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BB3_Oregon_Steel #1 Posted 23 May 2019 - 12:13 AM

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I just thought I'd share this observation. 

 

WOWPs is my secondary game with WOWS being my main.  One of the neat things that got me coming back here were the low tier airplane/tank/ship bundles with Premium time. I love new stuffs, it wasn't very expensive and I'd end up with a new toy to play with and Premium time I could use anywhere. 

 

This made it attractive to me to not simply concentrate on WOWS but also to dip into WOWPs to play a bit because no matter where I went, my premium time wasn't being wasted.  

 

The introduction first of WOWS specific premium time and now WOTS specific premium time has put a stop to all of that. 

 

Premium Time types don't "stack".  For example, lets say I have 30 days of WOWS Premium time and I buy a bundle for planes that has 15 days of normal Premium time.  That normal Premium Time I bought in the airplane bundle does not "stack" on top of the 30 days of WOWS Premium Time I already have there.  Further, If I buy a bundle in either WOTs or WOWS, any premium time in the bundle is going to be specific to that game only. The option to buy those bundles including normal Premium Time do not exist. 

 

So what does that mean to me and my spending habits. 

 

1) Bundles with Premium Time in either WOWPs or WOTs are no longer all that attractive. The only way to get value out of them is to drop WOWS for the time span the Premium Time is active (which, if I have WOWS Premium Time as well, means either I waste it, or the new time I just bought in the bundle). 

2) Because the Premium Time in these bundles is no longer as useful, the value of the bundle to me decreases and makes me far less likely to buy that bundle if it's not in my "main" game.  Because I don't have nifty new aircraft in my hangers to play with, it also significantly reduces the draw to return here in trade off to wasting WOWS time that might be on that account. 

 

I think this actually creates an unintended disincentive for players on multiple WG platforms to come and play here in WOWPs which is the platform that needs traffic directed to it more than any other. 

 

Not sure if anything can be done about it, but just thought I'd mention it anyway. 

 

 

 



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 I think this actually creates an unintended disincentive for players on multiple WG platforms to come and play here in WOWPs which is the platform that needs traffic directed to it more than any other. 

 Yep, its a disapponting retrograde step from WG.

There isn't a good excuse for it at all.


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View PostBB3_Oregon_Steel, on 22 May 2019 - 06:13 PM, said:

I just thought I'd share this observation. 

 

WOWPs is my secondary game with WOWS being my main.  One of the neat things that got me coming back here were the low tier airplane/tank/ship bundles with Premium time. I love new stuffs, it wasn't very expensive and I'd end up with a new toy to play with and Premium time I could use anywhere. 

 

This made it attractive to me to not simply concentrate on WOWS but also to dip into WOWPs to play a bit because no matter where I went, my premium time wasn't being wasted.  

 

The introduction first of WOWS specific premium time and now WOTS specific premium time has put a stop to all of that. 

 

Premium Time types don't "stack".  For example, lets say I have 30 days of WOWS Premium time and I buy a bundle for planes that has 15 days of normal Premium time.  That normal Premium Time I bought in the airplane bundle does not "stack" on top of the 30 days of WOWS Premium Time I already have there.  Further, If I buy a bundle in either WOTs or WOWS, any premium time in the bundle is going to be specific to that game only. The option to buy those bundles including normal Premium Time do not exist. 

 

So what does that mean to me and my spending habits. 

 

1) Bundles with Premium Time in either WOWPs or WOTs are no longer all that attractive. The only way to get value out of them is to drop WOWS for the time span the Premium Time is active (which, if I have WOWS Premium Time as well, means either I waste it, or the new time I just bought in the bundle). 

2) Because the Premium Time in these bundles is no longer as useful, the value of the bundle to me decreases and makes me far less likely to buy that bundle if it's not in my "main" game.  Because I don't have nifty new aircraft in my hangers to play with, it also significantly reduces the draw to return here in trade off to wasting WOWS time that might be on that account. 

 

I think this actually creates an unintended disincentive for players on multiple WG platforms to come and play here in WOWPs which is the platform that needs traffic directed to it more than any other. 

 

Not sure if anything can be done about it, but just thought I'd mention it anyway. 

 

 

 

 

That's why I stopped playing WoWS again to be honest.
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What was it I said in another thread.

Something like, WG is shooting themselves in the foot not catering to casual players.

Granted I only play WOWP with out buying premium time.

If I played all 3 games I would be very irritated to the point of not playing any of them.

 

I understand the need for a company to make money but you actually lose more when you do not cater to your consumers.

Not saying the customer is always right, that is a [edited]statement and way for a customer to justify bad behavior.

Then again not taking a player base into consideration is just as bad.

 

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The only thing left is the puzzled look on hardcore players faces.

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This has nothing to do with casual vs. hardcore as it is an effect on -all- players regardless of status. No need to be petty or divisive and carry over arguments from other threads when there's no argument here either.

Edited to Add: Besides, if WoWS was still overlapping premium time like it was you might not have to deal with me and my opposition so much, I'd think you'd cheer that as a concept and it would upset you that they made us stuck here together ;) 

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View PostBB3_Oregon_Steel, on 22 May 2019 - 07:13 PM, said:

I just thought I'd share this observation. 

 

WOWPs is my secondary game with WOWS being my main.  One of the neat things that got me coming back here were the low tier airplane/tank/ship bundles with Premium time. I love new stuffs, it wasn't very expensive and I'd end up with a new toy to play with and Premium time I could use anywhere. 

 

This made it attractive to me to not simply concentrate on WOWS but also to dip into WOWPs to play a bit because no matter where I went, my premium time wasn't being wasted.  

 

The introduction first of WOWS specific premium time and now WOTS specific premium time has put a stop to all of that. 

 

Premium Time types don't "stack".  For example, lets say I have 30 days of WOWS Premium time and I buy a bundle for planes that has 15 days of normal Premium time.  That normal Premium Time I bought in the airplane bundle does not "stack" on top of the 30 days of WOWS Premium Time I already have there.  Further, If I buy a bundle in either WOTs or WOWS, any premium time in the bundle is going to be specific to that game only. The option to buy those bundles including normal Premium Time do not exist. 

 

So what does that mean to me and my spending habits. 

 

1) Bundles with Premium Time in either WOWPs or WOTs are no longer all that attractive. The only way to get value out of them is to drop WOWS for the time span the Premium Time is active (which, if I have WOWS Premium Time as well, means either I waste it, or the new time I just bought in the bundle). 

2) Because the Premium Time in these bundles is no longer as useful, the value of the bundle to me decreases and makes me far less likely to buy that bundle if it's not in my "main" game.  Because I don't have nifty new aircraft in my hangers to play with, it also significantly reduces the draw to return here in trade off to wasting WOWS time that might be on that account. 

 

I think this actually creates an unintended disincentive for players on multiple WG platforms to come and play here in WOWPs which is the platform that needs traffic directed to it more than any other. 

 

Not sure if anything can be done about it, but just thought I'd mention it anyway. 

 

 

 

 

I only play WoWP but you make a good argument.  We miss seeing more of you.

 

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But you can still earn or buy regular premium time that applies to all three titles. I never get game specific time and when it is a reward for a mission in a specific game it is only for a day or so.

 

However, I agree with your point that game-specific premium time should stop elapsing when you have regular premium time and decrease the bonuses accordingly (or at least give the players the option to freeze their WoT or WoWS premium time while spending regular premium time).

 

Blindfold, is that a suggestion that can be sent upstream? Obviously it is not just for the devs since it also has financial implications for WG.

 

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View PostWhite_Widow18, on 22 May 2019 - 08:01 PM, said:

This has nothing to do with casual vs. hardcore as it is an effect on -all- players regardless of status. No need to be petty or divisive and carry over arguments from other threads when there's no argument here either.

Edited to Add: Besides, if WoWS was still overlapping premium time like it was you might not have to deal with me and my opposition so much, I'd think you'd cheer that as a concept and it would upset you that they made us stuck here together ;) 

 

OK I fixed my post to make you happy.

I actually would not care nor notice one way or the other.

Sort of like my ex-wife who I have ignored every attempt to contact me in the past 3 years.



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View Posthoom, on 22 May 2019 - 07:32 PM, said:

 Yep, its a disapponting retrograde step from WG.

There isn't a good excuse for it at all.

 

Look at it from a business stand-point.  WG may be thinking "Why give away free premium in two of our three main titles just because a player buys premium in the third?  Make them pay for premium in ALL titles!"

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View PostGeisterKatze, on 23 May 2019 - 05:46 AM, said:

 

Look at it from a business stand-point.  WG may be thinking "Why give away free premium in two of our three main titles just because a player buys premium in the third?  Make them pay for premium in ALL titles!"

 

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I think the separation of premium time is a business decision to separate revenue streams for each game. If I had to venture a guess, I’d say WoWP just doesn’t have the development power to revamp the system so they’re leaving the ‘old’ premium system in place because the other two games already have their own systems. They don’t expect people in Warplanes to go over to Tanks or Ships enough to make a difference in their revenue streams so this (leaving standard premium time in Warplanes) is the most economical decision for them as they don’t have to spend the development time on a new premium system for WoWP.

 

 

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View PostSilvin, on 22 May 2019 - 09:47 PM, said:

But you can still earn or buy regular premium time that applies to all three titles. I never get game specific time and when it is a reward for a mission in a specific game it is only for a day or so.

 

However, I agree with your point that game-specific premium time should stop elapsing when you have regular premium time and decrease the bonuses accordingly (or at least give the players the option to freeze their WoT or WoWS premium time while spending regular premium time).

 

Blindfold, is that a suggestion that can be sent upstream? Obviously it is not just for the devs since it also has financial implications for WG.

 

Thanks!

 

Yes, you can buy old fashioned Premium time, however, if you are awarded Premium Time in World of Tanks or World of Warship it will always be WOT Premium or WOWS Premium Time.  If you buy a bundle, which I like to do, in WOT or WOWS any premium time attached to that bundle is going to be WOT or WOWS Premium Time. 

 

The only game that now bundles with regular WG Premium Time is WOWP's

 

The only time it makes sense now to go with regular Premium Time is if ... 

1) You have no game specific WOT or WOWS time in those respective games. 

2) There is a special deal either for heavily discounted WG Premium time (which they do not do) or a attractive bundle with WG Premium Time attached (which will only happen in WOWPs). 

 

For me, I have about 290 days of WOWS Premium time so really none of the Premium Time offers for either WOWPs or WOT's are going to have much interest for me until that time runs out.  



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 WG may be thinking "Why give away free premium in two of our three main titles just because a player buys premium in the third?  Make them pay for premium in ALL titles!"

 Oh I realise its that logic certainly.

But its not a good excuse to make such a retrograde move relative to player experience.


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I haven't played tanks in months.  The last time I played, I did OK, but people were still griping about play.  Tanks can be really fun if you are playing with a good group, but it can be a serious drag when you're playing with salty losers.

 

At least in WoWP, folks are mostly nice.  Heck, even the saltiest b@st@rds on the forums are nice when in flight.  But not having money and premium time carry over would keep me from playing tanks ever again.  I make gobs of money in WP, and would probably spend it in Tanks.  But if they separate out all the experience and money, why bother playing across the WG line-up?  If I could, I might actually spend more time, overall, gaming.  And that means for WG, overall, more money.

 

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First the doubloons and then wows premium, what's next? WoT gold???

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View PostCaptain_Underpants53, on 22 May 2019 - 06:19 PM, said:

 

I only play WoWP but you make a good argument.  We miss seeing more of you.

 

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View PostHoujuuNue, on 25 May 2019 - 10:14 PM, said:

First the doubloons and then wows premium, what's next? WoT gold???

 

They already have that. 

 

The point is that game specific Premium Time can cause harm to WOWPs since the Premium Time bought in WOT or WOWS can't be used with WOWPs.  This makes it less advantageous to multi-platform players such as myself than normal WG premium.  So why not just buy normal WG Premium? 

 

Well I'm a little cost conscious so I'm looking for a deal, something that provides me with more benefit than I would ordinarily receive.  Is the price discounted, are there valuable benefits bundled with Premium Time that make it more attractive, those sort of things.  As I said earlier, I would tend to go for Premium Time bundled with a low tier plane, tank or ship. 

 

While normal WG Premium Time is purchaseable, it is never offered at a discount or as a part of any attractive bundle.  If one is going to purchase WG Premium Time, it must be bought at it's full undiscounted cost.  

 

Worse, WG Premium Time doesn't "stack" with any other type of Premium Time.  For example, if I have 40 days of WOWS Premium Time and I buy 30 days of normal WG Premium Time, the WG Premium Time does not get added to my total to give me 40 days of WOWS Premium Time and an additional 30 days of WG Premium Time.  The WOWS Premium Time cancels out the WG Premium Time as far as WOWS is concerned.  As such, the 30 days of WG Premium Time can now only be used in WOWPs or WOTs (provided that I don't have any WOT's Premium Time). 

 

Sure you can argue that this is a great economic decision by WG, but to be honest, that's a hard argument to make.  The cost of WOWS or WOTs Premium Time is no more than the same amount of WG Premium Time.  People who stick to one game platform aren't going to be seriously incentivized to purchase more game specific time than they would have purchased WG premium time had not WOWS Premium Time existed.  The need to buy Premium Time remains the same as do the pool of players who would be motivated to buy it. 

 

What it does do is make it less attractive to play other platforms outside of a players "main" platform.  If I have WOWS Premium Time, there's always the thought in the back of your head that playing on one of the other platforms is wasting the WOWS Premium Time by playing either WOTs or WOWPs so that will tend to channel a players efforts to the game where they have existing Premium Time. 

 

You also disincentive players who might be willing to buy bundles with Premium Time in one platform to use in one or more of the other platforms. That incentive has now been largely eliminated as have the sales WG may have garnered from such players, hence a reduction in sales. 

 

The only way this actually works in WG favor economically is if there are multiplatform players who are willing to buy WOTs Premium Time (for Tanks), WOWS Premium Time (for ships) and WG Premium Time (for planes).  If you have a lot of those then yes, it makes sense economically.  The question is, how many players of this type are out there and are they enough to create more profit than is lost.  

 

On the other hand, however you slice this, it's bad for WOWPs.  However small, the previous setup of Premium Time provided an incentive to play multiple platforms since none of the Premium Time would be "wasted" by doing so. Bundles for one game with Premium could be used across all platforms so I could buy a T2 Tank with 30 days of Premium Time bundled with the idea that I would use most of it for WOWS, however I now have a bring shiny new tank sitting in WOT's which would draw me back to that game to have fun getting a bit of use out of it.  The same thing happened with planes. 

 

That is now largely gone which shuts off one more stream of incoming players to a game that desperately needs as many new players as it can find. 

 

Is this a problem for me in particular, not a great deal.  I can do the analysis and I know where my premium time and the advantages it brings are.  If I feel the need to fly a plane every now and then, WOWPs is still here but because of the way Premium Time is now structured, it's far more advantageous for me to be sailing ships rather than driving tanks or flying planes. 

 

I'm not sure that works in WG's best interests, it may but I don't have the data to make that analysis.  On the other hand, it's clear this is not a good deal for WOWPs and I care enough about the game that I thought it should be mentioned. 


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View PostBB3_Oregon_Steel, on 28 May 2019 - 04:39 PM, said:

While normal WG Premium Time is purchaseable, it is never offered at a discount or as a part of any attractive bundle.  If one is going to purchase WG Premium Time, it must be bought at it's full undiscounted cost.  

 

Premium time used to be offered at discounts.  Last time I purchased with real $ was this November 2016 Wot deal.

 

http://forum.worldofwarplanes.com/index.php?/topic/47461-360-days-of-premium-52-off/

 

On a positive note though, with planes, you can grind the credits to trade for 30 day premium.  So in a round about way they incentivize playing here if you want to share it with your wows/wot game time.  Same with hangar space.  Wot/wows doesn’t have this feature.

 

 

 

 

I think that’s enough praise for WG.  Before they remove these features...


 

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At the launch of the new game specific premium time any premium time I had was mirrored as game specific time. WG won't put premium time on hold nor can they afford to give up potential income by essentially doubling previously bought premium time.

What would be nice is if game specific time also added to the non-game specific time on any new game time purchased.

The long short of it is WG is backing out of the premium time for all route that they took years ago.




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