designed for. 

 

Many of these aircraft were destroyed on the ground by Japanese forces in the Philippines and Hawaii with the survivors within the Continental US being deployed defensively in anticipation of a Japanese invasion of the Western US.  These aircraft were replaced by the arrival of more capable aircraft in 1942 with most of the remain examples used for training or converted to Anti-submarine work.  The last example was retired from active service in 1946.

 

Of course another notable plane missing from the US tech tree is the B-25 Mitchell medium bomber (as opposed to the dedicated attack variants produced later in the war).  This aircraft could carry 1,600 kg (3,600 pounds) of bombs at a maximum speed of  485 kph (301 mph) armed with Five 50 caliber machine guns that might also fit at T4 or T5.  

 

 

:medal:

 

 

Great post!  I always wished they would incorporate some of the Tier I and II era biplane bombers that actually existed.  But I guess Tier I will always be restricted to multi-roles.  I do wonder why, though.


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View PostWhite_Widow18, on 30 May 2019 - 09:29 PM, said:

 

They have so little in common with the other planes in the game... it's like carriers in WoWS in that respect I suppose though. Except WoWS has a pretty good set of CV tutorials and videos................. *stink-eyes WOWP for their lack of teaching on bombers*

 

That's is when the community steps in and makes video's.

We need more people willing to make training video's like Magus use to make.



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View Postlosttwo, on 31 May 2019 - 01:57 AM, said:

 

That's is when the community steps in and makes video's.

We need more people willing to make training video's like Magus use to make.

 

I would, but my laptop is a potato (which is also probably why I experience fewer bugs than most). Trying to capture video is an exercise in pain, as is editing it :/ Hoping next year to spring for a new one and then I'll try again.

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View PostCaptain_Underpants53, on 30 May 2019 - 11:54 PM, said:

 

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Great post!  I always wished they would incorporate some of the Tier I and II era biplane bombers that actually existed.  But I guess Tier I will always be restricted to multi-roles.  I do wonder why, though.

 

Well then you're probably interested in something like this. 

 

Keystone B-6

Configuration: Bi-plane

Maximum Speed: 190 kph (120 mph) (good luck outrunning anything in this baby) :kamikaze:

Bomb load:  1,100 kg (2,500 lbs)

Defensive Battery:  Three 30 caliber machine guns

 

The B-6 was the last and most advanced of the fabric and wood structured bombers ordered by the Army Air Corp and entered service in 1930 and remained front line equipment until the arrival of the B-10 in 1934. 

 

These planes did not see combat but did bomb a volcano in 1935 to divert lava flow threatening the Hawaiian port of Hilo. Now how many bombers can you list that went to combat with a volcano and won!!?  The plane was also used successfully to bring in winter supplies to Viriginia's Tangier Island and Maryland's Smith Island whose residents were facing starvation after severe winter storms had blocked shipping in Chesapeake Bay.  During this trip the bombers flew at an altitude of not more than 10 feet to retain visibility in the difficult conditions (fun fact, the Goodyear blimp also assisted with these efforts).

 

Bi-plane Bombers AWAY!!!  :izmena:

 


Edited by BB3_Oregon_Steel, 01 June 2019 - 01:31 AM.

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View PostBB3_Oregon_Steel, on 31 May 2019 - 08:28 PM, said:

 

Well then you're probably interested in something like this. 

 

Keystone B-6

Configuration: Bi-plane

Maximum Speed: 190 kph (120 mph) (good luck outrunning anything in this baby) :kamikaze:

Bomb load:  1,100 kg (2,500 lbs)

Defensive Battery:  Three 30 caliber machine guns

 

The B-6 was the last and most advanced of the fabric and wood structured bombers ordered by the Army Air Corp and entered service in 1930 and remained front line equipment until the arrival of the B-10 in 1934. 

 

These planes did not see combat but did bomb a volcano in 1935 to divert lava flow threatening the Hawaiian port of Hilo. Now how many bombers can you list that went to combat with a volcano and won!!?  The plane was also used successfully to bring in winter supplies to Viriginia's Tangier Island and Maryland's Smith Island whose residents were facing starvation after severe winter storms had blocked shipping in Chesapeake Bay.  During this trip the bombers flew at an altitude of not more than 10 feet to retain visibility in the difficult conditions (fun fact, the Goodyear blimp also assisted with these efforts).

 

Bi-plane Bombers AWAY!!!  :izmena:

 

 

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View PostBB3_Oregon_Steel, on 31 May 2019 - 09:28 PM, said:

These planes did not see combat but did bomb a volcano in 1935 to divert lava flow threatening the Hawaiian port of Hilo. Now how many bombers can you list that went to combat with a volcano and won!!? 

 

that particular battle is over, but Mauna Loa will eventually win that war


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